My Country - Desintegration of society

[msante]

Well, I was not sure about the place to post this; First I thought post it on The Real World but then I thought that since these are just thoughts and is "in my mind", well, this would be a good place.

Some days ago I was talking with a friends of mine about politics' changes in latin american during the last years. If you are not up to date about this, it can be summarized (sorry, maybe too much summarized) as the fall of many progressist governments (Brasil, Argentina, Venezuela - it is in progress there, Paraguay, … and also Bolivia and Ecuador has had many problems though it seems that they are more solid and are enduring better the external pressure from foreign influence - aka Western Empire’s influence).

The changes in political terms go in the line of this new governments running a neoliberal agenda with the obvious results: more poverty, social inequality, growing violence, state repression for silence dissidents' voices, etc.

The specific topic we were talking about was the increase of social violence taking the shape of horrible crimes (really very horrible). We were talking about femicides and the way they have increased and others very violent crimes (as stick-up that finish with thieves burning the victims, or children frightfully murdered, or people tortured and murdered although the thieves had already got the money, etc). Although this is not new and this kind of things happens from long time ago it seems that they are growing exponentially from some time to today.

I guess that as the wave is more and more near to us it can intensify the people’s polarization to one side or another, so it would be logic see in this times this kind of events happens here and there with more frequency and intensity. Also there is the possibility that negatives entities/energies use this times of chaos to take advantage and act up.

While we were talking a thought (nothing new) arose in my mind: just as one person can attract some kind of negatives energies that match with his/her inner self/state, large groups of people with a similar inner self/state, all of them together resonating and anchoring energies of the same nature could turn into a “gang of criminals” and cause much damage.

Then I thought that the change of government in my country (Argentina) had created the propitious field to make emerge this “bunch of criminals”; also I guess they used to be more inhibited in another context where the rulers, the law, and the society work so to speak more in balance and more awareness. The new government has raised the police repression and has created a general sense of impunity in front of the most heinous crimes, turning victims almost in criminals and putting strong focus on the rights of the criminals until it is proven that they are guilty. So they are freed and transgress again the law (and again, and again,...)

So it seems that the political leaders that rule a nation are a really important piece in the plans of 4D STS forces to create chaos in our world. But also the peoples that are under this rulers play an important role since in a sense they choose this "bad guys". I know, there is propaganda and a big system that is created to delude peoples and seduce them to take “the wrong choice” but the reality is in front of us, and if we do not see it maybe we are as responsible as they.

From the arrive of Mauricio Macri (the new president of my country) to the power just 11 months ago there are millions of new poor people, hundreds of thousands lose their jobs, you can see many people (even many children!) living on the streets,... all this is very evident, too much visible for not notice it,... Moreover you can see every day common people closing their eyes with an apathetic attitude,... I know, I am affected by all this and maybe I am biased about all this because I am in the middle of this situation, but every time that I think about all this I can not avoid feel that we, the argentinian people in this case (sure there is others in similar situation), are just in the place/situation that we have chosen, and this is hopeless and really sad.

Just thoughts in my mind...

 

[Phill4]

While we were talking a thought (nothing new) arose in my mind: just as one person can attract some kind of negatives energies that match with his/her inner self/state, large groups of people with a similar inner self/state, all of them together resonating and anchoring energies of the same nature could turn into a “gang of criminals” and cause much damage.

I think this is an important observation, it made me think for a moment about all the people here in the US in dissonance with one another when a bunch were sided with Hillary and a bunch with Trump, everyone going in a different direction.
The whole idea that the social polarity is fertil ground for entites to emerge, grown and attach is important in many ways.

In that sense, what we do, in a daily basis, serves as a light in darkness, individually, in a community, socially and universally. We also call these energies so they can interact through us.

People are desintegrating everywhere and putting Argentina in this contexts from your observations, in the sense that inpunity attracts entities that know will thrive in these environments, gives us a perspective to look at the situation in "energetic" terms.

Thanks for sharing msante.

 

[sedenion]

Then I thought that the change of government in my country (Argentina) had created the propitious field to make emerge this “bunch of criminals”; also I guess they used to be more inhibited in another context where the rulers, the law, and the society work so to speak more in balance and more awareness. The new government has raised the police repression and has created a general sense of impunity in front of the most heinous crimes, turning victims almost in criminals and putting strong focus on the rights of the criminals until it is proven that they are guilty. So they are freed and transgress again the law (and again, and again,...)

Interesting. Same here, in France since 15 years, but much more since 5 years... maybe the same in many other coutry. I think the intent is the follow: while people are occupied with delinquency and social chaos, they don't have time to rebell against the power. This keep people trapped between the government and the delinquency (or even terrorism). https://geostrategieblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/25/government-by-chaos/

 

[Yas]

Interesting thoughts msante! Thanks for sharing!

