My personal dead dudes

efeuvete

Padawan Learner
Here it is an experience I would like to share:

First, it is not an easy task for me to accept that the fact of dying can be "followed" for whatever I "used to be" not deserving a soul (If I am "Slept Enough", A la Gurdjieff/Ouspensky, which, by the way, doesn't seem very unusual). That obviously, must be because I'm not sure at all of being now "awaken enough".

Second, as far as I've managed to "Work the Work" I must admit that some egos of mine that I've had to put down, looks to me now from "Somehow relearned" up to really inert, forgotten. Then, when I remember how these almost forgotten ones, used to be "so alive"... they look to me now as "personal dead dudes"; Therefore, ones really without a soul, as old clothes used to do what today is clearly nonsense. And I insist: They used to be "so alive"...

And third, I must admit that I, I, was the one who took the soul out of them. (Me?... What me?)
So, "As above so below", looking at what I'm saying here, I can go now to my first point again feeling a little bit stronger.

Do you think I'm cheating myself too much?
 
efeuvete said:
Here it is an experience I would like to share:

First, it is not an easy task for me to accept that the fact of dying can be "followed" for whatever I "used to be" not deserving a soul (If I am "Slept Enough", A la Gurdjieff/Ouspensky, which, by the way, doesn't seem very unusual). That obviously, must be because I'm not sure at all of being now "awaken enough".

I am not sure what you mean here. How can you not be deserving of a soul? I guess in very extreme cases of STS people can go into deevolution and "lose the soul", going back to first density or whatever. But this is not normally the case.

Either you have a soul or you don't, and the fact that you are here and sharing is an indication that you are a souled being. Without a soul you would hardly have the drive or interest in the Work and so on. OSIT

efeuvete said:
Second, as far as I've managed to "Work the Work" I must admit that some egos of mine that I've had to put down, looks to me now from "Somehow relearned" up to really inert, forgotten. Then, when I remember how these almost forgotten ones, used to be "so alive"... they look to me now as "personal dead dudes"; Therefore, ones really without a soul, as old clothes used to do what today is clearly nonsense. And I insist: They used to be "so alive"...

And third, I must admit that I, I, was the one who took the soul out of them. (Me?... What me?)
So, "As above so below", looking at what I'm saying here, I can go now to my first point again feeling a little bit stronger.

Do you think I'm cheating myself too much?

From what I understand, the ego parts you had to "put down" have no soul in them. You may have been identified in them in the past and thought that this is who you are, but that was just a misperception, an illusion. You cannot "take the soul out" of anything in yourself in this way. By removing the ego parts and misperceptions, you get in closer contact with your soul, or higher self.
 
Thanks for your opinion axj; I used to think just as you say, and I would say I still do if... I can. but let me tell you:
I know Gurdjieff has a strong ironic side (I've read "Beelzabub's Tales To His Grandson") but I deeply respect his (And Ouspensky's) knowledge and that's, more or less, what they say:

"Most of human beings have not soul because they live sleeping and, most of them will arrive to death still slept and without it; And, to be awaken is not an easy task at all"

So, if that is more true than not, then leads me to ask to myself things like this:

- How much slept am I?
- How much which I feel awaken in me is really awaken?
- How come I be in the little "right side" and out of the big "wrong side" (The contrary, obviously, would be much easy to be true)
- If anyhow, that's the thing... What kind of pathetic circus is the rest of humans around me?

And, as answers are not too easy for me to find, the best thing I can do is thinking... that what I've posted.
 
efeuvete said:
Thanks for your opinion axj; I used to think just as you say, and I would say I still do if... I can. but let me tell you:
I know Gurdjieff has a strong ironic side (I've read "Beelzabub's Tales To His Grandson") but I deeply respect his (And Ouspensky's) knowledge and that's, more or less, what they say:

"Most of human beings have not soul because they live sleeping and, most of them will arrive to death still slept and without it; And, to be awaken is not an easy task at all"

Gurdjieff talks about creating a magnetic center through doing the Work, which is not the same thing as having a soul as we use the term here.

