Mysterious snake appears in painting of Queen Elizabeth I

dannybananny

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A late 16th century portrait of Queen Elizabeth I has reveled over time and degradation that she was originally depicted holding a coiled serpent in her hand instead of the innocuous nosegay she holds now. When an earlier image that has been painted over begins to show through, that is known as a pentimento, which means repentance in Italian.

The portrait, painted by an unknown artist, some time in the 1580s or early 1590s, has not been on display at the National Portrait Gallery since 1921. You can clearly see the shadow of the serpent’s coming up from between her fingers and his tail coiling above her hand.

The serpent was a symbol of wisdom and reasoned judgment — as on the rod of Aesculapius, the physicians’ emblem — so that’s probably where our unknown artist was going with the imagery. He changed his mind, though (possibly in consideration of the common association of snakes with the devil and original sin), and quickly painted it over with a strangely-shaped but perfectly inoffensive little bouquet of roses.

Paint analysis shows that the snake was definitely made at the same time as the rest of the portrait. There is no varnish between the snake and flower layers, so we know it was painted right over.

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The artist repented of his creation, if you will, and now the serpent is repenting him right back.

That’s not the only pentimento showing through, though. X-rays show that a portrait of an unknown woman lies underneath Elizabeth. Her head is higher and she’s facing the opposite way.[...]you can actually see her eye and nose in the left side of Elizabeth’s forehead and temple where the paint has chipped off. It looks like an absorbed twin.

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Again the painter is unknown, but he’s definitely not the same person who would paint Elizabeth on the panel later. It’s very thoroughly painted but not quite complete. This lady is wearing a French hood, a garment fashionable from 1570 to 1580, so she might have been on the recycling heap for 10 to 20 years before getting royally repurposed.

The serpent portrait will go on display starting on March 13th along with 3 other interestingly altered paintings of Elizabeth I in an exhibit called Concealed and Revealed: The Changing Faces of Elizabeth I.

The four works range in date from the 1560s until just after her death in 1603. They were all modified in their time and have recently been re-examined using advanced scientific techniques of paint analysis, infrared and x-Ray photography so we can see more of what Elizabeth painters had hidden.

The most famous portrait of Elizabeth in the group, the Darnley portrait, originally showed the Queen with pink and rosy cheeks, so the image of the Virgin Queen always made up with white face and hands may turn out to be more of an artifact of faded paint than Elizabeth beauty standards.

Article from: TheHistoryBlog.com

Very interesting! Who is the women behind Elizabeth that worships lizzards?
 
Heya dannybananny!! Thanks!

Those things on her shoulders look snake-ish... like two from goddess sculpture ala Baalbek? For another similar curiosity, see the French royal family's crystal vases, chalices, cups, etc. on display in the Louvre. Quite creepy, one has a dual head similar to this, but one head is a reptile!
 
dannybananny said:
Very interesting! Who is the women behind Elizabeth that worships lizzards?

I don't think that the face of the woman in the under-painting had anything to do with the snake holding.
 
That's an odd looking snake.... my brother used to own one and I have friend that keep several different types for pets, it doesn't look like any 'snake' I've seen before. It's head is oddly shaped, and it's body doesn't seem to have scales. Perhaps I've over analyzing though. :cool2:
 
Puck said:
That's an odd looking snake.... my brother used to own one and I have friend that keep several different types for pets, it doesn't look like any 'snake' I've seen before. It's head is oddly shaped, and it's body doesn't seem to have scales. Perhaps I've over analyzing though. :cool2:

Yeah, it's more like a horsey-looking eel.

The woman coming through on the forehead was likely just an older portrait that was painted over and it has no relation to the portrait of the Queen. The eel-snake, appears to be clearly part of the Queen's portrait and changed later.
 
And what about this other painting?

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Look at the strange "hose" that holds his right hand, serpent embroidered on her dress (it will be having a heart?), And eyes all over her dress. :huh:
 
The "hose" is transparent - and they had `plastic'
hoses in those days? :P

Note that the picture appears to be cropped - due to
the missing letters in the middle, left side.

And the serpent on the left arm? Odd. Perhaps the
Queen is a member of the 'brother/sister"=hood of
the serpents? Pure speculation.

Besides the 'eyes', there is also the ears and mouths...

Notice that on her lace, there is an odd oblong object
and the only one in her lace - I zoomed out as far as
I could go and cannot quite identify it. Looks like an
iron glove? Gauntlet?

