Manichean Heresy in Balkans

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Recently I stumbled across this really bogus site which propagates idea that yugoslavia is being depopulated in order to became a place for resettlement of 12 milion space aliens.

Draco presence in Yugoslavia

I later questioned a close friend who had a high level
security clearance. "What can you tell me about the 12
million aliens who are scheduled to land in Yugoslavia?"

"How did you find out about that?" he asked. I told him I
had run across it at Langley. "How are you going to place
12 million aliens in a country and not have anyone find out
about them?" I queried.

"We're in the planning on that right now. Yugoslavia can
be "ethnically cleansed". All we have to do is whip up a
war between old enemies, and they will depopulate the area
for us." He laughed and walked away.
But I didnt want to talk about wierd cosnpiracy theories based on wild assumptions and random association. This silly site has prompted me on a little journey through
the recorded history of my now lost home country.
Very soon it has become obvious that this region indeed was a subject to constant depopulation through wars, unimaginable artrocities and blodshed sinc ancient time- this string ending in the NATO bombings of Serbia in 1999.
But there was one stop on this journey that deserves attention.

During middle ages - while the rest of Europe was engulfed with darkeness in the very heart of South Slavic teritories - flourished the bastion of free thought.
The ideas of Mani have found many followers across all over Europe of those times.
In France they were known as Cathars, in Italy as Albigens and Patarens.
One branch of Bulgarian Bogumils reached westward and found a feritle ground on the teritory which now belongs mostly to Bosnia and Dalmacia.
This heresy flourished amongst stubborn south slavs for centuries and after many attempts Vatican finaly managed to remove this thorn from its sight .

The culmination was reached when Bosnian ruler Kulin Ban and his wife converted to bogumilism. Their medival kingdoom soon became meca for all their heretical brothers and sister from all over Europe. Refugees who managed to escape vatican death squads were pouring into Bosnia.
Vatican's inquisition was sistematicaly trying to eradicate this heresy from the face of medieval Europe but the final blow came from the east hundred years later when most of the balkans was invaded by Otoman Empire.

Little is known about everyday life of bosnian bogumil state. There are very few written records and other material evidence.
It seems that bogumils didnt care much for material culture.

The only trace they left behind are engraved stones also known as Stechci which are now scattered all over balkan woods and medows, somwhat surreal evidence of lost time. They look like hudge srchopags and burial chambers but only occasionaly human remains were found in them. In most of the cases they are empty. Their surface richly reliefd with various motives.

Croatian writer Miroslav Krleza wrote the following about these unusual monuments

The Bogumil's stones and marbles are bizzare monuments of dark, instincitve art. They stand before us like a metheorite fallen from distant and unknown asian and skytian worlds. The mystic circles, cities, horse riders, vegetation ornaments, fantasmogorical hands preaching about five - to us unknown principles, all of this is coordinated with internal rythm of strange laws.(1942)

Bogumils art is not the imitation of nature. Unhampered by convention the contoures of these reliefs display refined play of light, soft as the walk of a roe-doe. These horse riders , lit by the moon seem dematerialised as if apparitions of silent and long forgoten dream. They give us the feeling of standing upon remains of sunken Atlantis which is speaking to us through the myst of mysterious experiences today unknown. These sculptures open the space from Karpatian mountains all the way to Caucasus and Persia. Disturbing details of almost postimpresionistic quality, rich partiture breaming with lyricism, this compendium of knowledge and moral conscience, all of it is proof of unusualy high artistic potential. These artists surely were not copy cats of artistic codexes of their time.(1952)

In this art there is no single human figure kneeling in prayer, intimidated by death or fear, no single figure humbled by byzantine or roman gods and their emisaries (1954)
Inscription on the Stechak found near town Stoci - Bosnia
"Nek ti ova ruka bude znak da se zamislis nad svojim rukama"
"May this hand be a wake up call for you to ponder over your own hands "

The relief depicts strange looking hand

It is extremely difficult to find electronic images of bogumile art but as soon as I manage to find some decent images I will post them here.
 
hi,

some photos of stechci can be found at this URL:

http://www.pogranicze.sejny.pl/?s=tryptyk&a=GALERIE-podroze%20[St.Most-Stolac]&e=GALERIA

(site is in Polish)
 
The link is not working properly, I only managed to find this image
stecakxj7.jpg


also these I found elswhere
logophpkz9.jpg



stecakdnekr8.jpg
 
I am sorry...it's a little off topic, but I had to post this link fro the site you've provided.
http://www(dot)wiolawapress.com/amcnaught.htm

:D
 
:shock: I said it was bogus

But you are right it is off topic, lets not give it more attention ;)
 
Ah, Wiolawa... that strange person who used to hang out with Lyssa Royal and Drunvalo and Dan Winter and Vincent Bridges...

