Jtucker
Jedi Master
This book ties into the Charlie Red Star thread as the author of that book wrote the forward for this book. Both of them are from Winnipeg with the author of this one, Desta Barnabe, growing up in the current neighbourhood I live in where her experiences happened. I grew up on the other side of the city and attended junior high (middle school) 6 years earlier than her.
I noticed that hoosiermystic's introduction led her to the forum through a Reddit thread on the GATE program, which is what this book is about and how it may have been connected to a spin off MK Ultra program. Since Barnabe published this book last fall, many posts on YT and other social media platforms have picked up on this info. My guess is that, as she recounts it in this book - there were a lot of weird things going on with GATE (Gifted and Talented Education) program in Canada and other countries.
I wouldn't say that the book is exhaustive in its research like Laura or Whitney Webb would do, but she definitely makes a strong case based upon available records from MK-Ultra, Operation Paperclip and especially Ewen Cameron at Mc Gill University.
Ultimately the author gets to the root of all of this with the Tavistock Institute. Even though AI and "credible" sources debunk the fact that former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau had any connection to Tavistock, I think it's a pretty good guess that he espoused those early globalist ideas and that much like the Rockefeller Foundation, he believed that the key to controlling the populace was through early childhood education and removing as much of the family unit, community and religious influences to replace it with government sanctioned belief systems as much as possible. (Caesar confirmed this concept in a C's session - but obviously for the opposite purpose).
The idea that singling out the gifted an talented children to see who might actually have some sort of psychic abilities, or could possibly be used as a military intelligence asset, makes sense to me (Dave Mc Gowan did a lot of work revealing these type of plans). Barnabe goes through the personality inventory categories and how they may play into just what the powers that be might need. She makes an interesting connection to the rise of the GATE program right after Ingo Swann's remote viewing success with the CIA that he recounted in his book, "Penetration". It wasn't released at that time, but according to Swann, his RV sessions occurred then. The success of what Swann saw may have been a strong impetus to seek out new "Swann's" in the public school system.
Mk Ultra for Children
I'll add my experiences with GATE that may not be important, but when I bought this book, it did bring up some memories.
I went to two different elementary schools in Winnipeg. One was more affluent and the other was more working class. The affluent school did seem to value "smart" kids in terms of identifying a certain type of student over others. When I was in grade five, we had the first split class in the school. To use the terms from those days, us "smart" grade fives were in the same class as the "dumb" grade sixes.
Looking back on it, I don't think it had anything to do with the actual education level. Why would we get the same curriculum? It was a social experiment. The low achieving grade sixes were 100% male "tough" guys who completely resented being classified as Grade Fives again (it was their only option other than repeating the last grade). The "smart" kids were almost all overachieving girls with a few of us boys. I remember the girls (us boys didn't want to get beat up by the bigger and tougher 6ers so we kept our mouths shut) feeling very empowered by this new social status and started acting bossy towards the grade six boys.
I don't think the experiment lasted the whole year, because my grade 5 class photo is just us Grade 5's. Our teacher in that class was a very pretty, young liberal woman, and I would guess that whomever came up with the experiment knew that the "bad" Grade six boys might respond better to her.
The next year, that split class didn't exist. Halfway through the year our family moved to a more working class neighbourhood with a school that was basically the, "Blackboard Jungle". Smart kids were on their own. Whomever was the best at hockey or the toughest on the playground ruled (those tough guys still remain some of my closest friends to this day).
When I entered junior high (grades 7-9) we had a new school that was further out from the more working class neighbourhood. It was only three classes per grade, so about 250 kids in total. That was my first memory of the GATE program, or as we called the kids in the program, "Gifties". Obviously, this a very small sample size in a Canadian suburban neighbourhood on the edge of farmland, so not indicative of a larger school from those days. But after reading, "MK Ultra for Children", I did get some memories of that era.
In my grade, there were only a small handful of kids (5, I think) designated as "gifted" - two of them were sisters from India that kept to themselves. The three I remember clearly were over acheivers, and in our world at that time only one of them had any "Street Smarts". My first girlfriend was one of the "Gifted". She was pretty, quick witted and an amazing athlete. Her ringette team was so accomplished, they actually got to go to Moscow in 1983 for an invitational. Going to the Soviet Union in those days was a big deal. Her dad is still working with the Winnipeg Jets, so that situation makes sense with all the Soviet/Russian connections to Manitoba hockey over the years.