I usually think along the same lines about my country, Paraguay. What I see in people here is that most tend to put forward the idea of the country as a victim of a war that happened so long ago. We had a huge war against Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay:

The Paraguayan War, also known as the War of the Triple Alliance and the Great War in Paraguay, was a South American war fought from 1864 to 1870 between Paraguay and the Triple Alliance of Argentina, the Empire of Brazil, and Uruguay. With an estimated 400,000 deaths, the war was the deadliest and bloodiest in Latin America's history. It particularly devastated Paraguay, which suffered catastrophic losses in population - almost 70% of its adult male population died, according to some counts - and was forced to cede territory to Argentina and Brazil. According to some estimates, Paraguay's pre-war population of 525,000 was reduced to 221,000 of which only 28,000 were men.

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War

It sure was devastating for a country that was developing quite well before that. But to blame it all on our neighbors is misleading. Paraguay leaders had their guilt in leading to such war as well, and also, some countries endured devastation but could also rise afterwards. So this blaming just seems to promote hatred and avoidance of responsibility.

Corruption is widespread here as it is in most of the world and we can be called a "Banana Republic" too. It's one of the countries with more poverty in Latin America, as well. And people are very indifferent too. Believe or not, some people here look up to Argentinians as a model of a population that actually protest against injustice, while Paraguayans are much more compliant with whatever comes to them. Crime is rising as well. And I think we can't expect things to be different when the social conditions are so dire.

I agree with you that there must be other factors at play, such as the information field and what certain people attract, as well as what people choose to see and to do, The Wave, as you mention, and probably some sort of collective karmic experience. I can't know about this factors, but it's good to reflect on them as well.

On a more "mundane" (probably) level, I tend to think that most people depend on their environment for their development and that if our leaders create an environment which is completely corrupted, most people will tend to become corrupted and will be more likely to choose the inconvenient (for all, in the long term), and if we have criminal leaders, criminality will tend to be condoned and people will be more likely to commit crimes. We find this ideas in Political Ponerology, the Authoritarians, etc... Therefore, even though there is responsibility in each person to see and to choose, there is a huge importance on leadership so that they can guide, inspire and create an environment where people can choose better. I think that's why is SO important to demonize and/or kill leaders that have the power to do this. And, maybe, if people where allowed to have such an environment, leadership would still be an important part but it will be less necessary because they would tend to make better choices... but, this might be too idealistic considering the current conditions in which we live.

Just some thoughts in response to your thoughts... fwiw...

 

[Alejo]

I find this to be quite interesting as well,

I remember hearing stories from both Colombia and Venezuela in which people have reached a level of cruelty that is beyond the very gains of stealing or rape. I've read cases of mothers that have had their babies stolen from their womb in the street (!!!). Women who get their hair stolen, people who get attacked in the street with acid, and the horrendous cases of impalement that have captured the headlines. Also of the rise of cultic magical practices such as Santeria and so on.

And north of the equator we have the cruelty with gang violence and the drug trafficking violence, we all remember these 43 students from ayotzinapa in Mexico. Without forgetting how deadly journalism has become across the region. Further north we have the senseless police shootings and violence, shootings, stabbing and hostage situations, cases of cannibalism and outrageous crime of mothers/fathers against their sons and daughters.

In terms of the wave, I remember vaguely reading once that this wave is bringing along a whole set of beings who intend to take advantage of the situation. And perhaps it's harvesting time and all this negative energy the world over is ripe for it.

Besides the government and leaders factor, at a societal level there's also the immense influence of gadgets and devices, kids that can't yet read are somehow hooked on some sort of device now. And this goes all the way up to grandma. I think the C's once said that these devices were loved by disincarnate entities. And this is purely speculative, but the rise in madness sort of matches the rise of devices and EM signals the world over. Which also matches the swing from left to right in Latin America.

So perhaps the leadership of a country is a reflection of this country's mental/spiritual state, something that then creates a negative feedback loop between the people and the leader? As in, a moral breakdown in society takes place which causes them to elect a particular leader, this leader will in turn behave in corrupt ways that will then reflect back to its population, who in turn will emulate such behavior and so on.

I hope that it makes sense. Just my two cents

 

[angelburst29]

I agree, interesting thoughts Msante, about the situation in your country Argentina and the circumstances it's population is made to live under and also in Yas's country, Paraguay. Unfortunately, it puts me to shame to recognize that the United States and it's elite connections are the major undercurrent that is fostering the turmoil and degradation in living standards. They love their Power-plays and means of control.

It's beneficial to look outside your immediate surroundings of family and community, to observe the wider picture of what your Government and Country are doing, in it's Social and economic programs and where financial stability lies, because it affects you directly. Observing the Political environment is also important but it tends to be one sided because it's rare the people are allowed to voice their opinion or offer suggestions without retaliation of some sort. In the meantime, the majority of the population struggles to keep a roof over their heads and a means to support themselves and keep food on the table. You might not be able to change the Politics that governs your life, at the moment but you can help yourself and your loved ones by making your immediate surroundings, home and family a priority. Your home or living area can become "a base operation" and eventually expand outward to help other's like yourself in the Community. Priorities should include a decent food supply and a means to acquire what is needed - to keep the household running and secure. Food, water and proper clothing are basic necessaries, no matter where you live. Many in the U.S. are also struggling to keep their heads above water. As you have probably noticed, our recent U.S. Presidential election and it's Politics are just as chaotic?

