Marilyn Monroe

[Iconoclast]

i'm reading the unedited versions of the transcripts at the moment and i just found this:

941023

Q: (L) Did Marilyn Monroe commit suicide?
A: No.
Q: (L) Was she murdered?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was she murdered because of her connection with JFK?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What did she know that made them want to murder her?
A: A lot.

since i know quite little about her, i checked out her imdb page.
there i found this:

A 1982 review into the original inquest of Marilyn's death, conducted on her 20- year anniversary, concluded that the actress committed suicide or accidentally overdosed, and was not murdered--rumors that were fueled by the sloppy handling of evidence, the delay in securing the scene and the disappearance of tissue samples.

gee, where have i heard this before?!

"Candle In The Wind", the Elton John song written about her, was lyrically changed to fit Princess Diana upon her death. Coincidentally, both legends died at age 36.

what a 'coincidence'...

more oddities:

In 1972, actress Veronica Hamel and her husband became the new home owners of Marilyn's Brentwood home. They hired a contractor to replace the roof and remodel the house until the contractor discovered a sophisticated eavesdropping and telephone tapping system that covered every room in the house. The components were not commercially available in 1962, but were in the words of a retired Justice department official, "standard FBI issue." This discovery had lent further support to claims of conspiracy theorists that Marilyn had been under surveillance by the Kennedys and the Mafia. The new owners spent $100,000 to remove the bugging devices in the house.

Her real father was Charles Stanley Gifford. From his side, she was, ironically, descended from the celebrated Puritan preacher and pioneer and Founder of Rhode Island and pioneer of The Bronx Anne Marbury - Hutchinson, from whom she is still related to First Lady Lucretia Rudolph and to Presidents William Howard Taft, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, George Herbert Walker Bush and George Walker Bush, as well as to the Governor Robert Alphonso "Bob" Taft II, Senator Stephen Arnold Douglas and Shanghai Pearce.

just thought i'd share that...

 

[Approaching Infinity]

From Cassiopedia:

Connections with Israel

By his own admission, Cohen was involved in trafficking arms to Israel through such terrorist groups as Haganah and Irgun, led by future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. According to Wean, a detective sergeant for the Los Angeles Police Deptartment and a Criminal Intelligence Investigator for the LA District Attorney's Bureau of Investigation, while under surveillance Cohen was seen conversing with Jack Ruby, killer of Lee Harvey Oswald, with whom he shared the same attorney, Melvin Belli. Cohen was repeatedly observed speaking with Begin about JFK's negative attitude towards Israel and Israeli interests.

Possible Involvement in the Murder of Marilyn Monroe

As noted by John Davis, Cohen had a history of sexually compromising Hollywood stars for the purpose of blackmail. Wean revealed that Cohen's acquaintance and Ratpack member Joey Bishop hooked up Monroe with John F. Kennedy. Through his pimp, Georgie Piscitelli, Cohen manipulated Monroe to procure information on Kennedy's thoughts on Israel. After Mary Mercandante, one of Piscitelli's prostitutes, threatened to publicly reveal what she knew of the situation [which she had already revealed to investigators], she was murdered. Michael Collins Piper hypothesizes that Monroe was murdered because Cohen's blackmail would lead investigation of the future murder of John Kennedy in the direction of the Meyer Lansky crime syndicate and its connections with the Israeli Mossad.

 

[Finduilas495]

i'm reading the unedited versions of the transcripts at the moment and i just found this:

941023

Q: (L) Did Marilyn Monroe commit suicide?
A: No.
Q: (L) Was she murdered?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was she murdered because of her connection with JFK?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What did she know that made them want to murder her?
A: A lot.

since i know quite little about her, i checked out her imdb page.
there i found this:

A 1982 review into the original inquest of Marilyn's death, conducted on her 20- year anniversary, concluded that the actress committed suicide or accidentally overdosed, and was not murdered--rumors that were fueled by the sloppy handling of evidence, the delay in securing the scene and the disappearance of tissue samples.

gee, where have i heard this before?!

"Candle In The Wind", the Elton John song written about her, was lyrically changed to fit Princess Diana upon her death. Coincidentally, both legends died at age 36.

what a 'coincidence'...

more oddities:

In 1972, actress Veronica Hamel and her husband became the new home owners of Marilyn's Brentwood home. They hired a contractor to replace the roof and remodel the house until the contractor discovered a sophisticated eavesdropping and telephone tapping system that covered every room in the house. The components were not commercially available in 1962, but were in the words of a retired Justice department official, "standard FBI issue." This discovery had lent further support to claims of conspiracy theorists that Marilyn had been under surveillance by the Kennedys and the Mafia. The new owners spent $100,000 to remove the bugging devices in the house.

Her real father was Charles Stanley Gifford. From his side, she was, ironically, descended from the celebrated Puritan preacher and pioneer and Founder of Rhode Island and pioneer of The Bronx Anne Marbury - Hutchinson, from whom she is still related to First Lady Lucretia Rudolph and to Presidents William Howard Taft, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, George Herbert Walker Bush and George Walker Bush, as well as to the Governor Robert Alphonso "Bob" Taft II, Senator Stephen Arnold Douglas and Shanghai Pearce.

just thought i'd share that...