Not to be harsh, but her and the other two GATE kids I knew in Junior High weren't all that smart. They were just very hard studying kids with ambition and parents that pushed self-discipline. What Barnabe highlights in her book is that the GATE program in her day (a few years later) was looking for something else. One point that did seem unusual to me, is that my buddy Dean who was a "Gifty", but pretty much just wanted to get ahead in the world, and never ended up in any position of influence, just saw it as a stepping stone. But his brother, John (I won't post his full name here, but if you want to see his CV, just look up Professor Emeritus of Neurosurgery at Duke), was also in the GATE program in High School two years before us. How a working class guy from Winnipeg ends up heading Neurosurgery at Duke for decades is a Super bowl win. Also, it's "neuro" surgery. MK Ultra loves that. No evidence of anything unusual I can find, but an interesting co-incidence.
That being said, where Barnabe grew up is a completely different cultural and religious area than where I grew up. We were in "classic" 70's and 80's pop culture secular suburban landscape. St. Boniface (where she grew up and I've lived for almost 20 years) is still very French Catholic. The Grey Sisters own the Hospital and originally owned all the land here even before it was Canada.
Many people I know who grew up in St. B had religious education. I wouldn't say the Grey Sisters and the Oblate Fathers are particularly mystical, but you can see that Riel's role in Canadian history has a strong connection to prophecy and, for lack of a better term, prairie Metis apocalypse. Riel and most people in his world were educated by the Sisters and the Oblate Fathers. So if there is a "psi" connection between the GATE program and the MK Ultra world, a better harvest would have been found in a very Catholic neighbourhood run by nuns, than the 70's pop culture suburbia of west Winnipeg.
@Laurentien2 - I think we're from the same generation growing up in Canada. I'm wondering if you guys in Quebec had any GATE programs?
I'll add one more recollection from that time, that I don't think is directly related, but was a weird experience. In Grade 9 we all had to take what I think were exhaustive IQ like tests. Very boring and no one knew why we had to take them. Most of my buddies knew they weren't for "marks" so just blew through them and didn't care. I remember thinking, "What a weird series of puzzles to solve". I got into the test and liked it. I actually tried. Not something I did in those days, lol.
A couple of weeks later, me and a very quiet, wall flower type girl, named Jane got called to the principal's officer in the middle of class. Even though I had long hair and a leather jacket, I was pretty well behaved, and hadn't ever been called to the "office". Jane was as quiet and conservative as anyone could be. I remember walking with her to the office and she was holding back tears. I had known her for a few years and knew there was no way she was in trouble.
When we got there, it wasn't any staff from the school that wanted to talk to us, it was a young, aggrerssive man and woman from what I guess was the provincial school board. They wanted to talk to me and Jane about the tests from a few weeks ago. We were the only people that got talked to out of the whole school. None of the GATE kids got called in because I asked my buddy Dean after the interview and he didn't know anything about it (he suspected I got caught smoking lol).
They took me and Jane separately into this little cubicle office in the library and went over the tests with us. At that point, I did actually think we were in trouble for something. The young guy who interviewed me went through the whole test and asked me why I scored so high on every section except the one on spatial relationships. I had no answer. He stated I was bored with school and had a strong imagination (which was true) and that maybe that section didn't interest me, so I didn't try. I told him, no, I actually tried hard on that section, I just couldn't figure it out. He made me take that section again, and I tried even harder thinking I was in some sort of trouble. I scored even lower!
I talked to Jane a few days after that and asked her what they said to her. She said she failed the spatial relationship part of the test and she thought she was in trouble for that. Were these weird IQ tests filtering "spatial relationships"? Now that I think about it, Remote Viewing might need a strong spatial relationship ability. Who knows? Me and Jane apparently didn't have it.
So weird... It wasn't nefarious or mysterious like Desta Barnabe's GATE memories, but it always stuck with me as the most unusual experiences I had in school.
And - I am very spatially incompetent. Even though I work in logistics in a big chocolate factory, I constantly misjudge space - everything seems much smaller than it really is. I can't look at a pot lid in our kitchen and figure out which one it goes with unless physically put it on the pot. My Dad is the same way.
