Meat, meat & more meat

Here's a funny one for everyone.

I was running around collecting bundles of meat from everywhere I could. I had so much meat in my arms that I kept dropping packages but each time I would just bend down and reorganize. I must have been carrying 30 pounds of meat.

I'm relatively sure this dream relates to the C's message of "preparation" but I think it's pretty funny that a former longtime vegetarian/vegan is dreaming in living color about being covered in meat.

:cool:
 
Maybe the meat means knowledge, and you have so much "nourishment" at your fingertips these days that you find it hard to digest all at once. :P
Some of the comments in the recent C session 2013-03-23 about the last supper made me think of that association, at least.
 
whitecoast said:
Maybe the meat means knowledge, and you have so much "nourishment" at your fingertips these days that you find it hard to digest all at once. :P
Some of the comments in the recent C session 2013-03-23 about the last supper made me think of that association, at least.

That very well could be, Whitecoast. I will chew on that. Ha ha.

I just started red eating meat again after 25 years of not eating red meat. I've come full circle in my understanding of what is necessary and optimal nourishment for human biological machines and it's in conflict with much of society, as you know, and in conflict with many of my colleagues beliefs but I'm very happy with my choice.

So in other words, I do think my dream has to do with my recent and "radical" diet shift but, your point is well taken, that it surely could be about nourishment overall and trying to take in all the swift shift I am experiencing.

Oh, and a lot of the meat were rib-eyes, Starshine's favorite. FWIW.

:lol:
 
Or it could be as simple as being a message from your subconsciousness telling you what you need, nutritionally-wise.

Since you have been a vegetarian/vegan for so long, your body must be craving quality protein/animal fat quite badly.

Anyhow, this is what came to my mind and I could be wrong.
 
JayMark said:
Or it could be as simple as being a message from your subconsciousness telling you what you need, nutritionally-wise.

Since you have been a vegetarian/vegan for so long, your body must be craving quality protein/animal fat quite badly.

Anyhow, this is what came to my mind and I could be wrong.


You are absolutely right.

I have been eating fish for about ten years and some eggs but I am now sure that the lack of animal protein overall had a detrimental impact on my body, which is overall a fit and healthy body but one that has recently been experiencing some issues, and, therefore, convinced me that meat was the way to go.

Well, I should add that years of inquiry into what is optimal food for many species led me to add meat back into my diet and the fact that I am very small and just could not consume the quantities of food I needed so I need to pack more punch into what I am eating.

One very noticeable and welcome "side-effect" from eating meat has been a major reduction in my cravings for sweets. I'm simply amazed. I still eat them but I go days without, whereas before they were a major energy source because I just wasn't eating enough of anything else throughout the day. :D

And I still think the dream is funny because as very tiny person who was a professional advocate for veganism to be carrying around 30 pounds of meat, well, it's just funny.

:lol:
 
history said:
You are absolutely right.

I have been eating fish for about ten years and some eggs but I am now sure that the lack of animal protein overall had a detrimental impact on my body, which is overall a fit and healthy body but one that has recently been experiencing some issues, and, therefore, convinced me that meat was the way to go.

Well, I should add that years of inquiry into what is optimal food for many species led me to add meat back into my diet and the fact that I am very small and just could not consume the quantities of food I needed so I need to pack more punch into what I am eating.

One very noticeable and welcome "side-effect" from eating meat has been a major reduction in my cravings for sweets. I'm simply amazed. I still eat them but I go days without, whereas before they were a major energy source because I just wasn't eating enough of anything else throughout the day. :D

And I still think the dream is funny because as very tiny person who was a professional advocate for veganism to be carrying around 30 pounds of meat, well, it's just funny.

:lol:

The better your diet is, the less "cravings" you will have. After a good, healthy meat/fat meal, chances are you won't feel like eating for a while. People that are always hungry despite the fact they eat plenty of food are usually people that have nutritional (and psychological) deficiencies which makes the body crave more food until it gets what it needs (which sometimes never happens), osit.

The only thing I would suggest though is cutting sweets 100%. They are literally concentrated poison.

