Marquis de Sade - a famous psychopath

[psychic_spy]

I was quite impressed by an article written by Douglas B. Lynott on Marquis de Sade which at the end presents him quite differently as an artist that deserves recognition. While reading this it came to my mind that the famous de Sade was clearly a psychopath who had no intention to illuminate humanity on profound issues. Are you familiar with his writings or his biography so that we can acknowledge him as a psychopath and not a man of genious? I find true talent and geniality quite contradictory to a highly disturbed personality even if psychopaths are clearly very intelligent..

Here's the site where you can read the article :

_http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/sade/index_1.html

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I'd say he was probably a psychopath. You'll probably want to read Hervey Cleckley's book A Caricature of Love, available from Red Pill Press, as it discusses de Sade and other 'geniuses' like him.

http://redpillpress.com/retail/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=84

Also, for a slightly related analysis, check out Steve Hodel's books on the Black Dahlia Avenger. He makes the case (in my mind) that the killer was a successful doctor, George Hodel (Steve's father), who moved around in a circle of similar 'artists', and was an admirer of de Sade.

 

[psychic_spy]

Wow, thanks a lot Approaching Infinity , i was looking forward to read more on the case of the Black Dahlia. And about Hervey Cleckley's books , i read only the Mask of Sanity 2 years ago. I'm so excited about it!

 

[loreta]

I really think he was a psychopath and a very, very mentally sick person. But he is studied in the University as a very important writer. I am unable to read him, he makes me vomit. One day I saw a very important program from France, about letters, APOSTROPHE, where the subject was Sade. In the program there was some other writers, one of them a woman, the rest men. This woman, a very important writer and also a feminist, Elisabeth Badinter, was the only one that was telling us that Sade was a crackpot. And the others writers attacked her, you can not imagine! But she was right: Sade was not only a sadistic man but a crazy one and a misogyny also. There is a very important movie and very controversial also made my the famous Pasolini, Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom where you can see a bit, even if the film talk also about fascism, the mentality of Sade... and it was not a very good mentality let me tell you. So for me, and I always say the same thing about the Marquis de Sade: he was a psychopath and a very bad one.

 

[Adaryn]

I read 1 book by Sade years ago, and was sick and feeling dirty for days after that - like you've been mentally raped or something.

 

[psychic_spy]

There is a very important movie and very controversial also made my the famous Pasolini, Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom where you can see a bit, even if the film talk also about fascism, the mentality of Sade... and it was not a very good mentality let me tell you. So for me, and I always say the same thing about the Marquis de Sade: he was a psychopath and a very bad one.

I know the movie and i saw bits of it but the last part was plain disgusting and i couldn't watch it, the parts where they eat excrements either. What a sick movie!
What bothers me more is those people who try to reabilitate Sade's image throughout literature and history, show him as if he's a victim of evil breeding not evil himself. They present his works in the light of delving in the recess of human psyche as if there's something worthy of respect there even if the author may have never intended to present the world anything but evil in order to purely shock and disgust.

 

[loreta]

There is a very important movie and very controversial also made my the famous Pasolini, Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom where you can see a bit, even if the film talk also about fascism, the mentality of Sade... and it was not a very good mentality let me tell you. So for me, and I always say the same thing about the Marquis de Sade: he was a psychopath and a very bad one.

I know the movie and i saw bits of it but the last part was plain disgusting and i couldn't watch it, the parts where they eat excrements either. What a sick movie!
What bothers me more is those people who try to reabilitate Sade's image throughout literature and history, show him as if he's a victim of evil breeding not evil himself. They present his works in the light of delving in the recess of human psyche as if there's something worthy of respect there even if the author may have never intended to present the world anything but evil in order to purely shock and disgust.

I remember my dear university teacher when he talked about 120 days of Sodom... He became pale, very anguished. He told us that if you wanted to be depressed you should read this book. I am unable to read it, just read some parts that are disgusting. I don't remember what he said about Sade apart this part. Supposedly Sade was a critic of religion and kings but personally I am an ignorant about his philosophy apart his sadism and his hate. La Philosophie du Boudoir is maybe his more easy book but even then you can see how his mind was completely sick, specially at the end of the book where you can read very sadistic scenes between a mother and his daughter. I don't understand me either his fame, and how he is admired by some French intellectuals. You have to be "a little" strange to admire a monster like Sade. :O I think so.

When I saw the Pasolini's movie I was depressed for many days. Since then I think that Pasolini was also a little crazy, to not say very much. He died not long after he did this movie, in Brazil, in strange and very sadistic circumstances... He was assassinated.

