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Just watched a movie on Netflix, Mirage. One of the better movies I've seen in a while. A 72 hour storm produces an anomaly which creates a space- time continuum glitch that allows two individuals to communicate twenty five years apart, altering their timelines. Really well done. Spanish, with English sub titles.
 
So I was having breakfast and I figured out the end. Took me a minute, I was tired last night; why he didn't remember her and why she said what she said. I won't elaborate in case any of you watch it. It really made my night! Exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for when I start watching a movie!
 
We watched it yesterday, as you picked my curiosity. We're still wondering about the end, so if you could give your view in a spoiler form, that would be appreciated! Gave us much discussion. :rolleyes:

The intrigue was compelling and heart shaking at times, the glitch of multiple timelines always leave me thinking everything is possible and you have to figure out which explanation fit best for you.
 
We watched it yesterday, as you picked my curiosity. We're still wondering about the end, so if you could give your view in a spoiler form, that would be appreciated! Gave us much discussion.





Let's Discuss: The Ending Of The Movie 'Mirage' ('Durante La Tormenta') On Netflix
April 1, 2019


Perhaps it is the long-form nature of television that has this viewer interested in digging in deeper. These days, it feels as though every plot could get expanded upon further. In the case of “Mirage,” this is especially true of its ending. If there is one thing that the thriller on Netflix could have spent just a little more time on, it is that. Here’s why.

Caution: Spoilers for the ending of the movie “Mirage” (“Durante la tormenta”) are below.

“Mirage” ends with a startling revelation, even if it is one that seems self-evident. It turns out that Nico Lasarte has been with Vera the entire time. He is the detective that has been helping her. Courtesy of a name change, Nico keeps the truth a secret from Vera.


It turns out that he has known Vera from the minute she arrived at the police station for help, and not entirely for the reason viewers may have initially thought. He does not just recognize her from seeing her on the television, all those years ago.

After everyone came to believe he was mentally ill, the movie explains that Nico grew up searching for the woman he saw on the TV.

This is when Nico's connection to Vera goes from expected to entirely unexpected. That is because there is more to it than what happened with Vera's warning. Nico and Vera met as adults, fell in love and got married.

That's right. In the new timeline, Vera is married to Nico. Hence, when she shows up, she does so as his wife. Nico explains that he knew the day of the storm would arrive. However, he never expected her to forget their entire life together. Why she does not remember it is something that never gets explained.

For most of the movie, Vera only remembers the life in which she is married to a philandering husband with whom she shares their beloved daughter, Gloria. She does not recall her life with Nico until the very end of the movie.

Wanting to reunite with her daughter, Vera urges Nico to correct the timeline. She then ends her life in the second timeline by jumping off the roof of the apartment building, she and Nico are standing on together.


When she wakes up, Vera’s previous life has gotten restored, and an adult Nico is still alive. She soon realizes that her husband is a cheater in both timelines. As she did in the second timeline, she also exposes the truth about the neighbor’s death.

Vera also seeks out Nico, and the two meet as a vague sense of their future hangs in the balance. The ending of “Mirage” leaves the impression that they may end up together, after all. There are a few lingering questions that remain.

Why does Vera only have a child in one timeline and not both?
“Mirage” could have complicated matters further by having Vera be a mother in both universes. Instead, she is only one in the firstly revealed life.

The potential explanation for this lies in Vera’s pursuit of and realization of her medical dreams. She was also on that track in the original timeline before she chose motherhood.


Why would the same opportunity not have arisen in her other life with Nico? Is “Mirage” hinting that Vera’s "first" husband did something to change her course? It is just a theory.

Had Vera been a mother in her second life, “Mirage” would have dealt with a complicated scenario. In truth, I almost thought the movie was going to go there at the last minute with another big twist. That curveball being that Vera also had a child with Nico. It did not happen though.

In many ways her not being a mom in the second timeline sort of feels like a plot-driven choice to have her old life restored. At the core, “Mirage” is not about Vera choosing one partner over another. It is about her putting her daughter ahead of everything in her life. All of which makes sense.

If she had a child in both timelines that would not have been as easy a choice. Had she been faced with being a mother to a slightly altered version of Gloria, would she have made the same decision to end her life? It is a thought-provoking question.

