Method - assessment of reality and reality based beliefs

Michal

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Hi,

Context: Political situation discussions with my family and acquaintances about Russia.

Problem: How to provide proofs to oneself and others to justify world view/belief system

Intention: Be true, hold on to reality, do not believe in illusions, sharing with those who ask and showing the way which I have gone through myself. Validation of my own perceptions and interpretations which help others and give them lesson of how to come back to reality using own reasoning. Kind of getting rid of authorities in forming own opinions, beliefs about the world and returning authority to own mind, critical thinking.

How do You do it Joe and Nial and others also who I do not know?

I think there is no easy way having ones own view. Connecting the dots is a good name for a method in my opinion.

In general to myself when I think about my family how they are trapped in some beliefs is that:
1. Cannot listen or read only one medium
2. Got to know the medium: who owns it, with whom it is linked by cooperation, agreements, support, business
3. Got to know history. Stories of mass manipulation, stories of lies being caught, stories of covert actions.
4. Got to know key people in world politics, business maybe also military although that is maybe out of the spotlights so probably we cannot hear or see them "normally"

Once my wife did one cool thing. There was few years back some "patriotic" demonstration during 11th of November independence day in Poland. There were some fascists elements linked to football hooligans and some strange organization. She started to dig through different media and found that there is controversial message and she could not decide what was true what was not. So it left her with cognitive dissonance about why one medium is transmitting with that comment, other with other comment and still the other is not saying about incident at all. Also question was if there are some facts about people who were linked to organize this counter demonstration or to steal the focus of attention by media - why this thread was not followed, why no journalist was continuing to find answers on questions who was behind the story, who and why organized this incident. And maybe why this was not incident but rather planned organized action?
So after such a story there naturally occurs doubt in intention of the news being fed to the people. Why someone is taking precious time during half an hour of main daily news to convey story which does not have further continuation? But still leaves listeners/viewers with some impressions: for example that patriotic = fascist?

So there is probably point 5
5. Got to know sociotechnology to understand the role of emotions in media

This example I gave I thought is maybe some kind of shortcut for people. If I try to analyze even one story from daily news then I begin to find out that there are plenty of things I do not know, that I need to check, research.
Maybe not all news have the same weight. Also composition of the sequence of messages is important but even taking one story like that one may see that it is not so easy to just say that I am sure of this or that.

So for the Putin/Ukraine/war context I think that I am not able to be sure of neither side. However I remember stories of JFK, MLK, RFK, 911, NSA wiretapping, CIA tortures, Iraq war, Afghan war, destruction of Libya, destruction of Syria, exploitation of poor countries by corporations, Bulbfiction, TTIP, Economic Hitman, exploitation of Africa, financial crisis 2008, and others and this gives some broader context for being at least very cautious with forming opinions from one event and interpret one fact without knowing others.

Have You thought guys about giving some example of how to analyze News?
Or maybe You already did and I do not know?
Do You think that this is possible to give few cardinal points/procedure for people who would like to analyze by their own?
 
So for the Putin/Ukraine/war context I think that I am not able to be sure of neither side.

I think this is what you are really asking about? If so, there are plenty of facts available to lead anyone with an open mind to the conclusion that this is a war against Russia by Western forces. You don't have a problem accepting that the US sees (and has seen for a long time) Russia (and many other countries) as its enemy, do you?
 
I cannot enter Putin's head or heart that is what I mean. I do not want to believe! ... I hate myself for believing :) although I believe in Japan but have no experience of it firsthand...

Hey, I am really struggling to be in reality not in opinions or illusions.
I see that facts are telling of its own but still I cannot be sure of anyone... can I?

Ok so maybe the problem I have is more about me: if believing anything may be OK? Is it at all possible to eliminate believing? I am not able to verify everything and what more I am not able to see anyones heart or mind...??? So how I can be sure of anything. ... A bit exagerating but maybe You see my point?

In my struggle for reality I came to the point some day that at least for the world to be real I need to believe in my existence and my senses. This is however decision to do so. I may decide to believe. ...

But maybe this is then not crucial to have knowledge about person or ... other way ... knowledge about person is through his/her deeds...

Any hint?
 
Mikel said:
But maybe this is then not crucial to have knowledge about person or ... other way ... knowledge about person is through his/her deeds...

For sure. But maybe you also have to learn to live with uncertainty and be happy with applying probabilities rather than certainties.
 
Mikel said:
I cannot enter Putin's head or heart that is what I mean. I do not want to believe! ... I hate myself for believing :) although I believe in Japan but have no experience of it firsthand...

Hey, I am really struggling to be in reality not in opinions or illusions.
I see that facts are telling of its own but still I cannot be sure of anyone... can I?

Ok so maybe the problem I have is more about me: if believing anything may be OK? Is it at all possible to eliminate believing? I am not able to verify everything and what more I am not able to see anyones heart or mind...??? So how I can be sure of anything. ... A bit exagerating but maybe You see my point?

In my struggle for reality I came to the point some day that at least for the world to be real I need to believe in my existence and my senses. This is however decision to do so. I may decide to believe. ...

But maybe this is then not crucial to have knowledge about person or ... other way ... knowledge about person is through his/her deeds...

Any hint?

What if you try to study history and to apply it to the current situation? To see the patterns? You can never be sure of everything but what does your intuition says?
 
Mikel said:
I cannot enter Putin's head or heart that is what I mean. I do not want to believe! ... I hate myself for believing :) although I believe in Japan but have no experience of it firsthand...

Hey, I am really struggling to be in reality not in opinions or illusions.
I see that facts are telling of its own but still I cannot be sure of anyone... can I?

Ok so maybe the problem I have is more about me:
It appears that way to me.

In my struggle for reality I came to the point some day that at least for the world to be real I need to believe in my existence and my senses. This is however decision to do so. I may decide to believe.
I suggest you do not "believe" anything, rather, learn to have "faith" in what you are able to discern about the reality you exist in based upon your own intellect and reason. And, as Perceval mentioned, you have to be able to live with uncertainty and be content with assigning a probability as to whether something is true or not. The greatest benefit of this approach is that if one is viewing reality with the best available information at the time, as new or different information becomes available, one can shift their viewpoint very easily as there is no emotional involvement in assigning these probabilities as opposed to the 'emotionality' of belief!
But maybe this is then not crucial to have knowledge about person or ... other way ... knowledge about person is through his/her deeds...
The knowledge necessary about a person IS their deeds.
 

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