Not sure if it is a man or woman, but even though much of the material is just plain whacked out, I think this is one who perceives a bit of light, and then the demons rush in to obscure it. Now and again you can perceive that flash of light.
 
Deckard,

the site seems to use cookies or POST data extensively; that's why direct links don't work. you can try to get to the photos by yourself. luckily, there is an english version of the site. go to http://www.pogranicze.sejny.pl/?s=flash&lang=eng and open 'Old Bridge' link (it's in the middle of the page, below the 'Bosnian Triptych' image). then go to the bottom of the newly opened page, to the 'Journeys' section, and click 'Stolac'. this should lead you to the gallery. unfortunately, i wasn't able to view pictures in full size :-(.
 
http://www.bosnia-underground.com/bh/simbolika.htm
Here you can find excerpts from book ""SIMBOLI NA STEĆCIMA – RIJEČI SVETOG JEZIKA" (symbols on stechci- words of holly language) by Jasminko Mulaomerovic . In this book, author made very wide and non-linear research and connected that symbols with a lot of similar ones in ancient civilizations all over the world indirectly pointed on multidimensional nature of symbols:
Art of symbols on stechci is part of language of holly tradition. That language is equally understandable to Irish Monah, South French Cathar, North Italian Albigense, Bogomil, Babun, Sinay Hermit, Sufi, Siberian Shaman,Templar, Aborigine or NorthAmerican Indian. Therefore, any attempt of understanding symbolism of art on stechci isn't possible without knowing similar or same symbolism on numerous other holly monuments.
Our story is one of possible answers about that what's hidden. The truth is in One.
...
Symbolic of stechak is deep, unique and coherent language whose meaning escape from us for the simple reason we are far away from a real faith and ourselves as God signs, and at the end far away from nature whose human doesn't belong anymore.
...
Meaning of that ornaments ... a long time ago escaped from our understanding who entirely became just and only rational.
...
Thus, only couple hundred years ago, you could meet herdsmen which entailed crumbs of ancient wisdom inwroughted in stories presented on rough stone surface of stechak. Their words are evidenced : „There are one good god and one bad god; priest down in village doesn't know that; but we know that.“
...
Sorry on possible bad translation, I gave my best.

It will be continued
 
There is nothing wrong with your translations. This is an interesting link.

I found the bit about the Moon interesting because it seems that Manicheans after all didn't really grasp the universal truths, at least to the full extent. That is if we accept that Gurdjijeff was right in his cosmology.
Here is the relevant bit:
According to Bar-Honi, Mani claimed Moon to be the vessel of the light. Cypriot episcopate Epifanius confirms this in his dispute against 80 heresies where he says: "Manes classifies Sun, Moon and the stars as wise lights. He claims they pull the souls of those who died on earth. Lesser vessel- the Moon charges during 15 days until the Full moon and then during following 15 days transfers the charge to the larger vessel - the Sun. The Sun carries them to eternal life, to the blessed realm; so they (Epifanius is referring to manicheans ) claim that souls are being transferred by the Sun and the Moon being purged to be worthy of such journey"

although some elements ring similar to G. theories its very far from the food for the moon theory. Or so I understand it.
 
I think that Gurdjieff's use of the "moon metaphor" was a veil for discussing hyperdimensional realities. Maybe he didn't know that, maybe he did. So, "food for the moon" doesn't invalidate the metaphor of Mani which seems to describe something else.

On the other hand, I'm open to the idea that Mani was all messed up too!
 
Actually that was my impression too as I was reading further through this site, although you never know is he to blame or his interpreters.
 
I wouldn't take Gurdjeff too literally too. What kind of energy use moon from us? body and soul certainly not. Probably some kind of etherical energy from etheric body, the some one Castaneda was trying to keep alive and the one which probably doesn't die immediately after death of physical body. Bosnian Krstjani (word derived from Christ but it's not Christians) like all other Mani were interested in soul and not etherical body and therefore different concept of moon. But it's whole different subject.
Upper author made interesting observation pointing on multidimensional nature of symbols , but it's only his interpretation too and as he himself says one possible way seeing things, not whole truth about thing.
It's hard to make any generalization and easy assumptions with jump to conclusions here (as anywhere else too). Connecting directly Mani and Bogomils with Bosnian Krstjani and Bosnian Krstjani with stechak, and all that considering through prism of Gurdjeff won't help us much to approach knowledge and to reveal the veil of mystery understanding one step further that unique phenomen.
Is stechak something all Manis had done ? Are all stechak with gnostic contents or symbols ? No , and no. That is much more complicated than that. There are even theories that stechci is something remained from Celts who were in certain historical period in the same area of Balkan where they appeared. It's possible that local people just took over them in a fashion way putting on them their own views, fears, hope, dreams.... which change during history and some even include official Catholic or Orthodox symbols and texts.
Regardless symbols, we can focus on text on stechci to find out more about whole thing.