Why could Vera not remember both of her lives for so long?
Nico himself asks this without being able to answer it. Either it was a fluke or the story’s way of telling the audience that Vera’s first life was the “real” one. “Mirage” spends a lot of time setting up Vera’s timeline with her family in the first part of the movie. It is time well spent as it makes the audience invest in it too.

What “Mirage” does not spend a lot of time on is Nico’s devastation and Vera sifting through her feelings upon recalling their life together. The thing is, for whatever reason, they do not have a child. Hence, Vera’s choice to end her life in the second timeline to reunite with Gloria.


Nico does not appear to struggle with what to do next. He understands Vera's maternal devotion and does the right thing by sacrificing the life he loves with her so that she can have her daughter back.

Before the movie ends, Vera meets back up with him in the third version of her life. She seems interested in pursuing a relationship. "Mirage" leaves viewers without knowing what comes next. Does she tell Nico everything? Will he believe her? Could there be a sequel? This is one of those rare times a movie has genuinely earned one.

What did Nico say to younger Nico?
We never learn precisely what Nico told his younger self on the television. Apparently, he never told him about their neighbor’s death. Was that so Vera would find him in the next timeline?

It is also unclear if young Nico ever told anyone about seeing his older self on television. That would have led to him facing a similar fate to the one he had in the second timeline. Hence, adult Nico probably told his kid self to keep that info to himself. Are you still with me? Okay. Next item.

The neighbor’s death
Following a lot of out of context scenes, the ending revealed the exact circumstances of the neighbor’s demise. She did not get murdered as "Mirage" initially indicated. Distraught over her husband’s affair, the wife reacted violently, ultimately leading to her accidental death.

That it was not a murder never gets officially addressed. The explanation does help clarify the opening of “Mirage” wherein it was clear the neighbor was distraught over Nico’s also-accidental death.


If the neighbor was a cold-hearted killer, why express such despair? “Mirage” indicated there was more to the story and it delivered on it.
 
So I was having breakfast and I figured out the end. Took me a minute, I was tired last night; why he didn't remember her and why she said what she said. I won't elaborate in case any of you watch it. It really made my night! Exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for when I start watching a movie!

This morning when I saw this thread I was like, "Mirage? What's that?" I didn't recognize my own thread! lol So there was some definite memory retrieval work I needed to do to answer your question @Starshine

One thing that jumped out at me at the end was when Vera entered the third timeline; one of the first things she did after going to her daughter was to go look for the video equipment. It wasn't there. So I think that means she never communicates with Nico in the third timeline. Nico's timeline must have changed after the second video communication with his future self where he must have told the younger version of himself not to pursue Vera and not to leave the video equipment in the house for Vera to find 25 years later. After that point, his timeline changed as well as his memory of events (I presume) So when they meet at the crime scene, Nico doesn't recognize Vera. But Vera at this point is aware of all three timelines. She knows her husband cheated on her and she knows that her and Nico have the potential to fall in love and have a relationship. I just can't remember the exact exchange between them at the end now. He ask, do we know each other? And she says something like, we will.
 
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Thank you genero81 for your reply as we thought about it and I couldn't make sense of the end.
But still, there are some things I can't explain.

One thing that jumped out at me at the end was when Vera entered the third timeline; one of the first things she did after going to her daughter was to go look for the video equipment. It wasn't there. So I think that means she never communicates with Nico in the third timeline.

This seems logical but if she didn't have any communication with Nico, how does it happen that he is still alive as she hasn't been able to warn him about the danger of going to neighbor's house?

Nico's timeline must have changed after the second video communication with his future self where he must have told the younger version of himself not to pursue Vera and not to leave the video equipment in the house for Vera to find 25 years later.

But when adult Nico talks to young Nico, young Nico already met Vera on the TV, the neighbors had the accident and he is waiting for her to get to him before the storm ends. Instead, this is adult Nico who appears.
So, even if he gave up the idea of finding her, he should have remembered her...?
I don't know I'm lost :umm:

Still, it was a great movie!
It reminds me of Memento, made me think for a while.
 