I started re-reading the Wave this morning, and came across the passage about the death of Diana Spencer. I read the German Wikipedia article about her and found the following:

Außerdem war Diana mit acht verschiedenen US-Präsidenten verwandt, darunter George Washington und Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Translation: Furthermore, Diana was related to eight different US presidents, amongst them George Washington and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Another coincidence?

It's also quite interesting that this information is only to be found in the German Wikipedia, the English Wikipedia article is distinctly lacking that information.

In another thread, Laura raised the following question:

There is also the idea to consider that any comet in the solar system can have some kinds of effects on all the bodies of said system via a "disturbance of the force." If a comet is an electrically charged body (which it very well may be), it can have interactions that are not visible, but are only "felt." Maybe that's why comets were always seen as harbingers of evil things. Maybe that was an observation? We certainly notice that Hale-Bopp, aside from starting a frenzy of wild speculation and being indirectly responsible for the deaths of the Heaven's Gate groupies, preceded some very unusual weather in Europe including what was called in Poland "The Flood of the Millennium." It also presaged the death of Princess Diana and Mother Theresa. I'm wondering now, considering how things have gone in the world since then, if Diana had to be gotten rid of because the plans against Iraq were already forming up and it was known that she would be publicly in opposition and they couldn't overcome her influence?

The thought crossed my mind that she was selected as a wife for Charles due to her lineage, but that her social commitment sort of got in the way of certain plans? And that after the lineage was continued, her personal mission wasn't tolerated anymore?

Also I found this session excerpt in Laura's article "Death of a princess":

Q: So, in other words, no matter what she did in trying to just
live her life, she would be hounded and criticized. Well, yes.
We see that. Very true. Was there any factor involved in her
death that might have been part of a conspiracy to destroy the
monarchy in Britain?
A: No. Diana had found her soul mate in Dodi Al Fayed and,
at another level, the soul level, they decided to leave together.
It was the only way out for them to have peace, and also it
gave the opportunity to millions of others to learn valuable
lessons.
Q: So, you are saying that, by choosing to die, Diana and
Dodi actually gave a gift to the world?
A: Service to Others. And the same with Mother Theresa.
The only significance of the proximity in terms of time was
that Mother Theresa, at the soul level, waited for the proper
timing so that others would notice what you have - the
significance of a life of service as well as the connections to
"other" upcoming there is!!

If this is true, it's a prime example of how STS brings about the exact thing they are trying to avoid the hardest. Or with the words of the C's, "Wishful thinking will get you every time".

It would certainly be interesting to connect a few more dots here.

 

[slowone]

What an interesting thread!

When I was young I was fascinated by Marilyn Monroe. I also had the pleasure of meeting Princess Diana when I worked at a museum and she opened the new Gallery. I and my friend were the only two young women in the line chosen to meet her and she came right up and spoke to us!!

As a result of meeting her this one brief time both the friend and I camped out all night in London to attend her funeral, standing just outside the Abbey. I will never forget the sound of the gun carriage pulling her coffin up to the Abbey. There was complete silence except for the sound of sobbing. It was one of the most moving things I have ever been present at.

 

[Ca.]

"The Misfits" would be Clark Gables, as well as Marylin Monroe's last movie on the silver screen, before there untimley passing. Like the movies, like life?

A Lesson in Film, 1 August 2003
Author: MGMboy from San Francisco


This once nearly forgotten movie, the last film of Clark Gable and Marilyn Monroe is now coming forward in the lexicon of film history as an underrated gem. Universally misunderstood for the most part at the time it came out it is clear now that this film was at least five of six years ahead of it's time. It fits in more comfortably with films of the late 60's and early 70's. The screenplay by Miller is one of his most striking works. A story of a group of people lost in the wide expanse of the West in search of the discarded souls of their misspent lives. The film's beautiful cinematography by Russell Metty stands out as superb artistry at the demise of the black and white era. It shimmers with the silver of the deep expanse of the desert and the flat grays and blacks of the distant mountains upon which the last act of the story plays. The music by Alex North is among his best work and gives a savage punch to the aerial scenes and the round up at the end of the wild mustangs. Montgomery Clift, by now sliding into the last years of his life is touching in his performance of Perce. His broken cowboy with the broken heart is almost painful to watch. His phone call home to his mother is among some of his best work. Eli Wallach gives a strong deeply moving portrait of Guido who has lost his wife, his way, and his humanity. He shines in his scene with Monroe where he asks her to save him. When she can't to at least say `Hello Guido'. Thelma Ritter is, well, Thelma Ritter in yet another of her excellent character roles. Ritter is the master of the one line wisecrack but here as Isobel she laces the cracks with an underlying sadness and vulnerability.

As Gay Langland, Clark Gable gives what I consider to be the best performance of his career. It was a brave move for Gable to take on the role of what on the surface seems another one of his typical macho made to fit parts. But as the story unfolds from Arthur Miller's pen Gay reveals that beneath his gruff, not a care in the world, cowboy is a man in deep pain and despair at his losses. The world has left him behind. Abandoned by his children the drunken Gable breaks so violently it is a shock to watch the great man fall. This is Clark Gable at his finest ever.