Many people have no magnetic center yet, but they do have a soul (higher self) - that is, they are not OP's.
 
axj said:
Gurdjieff talks about creating a magnetic center through doing the Work, which is not the same thing as having a soul as we use the term here.

Many people have no magnetic center yet, but they do have a soul (higher self) - that is, they are not OP's.

I, again, agree with you.
But, anyhow, I would like to have a little talk with Mr Gurdjieff (If I could) in Armenian language (If I could, too)
Meanwhile, let's wait for The Wave (Or to leave this precious body) to understand. This "nearsighted" 3rd Density is way too much tricky.
 
efeuvete said:
Meanwhile, let's wait for The Wave (Or to leave this precious body) to understand. This "nearsighted" 3rd Density is way too much tricky.

Hi efeuvete,

I don't think you'll gain any understanding on these topics by waiting for The Wave or waiting until you're no longer in a body. 3D is tricky because this is all one big school and we're here to learn lessons of a personal and collective sort. To put off those lessons or brush them aside as unimportant until graduation day only ensures that you won't graduate. In other words, how could you expect to get to 4D without knowing everything there is to know about 3D first?
 
RyanX said:
efeuvete said:
Meanwhile, let's wait for The Wave (Or to leave this precious body) to understand. This "nearsighted" 3rd Density is way too much tricky.

Hi efeuvete,

I don't think you'll gain any understanding on these topics by waiting for The Wave or waiting until you're no longer in a body. 3D is tricky because this is all one big school and we're here to learn lessons of a personal and collective sort. To put off those lessons or brush them aside as unimportant until graduation day only ensures that you won't graduate. In other words, how could you expect to get to 4D without knowing everything there is to know about 3D first?

Hey RyanX, My comment was a simple joke!

You see, I'm trying to gain understanding on checking that Gurdjieff idea (Which is somehow demoralizing) but, I agree with axj that Ouspensky seems to be using the word "Soul" when "Magnetic Center" would be the right one and... My simple joke is about the fact that is impossible to check this point today.
 
efeuvete said:
Hey RyanX, My comment was a simple joke!

You see, I'm trying to gain understanding on checking that Gurdjieff idea (Which is somehow demoralizing) but, I agree with axj that Ouspensky seems to be using the word "Soul" when "Magnetic Center" would be the right one and... My simple joke is about the fact that is impossible to check this point today.

Well, my apologies then! :D

In the future you might want to make use of the emotion icons above the text box to signify humor or some other emotion. Just to avoid confusion and all...
 
are you born with a magnetic center?

Does it develop throughout your life?

If you have it but don't feed it then does it die or go away?

To me a magnetic center is reading the work and being interested in it having it ring true or being attracted to it ie Magnetic center i guess this is where the work begins once you arived at this point it is up to you to work - the magnetic center has served its purpose
 
Menna said:
are you born with a magnetic center?

Does it develop throughout your life?

If you have it but don't feed it then does it die or go away?

To me a magnetic center is reading the work and being interested in it having it ring true or being attracted to it ie Magnetic center i guess this is where the work begins once you arived at this point it is up to you to work - the magnetic center has served its purpose

You can find a good basic idea of what "Magnetic Center" is, here:

http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Magnetic_Center

Then, you can go deeper on the concept reading Ouspensky work
 
efeuvete said:
Menna said:
are you born with a magnetic center?

Does it develop throughout your life?

If you have it but don't feed it then does it die or go away?

To me a magnetic center is reading the work and being interested in it having it ring true or being attracted to it ie Magnetic center i guess this is where the work begins once you arived at this point it is up to you to work - the magnetic center has served its purpose

You can find a good basic idea of what "Magnetic Center" is, here:

http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Magnetic_Center

Then, you can go deeper on the concept reading Ouspensky work

Yes, Mouravieff's Gnosis talks about the Magnetic Center in more detail.
 
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