Don't give up! :)
 
JayMark said:
The better your diet is, the less "cravings" you will have. After a good, healthy meat/fat meal, chances are you won't feel like eating for a while. People that are always hungry despite the fact they eat plenty of food are usually people that have nutritional (and psychological) deficiencies which makes the body crave more food until it gets what it needs (which sometimes never happens), osit.

The only thing I would suggest though is cutting sweets 100%. They are literally concentrated poison.

Don't give up! :)


I've been advocating against carbs for years. I lived without them solidly for two to three years and felt overall great from what I knew at that point but I wasn't eating meat so my health and psychological experience was probably limited. I only went back because I was loosing too much weight (because I wasn't eating meat) and I can't afford to loose weight.

I'm enjoying eating meat, although, I'm still not happy with what it takes to get it on the plate.

And I still enjoy fruit but a lot less than I used to.

Never give up.

;)
 
history said:
I'm enjoying eating meat, although, I'm still not happy with what it takes to get it on the plate.

I understand. I don't think it's "fun" to kill animals per se, but I think it is completely natural and that it is how it works in this 3D STS environment. STS feed from other lifeforms - period. We feed on animals/plants, lizzies feed on us. We are part of the food chain just like everything else. Thinking that we are on top of it is a very dangerous assumption, osit. One of the best way to become a free lunch. Just like animals don't know they are being raised to be eaten, the vast majority of humans don't know they are as well. Same concept, different realms.

The point is that we have to take out life in order to survive and so do animals. So who are we to decide that killing animals is bad while killing plants is ok? Who are we to determine which form of life is more valuable that another?

Note that this is just a general reflection on the matter.

Peace.
 
JayMark said:
I understand. I don't think it's "fun" to kill animals per se, but I think it is completely natural and that it is how it works in this 3D STS environment. STS feed from other lifeforms - period. We feed on animals/plants, lizzies feed on us. We are part of the food chain just like everything else. Thinking that we are on top of it is a very dangerous assumption, osit. One of the best way to become a free lunch. Just like animals don't know they are being raised to be eaten, the vast majority of humans don't know they are as well. Same concept, different realms.

I understand. I remember twenty-five years ago when a very wise friend of mine, who died much too young, said we were all being farmed. It was the first time I had heard and/or thought about that kind of concept.

I will take exception with your premise that animals do not know they are being raised for food. I think some of them do and I have some friends in my farming community who agree. One friend in particular, a man who builds barns, told me about a conversation he had with a very fat pig and how the pig told him he knew he was going to be food and he/the pig was okay with it.

I am not okay with is how we raise our food. The pig above was living quite well on a family farm that cared for him well, maybe even respected him for his 'service' but in the end, he was still sent to a slaughter house where he was terrified and experienced pain. He may have been one of the luckier ones that went to a smaller killing factory but regardless he was still scared and bled out with others of his kind bleeding out in fear around him. I understand it is "natural" for their to be fear at death but there is nothing natural about a slaughter house.

The "unlucky" pigs on factory farms can't turn around their entire lives, they are beaten on the head with metal pipes for "fun", day old piglets are thrown up against the factory walls in kill the piglet worker amusement games, they have their ears ripped off by sadistic workers, the list of cruelties is endless and much of this goes on in North Carolina where I have a home, so I am very aware of these atrocities, atrocities that ARE the rule not the exception on factory farms.

I really have come full circle in my intellectual understanding of what is optimal for the health of our species and I have committed to it with my own personal practices, something I never thought I would do. It took me more than twenty-five years to get where I am and I know we have to eat animals but our planet can not support the demand that five billion people have for ethically raised meat and that is a great concern for me.


JayMark said:
The point is that we have to take out life in order to survive and so do animals. So who are we to decide that killing animals is bad while killing plants is ok? Who are we to determine which form of life is more valuable that another?

I don't think killing plants is okay. I loathe hurting trees or plants, although, walking on grass brings me much joy. I don't value one life more than the other, at least intellectually, and I am certainly aware that there are many levels of awareness that we don't have immediate access to, so plants may very well be screaming when they are killed, but the mother cow will certainly defend her baby if she sees you are a threat and that baby will bleed and SCREAM so you can hear it if you stab it and, with those facts alone, for me, we owe it to them/animals to give them the most ethical, natural life and the most painless death possible.