Marilyn Monroe gives an astounding performance as Roslyn Tabler the newly divorced dancer. A damaged woman who finds in the company of these three men something to finally believe in, something to stand up and fight for, she finds life. It is a performance ground out in part from her own person and experience and in part by the director John Huston and the editor George Tomasini who helped a nearly destroyed Monroe create her stunning Roslyn. This, her last performance is her best and the true example of the collaborative creation that film really is. That Marilyn under the circumstances of her life at that time could be so good is a testament to her talent as an actress and a star. Watch her when she is listening to the other actors. This is where she shines; this is the true mark of a great screen actor. To be able to listen and draw you into the inner life of the character through that deceptively simple act of listening and reaction is her gift to the audience. Her scene with Monty in back of the bar, sitting on a pile of trash, her afore mentioned scene with Eli Wallach in the speeding car. These are but a few of the examples in this film of her great talent. In the 1950's and early 60's there were only a handful of great young actresses in film, Elizabeth Taylor, and Marilyn Monroe where at the summit of the small mountain.

Marilyn Monroe-making the "Misfits"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbjcNdZFIQs&feature=related

 

[Finduilas495]

What an interesting thread!

When I was young I was fascinated by Marilyn Monroe. I also had the pleasure of meeting Princess Diana when I worked at a museum and she opened the new Gallery. I and my friend were the only two young women in the line chosen to meet her and she came right up and spoke to us!!

As a result of meeting her this one brief time both the friend and I camped out all night in London to attend her funeral, standing just outside the Abbey. I will never forget the sound of the gun carriage pulling her coffin up to the Abbey. There was complete silence except for the sound of sobbing. It was one of the most moving things I have ever been present at.

Same here, when I was little, "Gentlemen prefer blondes" was one of my favourite movies.

I was also very young when Princess Diana and Prince Charles got married, and I remember the fairy tale wedding on TV. I also remember thinking how beautiful she was and how utterly good she seemed.

So I think it's wonderful that you and your friend got to meet her in person.

When I saw parts of her funeral on TV, and I was bawling my eyes out... I had the feeling we all lost someone very precious. What especially got to me was seeing William and Harry grieving for their mother, and thinking nobody should lose a parent like that. At the same time it seemed like a continuation of the harassment Princess Diana went through, to see her sons being exposed like that in what must have been the worst time of their lives.

So even if her death was a gift to the world, it doesn't mean that it wasn't caused by the PTB and hopefully the truth will surface eventually.

 

[cholas]

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In 1972, actress Veronica Hamel and her husband became the new home owners of Marilyn's Brentwood home. They hired a contractor to replace the roof and remodel the house until the contractor discovered a sophisticated eavesdropping and telephone tapping system that covered every room in the house. The components were not commercially available in 1962, but were in the words of a retired Justice department official, "standard FBI issue." This discovery had lent further support to claims of conspiracy theorists that Marilyn had been under surveillance by the Kennedys and the Mafia. The new owners spent $100,000 to remove the bugging devices in the house.
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Her real father was Charles Stanley Gifford. From his side, she was, ironically, descended from the celebrated Puritan preacher and pioneer and Founder of Rhode Island and pioneer of The Bronx Anne Marbury - Hutchinson, from whom she is still related to First Lady Lucretia Rudolph and to Presidents William Howard Taft, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, George Herbert Walker Bush and George Walker Bush, as well as to the Governor Robert Alphonso "Bob" Taft II, Senator Stephen Arnold Douglas and Shanghai Pearce.

Very interesting find Iconoclast. I wonder how many others were/are under similar surveillance?

She was obviously very well connected.

 

[knowledge_of_self]

Marilyn Monroe has always been my favorite Hollywood Star. (still is)

I was actually thinking of starting a thread about her myself because recently I bought and began reading the book Fragments

I have to admit some parts of it are very hard to read and I've cried a bunch of times reading some of her poems. I recommend it to everyone who is a fan of her.

My favorite movie from her when I was a kid was "Some like it Hot". It's still one of my favorite movies :P
I also really enjoyed Gentleman Prefer Blondes when I was a kid. Love the songs in that movie.

 

[EGVG]

Marilyn Monroe has always been my favorite Hollywood Star. (still is)

I was actually thinking of starting a thread about her myself because recently I bought and began reading the book Fragments

I have to admit some parts of it are very hard to read and I've cried a bunch of times reading some of her poems. I recommend it to everyone who is a fan of her.

My favorite movie from her when I was a kid was "Some like it Hot". It's still one of my favorite movies :P
I also really enjoyed Gentleman Prefer Blondes when I was a kid. Love the songs in that movie.

Mine too, she was everything the public was expecting in a movie star. She was sexy, blonde, glamorous and had a secret...
OMG I will read "Fragments", I have never read anything about her, yet I've always love her look and contribution to the fashion and style world nowadays.

EDU