 

[Monoaurea]

I was quite impressed by an article written by Douglas B. Lynott on Marquis de Sade which at the end presents him quite differently as an artist that deserves recognition. While reading this it came to my mind that the famous de Sade was clearly a psychopath who had no intention to illuminate humanity on profound issues. Are you familiar with his writings or his biography so that we can acknowledge him as a psychopath and not a man of genious? I find true talent and geniality quite contradictory to a highly disturbed personality even if psychopaths are clearly very intelligent..

Here's the site where you can read the article :

_http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/sade/index_1.html

Okay, wait, what you're saying here is that if he is a psychopath he can't be a genius? That is quite hateful of you.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Okay, wait, what you're saying here is that if he is a psychopath he can't be a genius?

Depends what your definition of 'genius' is. According to Lobaczewski (whose work the creators of this forum published and made available to the public) and other researchers, psychopaths' IQ is on average below that of the average human, and they never reach the levels of true creative genius. Just don't have the 'hardware'. That said, there do seem to be some highly intelligent psychopaths, who may be considered 'genius' by some. That probably comes down to a matter of opinion, however. There are also subtypes of psychopaths, one of which is the 'asthenic' psychopath (described by Lobaczewski in Political Ponerology), which I am pretty sure corresponds to the type described by Cleckley in Caricature of Love. These psychopaths create twisted 'literature', and are often sexually deviant (paedophiles, sadists, or asexual in a sense).

That is quite hateful of you.

That is a judgment I do not think you are in the place to make. I'd recommend you read the thread on 'opinions', and internalize that this is a research forum, and all that entails.

 

[loreta]

Okay, wait, what you're saying here is that if he is a psychopath he can't be a genius? That is quite hateful of you.

Do you consider the Marquis a genius? Did you read him? Did you study his philosophy? Just curious.

 

[chaps23]

Okay, wait, what you're saying here is that if he is a psychopath he can't be a genius? That is quite hateful of you.

I actually posted on this earlier but it seems to not of worked, hateful is a strong word and I dont particularly think that psycic spy was attempting to be hateful at all. could you explain to me how this came accross to you as a hateful statement? We are all here to do nothing other than learning/teaching so I would love to hear your side of the story.

Judging by all of your first posts am I correct in assuming you have quite some interest in the topic of psychopaths? Have you ever been directly or indirectly harmed/abused; or more simply had any interactions with such a person? because sharing your situation may help us provide more insight into the questions you have asked.

Best Regards,

Brent.

 

[Monoaurea]

Okay, wait, what you're saying here is that if he is a psychopath he can't be a genius? That is quite hateful of you.

I actually posted on this earlier but it seems to not of worked, hateful is a strong word and I dont particularly think that psycic spy was attempting to be hateful at all. could you explain to me how this came accross to you as a hateful statement? We are all here to do nothing other than learning/teaching so I would love to hear your side of the story.

Judging by all of your first posts am I correct in assuming you have quite some interest in the topic of psychopaths? Have you ever been directly or indirectly harmed/abused; or more simply had any interactions with such a person? because sharing your situation may help us provide more insight into the questions you have asked.

Best Regards,

Brent.

It seemed like he was saying that if someone is a psychopath, they won't give them the luxury of calling them a genius, or they don't have the "right" or privilege to be called a genius. The only motivation I could think of for this view would be that they don't like psychopaths. I haven't been abused by a psychopath, but I've done some research. It seems that some people here are confused on the facts, though.

 

[Laura]

It seems that some people here are confused on the facts, though.

Particularly yourself. And, since you posted the following in another thread:

As for the person who said that this place excludes them, I won't trust that there are none here. You can't tell who is and who isn't one. A psychopath doesn't need to act like an "evil person" to be a psychopath. I'm sure if someone is abusing others here, it doesn't matter if they're a psychopath or aren't a psychopath. I'd much rather have a psychopath who wants to stay and will therefore be behaved as opposed to someone who isn't one and wants to be malicious.

You are right. I would prefer a behaving psychopath to someone who is malicious and you have shown several signs of being the latter, if not the former.

Sayonara.

 

[psychic_spy]

Okay, wait, what you're saying here is that if he is a psychopath he can't be a genius? That is quite hateful of you.

I didn't mean to be hateful, i simply meant a statement the way Approaching Infinity said it. That psychopaths are not creative geniuses, not in an objective sense. I pointed this because some scholars, or at least intelligent people write essays and present a well-known work of a specific psychopath, in this case, a sexual pervert type as a work of genius that can enlight people or liberate others out of social-sexual prejudices which, i guess is counter productive to culture in many respects.
This situation really confuses people on the traits exhibited by a psychopath, making them rather appealing then repulsing which creates a sub-culture that encourages psycopathic attitudes in a number of individuals that maybe are not psychopatic in their turn but copy a specific behaviour to assert their individuality and promote psychopathy.