Movin to Germany...not?

[Yozilla]

I am pondering on moving to Germany, in fact i've almost made me mind about it (just feel like needin' some timing /opportunity/whatever) to gain a momentum to finally ditch Split and Crapatia forever. I've been applying for different job postings from Germany on local portals and refused a dozen of “offers” so far - none of them “clicked” wright, if you'll excuse me... Most of them were electrician positions, which require frequent traveling and changing areas of residence – i prefer to be located in one area. And this repetitive dynamics – like you got a job, but NOT – is driving me crazy. Also feel certain (karmic maybe ) attraction to German language – would like to learn it quite a lot. Maybe following week will be a crucial one to finally take some decisive steps in that direction... FWIW

 

[Joe]

I am pondering on moving to Germany, in fact i've almost made me mind about it (just feel like needin' some timing /opportunity/whatever) to gain a momentum to finally ditch Split and Crapatia forever. I've been applying for different job postings from Germany on local portals and refused a dozen of “offers” so far - none of them “clicked” wright, if you'll excuse me... Most of them were electrician positions, which require frequent traveling and changing areas of residence – i prefer to be located in one area. And this repetitive dynamics – like you got a job, but NOT – is driving me crazy. Also feel certain (karmic maybe ) attraction to German language – would like to learn it quite a lot. Maybe following week will be a crucial one to finally take some decisive steps in that direction... FWIW

Don't see any reason why not! You can post about the potential job opportunities for people to chime in here, if you like.

 

[gnosisxsophia]

...And this repetitive dynamics – like you got a job, but NOT – is driving me crazy. Also feel certain (karmic maybe ) attraction to German language – would like to learn it quite a lot. Maybe following week will be a crucial one to finally take some decisive steps in that direction...

You’re not Robinson Crusoe mate...

 

[whitecoast]

Hey Yozilla. What decisive steps did you have in mind to take next week? And there's no reason you can't start learning German now. A recent thread about learning languages has been active. As for waiting for the right job to come, you could take one less-than-perfect job temporarily while you continue to search elsewhere, since you'd at least be in the country then.

 

[Mari]

Hi Yozilla,


I´ve moved to Germany some 3,5 years ago and didn´t regret it (so far).

Most of them were electrician positions, which require frequent traveling and changing areas of residence – i prefer to be located in one area.

Perhaps you can start with position like that and see it as an opportunity to travel around the country and get to know people, places and language. :)
And once you are there, you can search for a new job on German job portals.
Plus, you will then have an experience and an actual "German" job in your CV.

The thing is; what I´ve learned (at least in my branch) is that your job background is very important. Once you prove yourself to be good in your job and your (future) employers see that you´ve already worked in Germany, then you can more easily find a nice steady job anywhere.

Kind regards,
Marija

 

[Yozilla]

Hey Yozilla. What decisive steps did you have in mind to take next week? And there's no reason you can't start learning German now. A recent thread about learning languages has been active. As for waiting for the right job to come, you could take one less-than-perfect job temporarily while you continue to search elsewhere, since you'd at least be in the country then.

One of decisive steps would be to stop being picky about employment offers and get out of current toxic social dynamics that i am involved in (another D step). Also i'm following LL thread and Gaby's idea there of total immersion sounds most efficient one...

Perhaps you can start with position like that and see it as an opportunity to travel around the country and get to know people, places and language. :)
And once you are there, you can search for a new job on German job portals.
Plus, you will then have an experience and an actual "German" job in your CV.

The thing is; what I´ve learned (at least in my branch) is that your job background is very important. Once you prove yourself to be good in your job and your (future) employers see that you´ve already worked in Germany, then you can more easily find a nice steady job anywhere.

Kind regards,
Marija

Thx Mari some good points in line with some of my thoughts about it

 

[Learner]

Hi Yozilla,

you've received some good advice already. I agree with others that grabbing the first opportunity that comes your way job-wise can help you gain some footing from where you can move on later. And another plus: if you know more people by travelling around, you can practice your German language skills in different regions and it may open up further job possibilities on the way, including recommendations or even a better position with permanent residence (maybe even with the same employer).

German language skills are indeed a big plus in Germany, when it comes to employers looking out for employees. Another language thread besides of that already named, in case you do not follow it yet: For foreign language learners

Once in Germany, in case of a job that involves less moving around, there are several resident institutions that offer German language courses for foreigners. One is the Volkshochschule (Folk High School / adult education centre), another one is the Goetheinstitut. Volkshochschule is present in many cities, while Goetheinstitut can be found in few cities only. But they have an online option as well. With the Goethe option, the average price per course can go from several 100 € to far above 1000 €.

Volkshochschule is less expensive, but their prices will depend on the respective institution and in which city it resides. And there are many private German language providers too, with varying prices.

However, there's a host of other online options (besides Goethe) you can use, especially if you'd have to move around a lot. One app you can use for free is Duolingo.

My few cents

 

[Aiming]

Hi Yozilla,

I agree as well: if you're serious about moving to Germany, you wouldn't want to wait for THE perfect job, otherwise it could turn out to take much longer for you to make the step, or even never make the step, because you'd keep waiting. Just something to consider when the 'it-must-be-perfect-right-from-the-beginning'-thing starts kicking in. As others said, you can begin by taking a reasonably fitting job offer at the beginning and with time, while proving yourself and improving your language skills and getting to know the way things work in Germany, you can move on to another job.