Here lays Ljubljen in Vrhbosna born , buried on my own on noble property.
I was the one who stood on crossroads whole my life, hesitated, thought.
Was the one who asked himself how that sky was not aging and all the time gave us new seasons.
And in a room where I'd been was window, and behind window eternity. But I persistently looked down in floor.
And thought that with my death all should stop finally. But it was not, and my death was more and more old and more and more narrow.
My stone cut Drazeta and note wrote Husan not to show that I was but that I was not any more.
AD 1258.

Here lays Berko Miotos , on my own on noble property.
If you is going to destroy my landmark, do it, but keep your hands and arms. This stone is heavy for even move, and heavier for tumble.
His heaviness rub my bones.
If you want my bones move, do it freely , i forgive you and god forgives you, but don't kiss the daughter of Bakula.
My heart broke because of her.
If you kiss her, god kill you and experience my fate .
on July 1317. AD


.... cut heavy stone for stechak, the heaviest and the hardest Pribil my brother, so
eternity can be the measure and monument to my love.
But when put it on her grave, put it a little bit slope, because if she raise
to make her easier.
1201.


Here lays Hlapac Tihmilic.
And this stone I cut with my own hands that dead I can one long dream from life to dream for centuries.
Good bless those who will pass and damned those who will tumble.
1417, AD , on Jun

...

if the injustice is Gods will, then my fate is to be against God...
...

You, who read my stone maybe walked to stars, and came back because
there is nothing there but you yourself.
Man can see what hasn't seen before, hear what hasn't heard, taste
what hasn't tested, be where he hasn't been, but always and everywhere
just himself he can find or not find.
1094.
...

Messages contains all the things which fulfill the essence of human itself: love, fears, joy, pity, doubt. Stone stechak itself is often considered as connection, eyes between the worlds.
Messages are sometimes nihilistic, sometimes mystic, sometimes deep, philosophical and profound, sometimes ordinary, sometimes lyric. It's very rare that there are some direct religious meanings in them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ste%C4%87ci

As we can see on the link above inscriptions are not so often, even decorations. Texts leads us to conclusion that there in that time lived people with at least strange point of view (almost atheistic) for that period.
Q: (L) What is the basis of the Gnostic texts such as the apocryphon
of John?
A: Ancient atheists.
Decorations leads us in most cases more to Mani and there are in my opinion older than inscripted one and probably their inspiration .
Anyhow there are lot of mystery remains and story about Mani in Bosnia hasn't even started with this.

some pictures:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/9892/bhpopis.html
 
lamans said:
I wouldn't take Gurdjeff too literally too. What kind of energy use moon from us? body and soul certainly not. Probably some kind of etherical energy from etheric body, the some one Castaneda was trying to keep alive and the one which probably doesn't die immediately after death of physical body.


Hi lamans, you seem to have missed Laura's mention of the fact that Gurdjieff's use of the phrase 'food for the moon' is a metaphor - it is symbolic, and in that symbolism it is very, very true. Have you read Laura's Wave Series yet? If you had, you might better understand the use of the metaphor.


l said:
Connecting directly Mani and Bogomils with Bosnian Krstjani and Bosnian Krstjani with stechak, and all that considering through prism of Gurdjeff won't help us much to approach knowledge and to reveal the veil of mystery understanding one step further that unique phenomen.


Could you further explain your reasoning on this? Is it that you think the 'prism of Gurdjieff' is faulty, or just that you do not understand the material well enough to understand the application?
 
Anart, I just said that it's not applicable in this case, because moon is considered in two total different senses as Laura has already mentioned
So, "food for the moon" doesn't invalidate the metaphor of Mani which seems to describe something else.
 
lamans said:
Anart, I just said that it's not applicable in this case, because moon is considered in two total different senses as Laura has already mentioned
So, "food for the moon" doesn't invalidate the metaphor of Mani which seems to describe something else.

Okay, did you understand that no one here took Gurdjieff literally on this point in the first place? Your initial sentence seemed to indicate that you missed that - that it was metaphorical.
 
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