Lol, genero81, it really is an example of how quick items in the working memory can fade! Especially true with movies where we are quite passive, maybe.
Her confidence at the end, third timeline, is overwhelming regarding what will follow between them. She knows that memories will be retrieved by simple touch, I think.
What bothered me is what happens to the Nico from the second timeline, supposedly he just continues to live as a really burdened widower. A terrible idea as he concentrated his whole life on her, got married to her, and she finally decided to suicide. I don't see why the timeline would stop existing for him.
The question remains, do all three timelines continue to coexist independently or does it get suppressed by the different choices made? That's why I say, every explanation is possible, and I can circle in loops around those ideas! Reminds me of "This statement is false".

FOTCM Principles said:
Consciousness-being the Root and driving force of Creation with Truth being its objective. Consciousness is self-referential, and so it is difficult to clearly define. This self-referential problem is the single distinction that makes consciousness different from other “things.” That being so, we can define consciousness as “that which can create, store, and manipulate ideas.” This then begs another definition: what is an idea? Humankind generally does not correctly take literally the existence of ideas. The power of intent (which is also an idea), when properly understood, is also underappreciated. Kurt Godel invented the incompleteness theorem to have a formal framework in which to manipulate ideas. Consider “1+1=2”. It is static, cold, material, finite. Once you know this fact, you transition from the state of not knowing the fact to the state of knowing the fact and that is all. It is helpful to know this fact, but like so many other facts, it is just another tool in your toolkit that allows you to manipulate and/or describe your reality. This fact does not in itself provide any opportunity for growth. Alternatively consider “This statement is false.” This is one of the classic conundrums behind the incompleteness theorem. This is not static, but instead loops back on itself. The very statement requires that you re-analyze the statement in order to verify its accuracy. Once you do, you are faced with the existential nature of the paradox. It’s not cold or material or finite, in fact it is infinite, requiring either an infinite series of loops to resolve or to step outside into another system. We may posit that this other system is consciousness. So we may define consciousness as “that which is able to, and does, refer to itself in what necessarily becomes an infinite spiral” or “that which renders its awareness accessible to itself”.
 
But when adult Nico talks to young Nico, young Nico already met Vera on the TV, the neighbors had the accident and he is waiting for her to get to him before the storm ends. Instead, this is adult Nico who appears.
So, even if he gave up the idea of finding her, he should have remembered her...?

At this point Nico has already avoided his untimely death as a boy. We don't know what Vera instructed the older Nico to do before she jumped. Maybe she realized all Nico needed to do was get rid of the equipment as a boy in order to erase his memory of her from that point on. That's probably why the writers had her whisper the instructions to him, so the viewer would be left to speculate.

But I'm glad y'all liked it! It is rare when a movie has you thinking about it days later. :perfect:
 
What bothered me is what happens to the Nico from the second timeline, supposedly he just continues to live as a really burdened widower. A terrible idea as he concentrated his whole life on her, got married to her, and she finally decided to suicide. I don't see why the timeline would stop existing for him.

Yes but that's the thing, isn't it? He couldn't live two different lives at the same time. Once he instructed his younger self to dispense with the video equipment, that second timeline where he pursued and married Vera ceased to exist.
 
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At this point Nico has already avoided his untimely death as a boy. We don't know what Vera instructed the older Nico to do before she jumped. Maybe she realized all Nico needed to do was get rid of the equipment as a boy in order to erase his memory of her from that point on.

Ho! Yes, he may have got rid of the equipment before the storm ends! Otherwise, I don't see how this fact alone could erase his memory of Vera.

That's probably why the writers had her whisper the instructions to him, so the viewer would be left to speculate.

And it works! :-D
 
Yes but that's the thing, isn't it? He couldn't live two different lives at the same time. Once he instructed his younger self to dispense with the video equipment, that second timeline where he pursued and married Vera ceased to exist.
Possible, I don't know. It seems like a Schrödinger's cat experiment. It makes sense that it would cease to exist, but also that it would continue, to me, since the three different timelines existed and brought different experiences to each.
I can see the storm as a meeting between different coexistent timelines, in that case the three timelines exist and just meet through this particular event.
I can also see it as an event where different possibilities are exposed so that one can orient oneself better and choose the best course of actions. In that case it makes the reality of all others involved in the preceding realities a fiction. He never died, so how does the chain events even begin? How is she aware of him in the first timeline since he never died? Ah, those fictions.
In any way, I think I lack understanding here and can only speculate. As you said, it works!
 
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