On top of that, I concur that starting to learn the language now is highly advisable. For one, electricians are needed here, and if you reach level B2 you'll easily get a well-paid and good job here. Consider, that you'll also have to be able communicate with customers fairly well. Even with B1 your chances are good. So, best to get started now.

 

[Yozilla]

Yes very good points aiming, i know exactly what are you talking about since i've been negotiating with different companies for almost two years . The main catch that i am telecomm electroniker - not pristine elktriker - so it's one of reasons why i am a little bit scared of coming to Germany. Many of those companies /agencies who contacted me insisted on papers (just sign it, just sign it - calling almost every day - and start on Montag ) - too weird... meanwhile i continue to compulsively apply on many other job posts. so today i had an interview for an electrician position in slaughterhouse in NEDERLaNDS At east German is not required - just English. Whatta mess

 

[bianca etezete]

Hey Mari,
if you feel drawn to Gemany and it is easy for you to get a job, well then do it.

Allow me to make a remark you might wanna think about. For me as a German my first impression when reading your post was: Ha! That is funny. Someone wants to move to here - while I know a lot of german peeps dreaming about going away from Germany.

 

[Ursus Minor]

Allow me to make a remark you might wanna think about. For me as a German my first impression when reading your post was: Ha! That is funny. Someone wants to move to here - while I know a lot of german peeps dreaming about going away from Germany.

I'll have to admit that it was my first thought too.
(Which only goes to show that I'm a pessimist which is probably considered as sub-standard on this forum.)

But then again, any place in Europe north of the Alps might be an unfitting place to live in the future. ❄

de.statista.com/ Emigration from Germany

de.statista.com/ Immigration to Germany

So there have been roughly 4.4 million people leaving Germany from 2014 to 2017.
Statista doesn't say that all of these people were holding a German passport though.

On the other hand, within the same time span there were 8 million people moving to Germany (by whatever means).
All of these must have been at least registered in Germany but I understand that the authorities are disseminating German passports quite liberally...

I'm sorry, I was just elaborating on the common impression etezete and myself had on this subject.

I hope, Yozilla, you won't perceive any of it as discouragement.

I actually find the thought of a well-known forumite moving to Germany quite exhilarating.

 

[Andrew]

This is awesome! I've always been drawn to Germany myself (possibly Karmic too!) and undertook German language studies some years ago. Always wanted to visit as it felt like 'home' but something would always get in the way. Love the language so much! Good luck to you Yozilla and I hope you end up there if that's where you truly want to be and start learning the language now instead of later. Keep us posted on your transition!

 

[Aiming]

Yes very good points aiming, i know exactly what are you talking about since i've been negotiating with different companies for almost two years . The main catch that i am telecomm electroniker - not pristine elktriker - so it's one of reasons why i am a little bit scared of coming to Germany. Many of those companies /agencies who contacted me insisted on papers (just sign it, just sign it - calling almost every day - and start on Montag ) - too weird... meanwhile i continue to compulsively apply on many other job posts.

Well, of course it's important to be discerning. Do ask your questions during a job interview, research the company that's offering the job (are they reputable?), weigh the different job offers, and then make your choice - if that's what you really want.

The reason I brought up the point of how your first job doesn't have to be 'perfect' is the following: You say you've been at the job search for two years. Thing is, moving to another country is a big step, it means moving out of your comfort zone, out of the known into the unknown. So there's fear involved, insecurities, doubts. Those will kick in automatically, it's normal for them to come up and so it's helpful to be prepared for them and navigating them. In other words, if you really want to do it, this fear of the unknown is your 'companion' during the process - until you have done it and become more and more comfortable in what was before unknown.

So perhaps that helps to become aware of what's hindering you inside, and this might help to eventually do take the step and accept a reasonable job offer, and then go from there.

 

[bianca etezete]

I have to apologize for mistaking Mari as Yozilla, sorry to mix you two up! And I'd like to emphasize that I also did not mean to discourage you, not at all. I myself seem to be anchored here in my birthtown. Never left, not even for my studies. And I love my hometown, very much.

 

[Yozilla]

But then again, any place in Europe north of the Alps might be an unfitting place to live in the future.

Yeah, i am thinking of that too, and it makes me even more hesitant

Well, of course it's important to be discerning. Do ask your questions during a job interview, research the company that's offering the job (are they reputable?), weigh the different job offers, and then make your choice - if that's what you really want.

I was generally contacted by agencies like Work in time, Ideale jobs which are intermediaries, some kind of leasing employers to interested companies - and some of them even have almost identical web sites 🕸. Fishy.

Oh and i would like to attend some German classes aber ich bin keine Pfenig fur mehrere jahren

So i am stuck at the bottom of Crapatia, and i've been burnt with both fire and ice innumerable times that i am almost paralised or - as some acquaintances of mine sez - lazy (Althought they saw me in action when they needed some help). It depends on ones' angle i can only guess.