This article gives some idea of the Power plays that is affecting your respective Countries and who's behind them.

Latin America in Focus
http://katehon.com/article/latin-america-focus

Most analysts believe that the world is now at a major crossroads between two blocks that are configured as antagonistic, one represented by the US, NATO and the EU on one side, and the other made up of Russia, China, the BRICS and the Shanghai group. The confrontation between the two sides is developed on a global scale, affecting South America too.

The American continent is undoubtedly one of the main poles of this new geopolitical arrangement. Some people speak of a new tripolar order consisting of the US, Russia, and China, but the American continent remains the game board upon which many of the movements fight and make their moves in the global geopolitical game. The continent itself is divided into the American bloc and its hinterlands on the one hand, including the Caribbean, Central America where the US’ interests are also prevalent, and the countries of the south belonging to the regional “Pacific Alliance,” Chile Peru, Colombia, and Mexico.

On the other hand, against this block there are such initiatives as the Union of South American Nations, UNASUR (and their economic integration, MERCOSUR, comprising Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, Venezuela and Bolivia), and ALBA (Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba, Ecuador, Nicaragua, etc.).

Some geopoliticians, avoiding the division between North America and South America, draw the line of geopolitical influence of American power at the top of the Amazon rainforest. From there, operations against Venezuela’s Maduro, and yesterday against Chavez, or the coup in Honduras, are interpreted as attempts by the US to regain control over the whole area, which affects other developments (the speculative oil price crash incited by Wall Street banks was not only directed against the Maduro government, but also against Russia and Iran).

Naturally, these destabilization operations also include, in addition to Venezuela, the Brazilian giant (a member of BRICS), which is currently immersed in the process of impeaching its president. Together with the political upheaval in Argentina, a new situation is unfolding in which a neoliberal offensive in three important South American nations is strengthening US power while undermining the political and economic processes which have over recent years aimed to establish a multipolar reality against US hegemony.

Contrary to what many argue, this is no longer a confrontation between “progressive” governments and forces and “right-wing” ones, but a battle between “globalists” and “sovereigntists” and those contributing to multipolarity. Although it is not yet entirely inoperative, the classical division between “right” and “left” is becoming obsolete.

Anyway, the fact is that the neoliberal offensive is seeking to return to the US what has always been regarded as its “backyard.” In Argentina, the liberal Macri nipped in the bud the possibility of integrating Argentina into BRICS, instead returning to the “protection of interests” and neoliberal recipes that have had adverse effects on the Argentinian people.

In Venezuela, the collapse of oil prices by almost 70% has brought the country to a critical situation. The wear and tear of the government over the past years has pushed local oligarchies and the opposition into a parliamentary majority, thereby creating an emergency situation in which the opposition is seeking to revoke Maduro’s mandate, similar to what is happening in Brazil.

In Brazil, the opposition has so far managed to take all the steps necessary to carry out a successful, or at least arguable presidential revocation process. It is here that the future is at stake, not just for the antagonistic blocs of South America, but also on the world stage. Indeed, the fall of Brazil to neoliberal networks would be a blow to BRICS, not to mention the sovereigntist structures of UNASUR/MERCOSUR. The “Pacific Alliance” and “Trans-Pacific Partnership” (TPP) would then have free roam. If Brazil falls, the hegemonic power of the US in Latin America would be consolidated, thus representing a geopolitical defeat of Russia, China, and the multipolar front.

 

[msante]

So perhaps the leadership of a country is a reflection of this country's mental/spiritual state, something that then creates a negative feedback loop between the people and the leader? As in, a moral breakdown in society takes place which causes them to elect a particular leader, this leader will in turn behave in corrupt ways that will then reflect back to its population, who in turn will emulate such behavior and so on.

Well Alejo, my interpretation really goes on the same line than you. I think (or feel) that in a sense our leaders are a kind of reflection of the people's mental/spiritual state.

I agree, interesting thoughts Msante, about the situation in your country Argentina and the circumstances it's population is made to live under and also in Yas's country, Paraguay. Unfortunately, it puts me to shame to recognize that the United States and it's elite connections are the major undercurrent that is fostering the turmoil and degradation in living standards. They love their Power-plays and means of control.
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angelburst29, what you said made me think that maybe my local reality is just a small piece of the big "circus", but at the same time, like a sort of fractal, also in a sense it represent the whole situation of this "circus". For example, one year ago we had elections on my country. The people were polarized; ones supporting continuation of progressist gobern of Cristina Fernandez (former president), others, many of them angry people mainly manipulated by propaganda, supporting a change of "winds" to the right-wing. What resulted interesting was that this scenery was a propitious field to obvserve many "properties" of human beings that are well documented on "Political Ponerlogy", "The Authoritarians", and many others materials that we know very well. That's why I thought that in a sense one can see (of course, with its peculiarities) into a small piece of reality a sort of version of the whole picture.