I guess the MK Ultra crew knew their metrics accurately. If I could actually gauge pot lid sizes, I might have been recruited for the CIA
I noticed that hoosiermystic's introduction led her to the forum through a Reddit thread on the GATE program, which is what this book is about and how it may have been connected to a spin off MK Ultra program. Since Barnabe published this book last fall, many posts on YT and other social media platforms have picked up on this info. My guess is that, as she recounts it in this book - there were a lot of weird things going on with GATE (Gifted and Talented Education) program in Canada and other countries.
I wouldn't say that the book is exhaustive in its research like Laura or Whitney Webb would do, but she definitely makes a strong case based upon available records from MK-Ultra, Operation Paperclip and especially Ewen Cameron at Mc Gill University.
Ultimately the author gets to the root of all of this with the Tavistock Institute. Even though AI and "credible" sources debunk the fact that former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau had any connection to Tavistock, I think it's a pretty good guess that he espoused those early globalist ideas and that much like the Rockefeller Foundation, he believed that the key to controlling the populace was through early childhood education and removing as much of the family unit, community and religious influences to replace it with government sanctioned belief systems as much as possible. (Caesar confirmed this concept in a C's session - but obviously for the opposite purpose).
The idea that singling out the gifted an talented children to see who might actually have some sort of psychic abilities, or could possibly be used as a military intelligence asset, makes sense to me (Dave Mc Gowan did a lot of work revealing these type of plans). Barnabe goes through the personality inventory categories and how they may play into just what the powers that be might need. She makes an interesting connection to the rise of the GATE program right after Ingo Swann's remote viewing success with the CIA that he recounted in his book, "Penetration". It wasn't released at that time, but according to Swann, his RV sessions occurred then. The success of what Swann saw may have been a strong impetus to seek out new "Swann's" in the public school system.
Mk Ultra for Children
I'll add my experiences with GATE that may not be important, but when I bought this book, it did bring up some memories.
I went to two different elementary schools in Winnipeg. One was more affluent and the other was more working class. The affluent school did seem to value "smart" kids in terms of identifying a certain type of student over others. When I was in grade five, we had the first split class in the school. To use the terms from those days, us "smart" grade fives were in the same class as the "dumb" grade sixes.
Looking back on it, I don't think it had anything to do with the actual education level. Why would we get the same curriculum? It was a social experiment. The low achieving grade sixes were 100% male "tough" guys who completely resented being classified as Grade Fives again (it was their only option other than repeating the last grade). The "smart" kids were almost all overachieving girls with a few of us boys. I remember the girls (us boys didn't want to get beat up by the bigger and tougher 6ers so we kept our mouths shut) feeling very empowered by this new social status and started acting bossy towards the grade six boys.
I don't think the experiment lasted the whole year, because my grade 5 class photo is just us Grade 5's. Our teacher in that class was a very pretty, young liberal woman, and I would guess that whomever came up with the experiment knew that the "bad" Grade six boys might respond better to her.
The next year, that split class didn't exist. Halfway through the year our family moved to a more working class neighbourhood with a school that was basically the, "Blackboard Jungle". Smart kids were on their own. Whomever was the best at hockey or the toughest on the playground ruled (those tough guys still remain some of my closest friends to this day).
When I entered junior high (grades 7-9) we had a new school that was further out from the more working class neighbourhood. It was only three classes per grade, so about 250 kids in total. That was my first memory of the GATE program, or as we called the kids in the program, "Gifties". Obviously, this a very small sample size in a Canadian suburban neighbourhood on the edge of farmland, so not indicative of a larger school from those days. But after reading, "MK Ultra for Children", I did get some memories of that era.
In my grade, there were only a small handful of kids (5, I think) designated as "gifted" - two of them were sisters from India that kept to themselves. The three I remember clearly were over acheivers, and in our world at that time only one of them had any "Street Smarts". My first girlfriend was one of the "Gifted". She was pretty, quick witted and an amazing athlete. Her ringette team was so accomplished, they actually got to go to Moscow in 1983 for an invitational. Going to the Soviet Union in those days was a big deal. Her dad is still working with the Winnipeg Jets, so that situation makes sense with all the Soviet/Russian connections to Manitoba hockey over the years.