JayMark said:
Note that this is just a general reflection on the matter.

Noted. ;)


JayMark said:

Peace to you and all.
 
history said:
The modify option disappears too quickly!

:cry:

Hi history. I believe the 'Modify' button can only be utilized for a half hour after your post is made. For me, this is a great reminder to reread my post and make any necessary corrections before posting! I've noticed that you have been posting often lately. It helps to slow down a little as there is much information and feedback from others to ponder. My two cents.
 
history said:
I am not okay with is how we raise our food. The pig above was living quite well on a family farm that cared for him well, maybe even respected him for his 'service' but in the end, he was still sent to a slaughter house where he was terrified and experienced pain. He may have been one of the luckier ones that went to a smaller killing factory but regardless he was still scared and bled out with others of his kind bleeding out in fear around him. I understand it is "natural" for their to be fear at death but there is nothing natural about a slaughter house.

The "unlucky" pigs on factory farms can't turn around their entire lives, they are beaten on the head with metal pipes for "fun", day old piglets are thrown up against the factory walls in kill the piglet worker amusement games, they have their ears ripped off by sadistic workers, the list of cruelties is endless and much of this goes on in North Carolina where I have a home, so I am very aware of these atrocities, atrocities that ARE the rule not the exception on factory farms.

I do so agree.

history said:
It took me more than twenty-five years to get where I am and I know we have to eat animals but our planet can not support the demand that five billion people have for ethically raised meat and that is a great concern for me.

Are you sure it wouldn't be a viable option? Any research you can link to? I am just curious. Since there is so much anti-meat propaganda about. According to 'The Vegetarian Myth' it is modern agriculture/monoculture that is destroying the planet, which leaves me wondering if there are other options available to us (if no ice-age were to arrive very soon).
 
BrightLight11 said:
history said:
The modify option disappears too quickly!

:cry:

Hi history. I believe the 'Modify' button can only be utilized for a half hour after your post is made. For me, this is a great reminder to reread my post and make any necessary corrections before posting! I've noticed that you have been posting often lately. It helps to slow down a little as there is much information and feedback from others to ponder. My two cents.


I do reread my post numerous times using the preview button also numerous times. I've finally figured out the quote button somewhat too.

But yes, slowing down in general is beneficial.

Thanks! :D
 
Mariama said:
history said:
It took me more than twenty-five years to get where I am and I know we have to eat animals but our planet can not support the demand that five billion people have for ethically raised meat and that is a great concern for me.

Are you sure it wouldn't be a viable option? Any research you can link to? I am just curious. Since there is so much anti-meat propaganda about. According to 'The Vegetarian Myth' it is modern agriculture/monoculture that is destroying the planet, which leaves me wondering if there are other options available to us (if no ice-age were to arrive very soon).

Hi, Mariama,

I don't know for sure but I will do my best to check later today/tonight. Maybe I am just repeating what I have learned over the years. I know I did recently read an article linked somewhere on the forum about how we are less healthy since modern agriculture began and I want to say it argued modern ag in all forms was destroying the planet but I could have that wrong too.
 
Monoculture/annuals are what are destroying the planet. Kieth calls it ecocide. There are many orders of magnitude more species destroyed (animals AND plants, and even down to the microbes in the soil) to plant annuals -- literally clearing everything, habitats and all -- than if we ate primarily animals; also in the process, destroying the perennials that actually sustain the soil.

There's basically no topsoil left to speak of because of intensive farming. Topsoil is crucial to the planet's ability to sustain the web of life. There's simply no way to support 7 billion or more people on this planet for much longer. Even if there was not impending ice age, cometary catastrophes, etc. Free grazing animals would be the solution, but at this point, Mother Nature will clean the slate/put things back into balance. Everything (including the human population) could NOT have gotten so out of balance without agriculture. It seems to me, as simple as that.
 
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