Map for Multiplication

emitflesti

The Force is Strong With This One
Hopefully this can help people in the forum
http://pholx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/grethersspiral.jpg


Thoughts and comments
 
Hi emitflesti,

Interesting little exercise indeed. The choice of the base 12 is interesting because 12 is divisible by 2,3,4, and 6 (while 10 is only divisible by 2 and 5, that's why many people use the base 12 for every day calculations).
In any such an arrangement, the multiplication table of a number will draw a spiral because one adds the same number as one rotates around the clock. In the case of this 12-based arrangement, multiplication tables for 2, 3, 4, and 6 form simple pattern because they divide 12. For example, when one adds 4 three times, it comes back to the same spot, hence the triangle for the multiples of 4, and so forth.
Because they do not divide 12, the multiplication tables of 5, 7, and 11 form spirals.
This is a very interesting way to visualize numbers.

If we eliminate the multiples of 4 (blue sectors), of 3 (yellow sectors), and 2 (purple), where we know no prime number can be found, we are left with the red sectors whom equations can be written 12*n+m, where m=1,5,7, or 11, according to the red sector of interest. Numbers in these red sectors do not divide by 2, 3, 6, 12, but in order to be primes, they should also not divide by 5, 7, 11, etc. and these are the exceptions the author of the spiral is talking about.
The problem is, the biggest the number is, the more exceptions are to be checked for.
For example, if we consider the first red sector 12*n+1, which gives 13 25 37 49 61 73 85 97 109 121 133 145 157 169 181 etc. We remove the exceptions of those numbers of this series that divide by 5,7,11,13, we still have numbers in that sector like 289 493 697 901 etc. that can be divided by 17. We then add a new exception with the multiples of 17, and still have numbers that divide by 19, etc. The biggest the series, the more exceptions (spirals=multiplication of smaller prime numbers) and the process is infinite.

So the representation is very interesting, maybe even more so than the Ulam spiral and variations, it still doesn't predict prime numbers in a finite way. OSIT
 
mkrnhr said:
So the representation is very interesting, maybe even more so than the Ulam spiral and variations, it still doesn't predict prime numbers in a finite way. OSIT

Hi mkrnhr!
Thanks for replying and discussing. That was very informative.

That was my original intention of my very first post here to the Forum.
(I'm not sure if you've read "Test - Introduction from Emit Flesti", but it seems more people were commenting on me rather than on the diagram)

But correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought there's is no way to predict prime numbers at all.
I believe that's what the underlying mechanism of how the Internet is able to secure and encrypt messages with Prime Numbers.
I've got to do some more digging, but I thought that cryptographic hash functions somehow use Prime Numbers.
 
I want to point out that this graph isn't necessarily a visualization of the behaviors of the numbers themselves, but more like a visualization of the numbers' relationship to the number 12. The patterns would change if it were a 9-point spiral or a 15-point spiral. Some numbers would still have similar patterns. I think we learn more about the number 12 in this diagram than we learn about any other number. I'd like to see the spirals for each number, maybe even an animation with the number of points in the spiral smoothly increasing.
 
emitflesti said:
But correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought there's is no way to predict prime numbers at all.
I believe that's what the underlying mechanism of how the Internet is able to secure and encrypt messages with Prime Numbers.
I've got to do some more digging, but I thought that cryptographic hash functions somehow use Prime Numbers.

You're not mistaken, there is no general formula so far that gives the prime numbers although we know that they are somehow irregular in the absolute but with a certain regularity in their distribution. The factorization of the multiplication of two big prime numbers is very difficult, which is the base of the so-called RSA encryption, but that could perhaps change if quantum computers become a reality.

As a side note, the 12-base graph above is not a spiral, it's made of concentric rings with the same length (12 numbers) each. One can have fun drawing similar graphs (pencil and paper) in other bases and see the patterns of multiplications. For example, in base 10 one can expect to obtain a pentagon with the multiples of 2 and funky spirals with other multiplications, and so on.
 
monotonic said:
I want to point out that this graph isn't necessarily a visualization of the behaviors of the numbers themselves, but more like a visualization of the numbers' relationship to the number 12. The patterns would change if it were a 9-point spiral or a 15-point spiral. Some numbers would still have similar patterns. I think we learn more about the number 12 in this diagram than we learn about any other number. I'd like to see the spirals for each number, maybe even an animation with the number of points in the spiral smoothly increasing.

Hi monotonic! Thanks for commenting.
I just thought of something that I wanted to share.

I've been reading "Georgi Ivanovitch Gurdjieff: The Man, the Teaching, His Mission", by William Patrick Patterson.
Gurdjieff used a 9-pointed spiral, the Ennagram" in his school
Link to an Ennagram
https://runningfather.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/enneagram-of-intersections.jpg

I'm going to try to find some computer program out there that can change the spirals with different numbers and keep you updated
Please let me know as well if you happen to stumble across any computer programs that can simulate different spirals
 
mkrnhr said:
As a side note, the 12-base graph above is not a spiral, it's made of concentric rings with the same length (12 numbers) each. One can have fun drawing similar graphs (pencil and paper) in other bases and see the patterns of multiplications. For example, in base 10 one can expect to obtain a pentagon with the multiples of 2 and funky spirals with other multiplications, and so on.

Hi mkrnhr!
Sounds like you are a heavy-hitter when it comes to mathematics.
How good are your math skills?
If so, I was wondering how comfortable you are with using the Laplace transform to convert for the time domain to the s domain
(I've taken Calculus I and II, but am I little rusty. Maybe I should start brushing up again.)

Another question for you.
I've noticed the picture in your profile, but I'm having trouble deciphering it.
Is that a picture of the Fool in a Tarot Deck?
Or this that a picture from a deck of playing cards?

The reason why I'm asking is because I remember somebody telling me a long time ago that playing cards is suppose to represent 52 weeks in a year.
With 52 cards in a deck and 4 suits, that leaves 13 cards in each suit.

I wonder how 13-base graph spiral would look like instead of a 12.

Side note:
I whole reason I started on my path and journey was because of what I saw on Friday the 13th.
 
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