Not to be harsh, but her and the other two GATE kids I knew in Junior High weren't all that smart. They were just very hard studying kids with ambition and parents that pushed self-discipline. What Barnabe highlights in her book is that the GATE program in her day (a few years later) was looking for something else. One point that did seem unusual to me, is that my buddy Dean who was a "Gifty", but pretty much just wanted to get ahead in the world, and never ended up in any position of influence, just saw it as a stepping stone. But his brother, John (I won't post his full name here, but if you want to see his CV, just look up Professor Emeritus of Neurosurgery at Duke), was also in the GATE program in High School two years before us. How a working class guy from Winnipeg ends up heading Neurosurgery at Duke for decades is a Super bowl win. Also, it's "neuro" surgery. MK Ultra loves that. No evidence of anything unusual I can find, but an interesting co-incidence.
That being said, where Barnabe grew up is a completely different cultural and religious area than where I grew up. We were in "classic" 70's and 80's pop culture secular suburban landscape. St. Boniface (where she grew up and I've lived for almost 20 years) is still very French Catholic. The Grey Sisters own the Hospital and originally owned all the land here even before it was Canada.
Many people I know who grew up in St. B had religious education. I wouldn't say the Grey Sisters and the Oblate Fathers are particularly mystical, but you can see that Riel's role in Canadian history has a strong connection to prophecy and, for lack of a better term, prairie Metis apocalypse. Riel and most people in his world were educated by the Sisters and the Oblate Fathers. So if there is a "psi" connection between the GATE program and the MK Ultra world, a better harvest would have been found in a very Catholic neighbourhood run by nuns, than the 70's pop culture suburbia of west Winnipeg.
@Laurentien2 - I think we're from the same generation growing up in Canada. I'm wondering if you guys in Quebec had any GATE programs?
I'll add one more recollection from that time, that I don't think is directly related, but was a weird experience. In Grade 9 we all had to take what I think were exhaustive IQ like tests. Very boring and no one knew why we had to take them. Most of my buddies knew they weren't for "marks" so just blew through them and didn't care. I remember thinking, "What a weird series of puzzles to solve". I got into the test and liked it. I actually tried. Not something I did in those days, lol.
A couple of weeks later, me and a very quiet, wall flower type girl, named Jane got called to the principal's officer in the middle of class. Even though I had long hair and a leather jacket, I was pretty well behaved, and hadn't ever been called to the "office". Jane was as quiet and conservative as anyone could be. I remember walking with her to the office and she was holding back tears. I had known her for a few years and knew there was no way she was in trouble.
When we got there, it wasn't any staff from the school that wanted to talk to us, it was a young, aggrerssive man and woman from what I guess was the provincial school board. They wanted to talk to me and Jane about the tests from a few weeks ago. We were the only people that got talked to out of the whole school. None of the GATE kids got called in because I asked my buddy Dean after the interview and he didn't know anything about it (he suspected I got caught smoking lol).
They took me and Jane separately into this little cubicle office in the library and went over the tests with us. At that point, I did actually think we were in trouble for something. The young guy who interviewed me went through the whole test and asked me why I scored so high on every section except the one on spatial relationships. I had no answer. He stated I was bored with school and had a strong imagination (which was true) and that maybe that section didn't interest me, so I didn't try. I told him, no, I actually tried hard on that section, I just couldn't figure it out. He made me take that section again, and I tried even harder thinking I was in some sort of trouble. I scored even lower!
I talked to Jane a few days after that and asked her what they said to her. She said she failed the spatial relationship part of the test and she thought she was in trouble for that. Were these weird IQ tests filtering "spatial relationships"? Now that I think about it, Remote Viewing might need a strong spatial relationship ability. Who knows? Me and Jane apparently didn't have it.
So weird... It wasn't nefarious or mysterious like Desta Barnabe's GATE memories, but it always stuck with me as the most unusual experiences I had in school.
And - I am very spatially incompetent. Even though I work in logistics in a big chocolate factory, I constantly misjudge space - everything seems much smaller than it really is. I can't look at a pot lid in our kitchen and figure out which one it goes with unless physically put it on the pot. My Dad is the same way.
I guess the MK Ultra crew knew their metrics accurately. If I could actually gauge pot lid sizes, I might have been recruited for the CIA