The serpent seems to be holding a heart-looking jewel
in it's mouth and some kind of a "globe" on top of it's head.

Very odd picture indeed.

Are you sure this image was not manipulated or simplty
a hoax?

I also googled 'elizabeth i portraits' and there are several
found therein. Will see if I can get an authentic source
located...

See: _http://www.tudorhistory.org/elizabeth/rainbow.jpg

Geez, there is just to many weird things I am finding as well,
look at that "rock/buolder" behind William III and you tell me
what it looks like? Lizard? Coincidence? Is google playing
games or what!?!?!?

See: _http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2700000/Elizabeth-I-of-England-The-Darnley-Portrait-kings-and-queens-2710388-800-1170.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fanpop.com/spots/kings-and-queens/images/2710388/title/elizabeth-england-darnley-portrait&h=1170&w=800&sz=838&tbnid=l82UdHMoNK1FPM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3DElizabeth%2BI%2B%2B%2BPortrait&usg=__4kuGMCQLVPUZb7CqL3Zv5KfMxug=&ei=foiaS4bVEoHUsgOjm5V-&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=9&ct=image&ved=0CBkQ9QEwCA


I have gone through googles "King and Queens" image gallery and most
of the images I have looked at were "plain". But of "Elizabeth I of England"
images most of these seems to have some embedded symbolism hidden
somewhere. This is interesting,,,,

See this one: _http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2700000/Elizabeth-I-of-England-The-Darnley-Portrait-kings-and-queens-2710388-800-1170.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fanpop.com/spots/kings-and-queens/images/2710388/title/elizabeth-england-darnley-portrait&h=1170&w=800&sz=838&tbnid=l82UdHMoNK1FPM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3DElizabeth%2BI%2B%2B%2BPortrait&usg=__4kuGMCQLVPUZb7CqL3Zv5KfMxug=&ei=foiaS4bVEoHUsgOjm5V-&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=9&ct=image&ved=0CBkQ9QEwCA

1) Her foot on the sword-hilt
2) Of the three people on her left, there is some sort of an orb... hard to make it out.
3) In her right hand is some sort of a branch she is holding up...

And this one: _http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2700000/Elizabeth-I-of-England-The-Darnley-Portrait-kings-and-queens-2710388-800-1170.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fanpop.com/spots/kings-and-queens/images/2710388/title/elizabeth-england-darnley-portrait&h=1170&w=800&sz=838&tbnid=l82UdHMoNK1FPM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3DElizabeth%2BI%2B%2B%2BPortrait&usg=__4kuGMCQLVPUZb7CqL3Zv5KfMxug=&ei=foiaS4bVEoHUsgOjm5V-&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=9&ct=image&ved=0CBkQ9QEwCA

There is some things "out of place" in this picture:
1) The guy's face on her right - why is HE in this picture looking like he does?
Isn't this' Elizabeth's portrait!?!?
2) Seems that her waist is out of place (vanishing point)) and something is
lurking in the black space in the left side, it is red and looks like... a dragon?
3) If you follow her left arm, you see the "normal flow" which you see her hand but
oddly, what is that skin-color in the right-lower corner?

Odd picture

See: _http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2700000/Elizabeth-I-of-England-The-Darnley-Portrait-kings-and-queens-2710388-800-1170.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fanpop.com/spots/kings-and-queens/images/2710388/title/elizabeth-england-darnley-portrait&h=1170&w=800&sz=838&tbnid=l82UdHMoNK1FPM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3DElizabeth%2BI%2B%2B%2BPortrait&usg=__4kuGMCQLVPUZb7CqL3Zv5KfMxug=&ei=foiaS4bVEoHUsgOjm5V-&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=9&ct=image&ved=0CBkQ9QEwCA

1) Serpents on her arms?
2) Cannot identify the unique crest below her left shoulder
3) Cannot understand the "jewels" above her right hand, holding a fan
4) Cannot understand the gnarly "flowers" above/below the "fleur-de-leis" or whatever it is on her dress.
Maybe it is nothing?

IN many of her portraits, she has what appears to be an impossible waist and
her face appears to be quite different from portrait to portrait. Odd.

There is probably more to see, but I'll stop here and move on...

Hmm.... maybe someone is onto something here?
 
The woman coming through on the forehead was likely just an older portrait that was painted over and it has no relation to the portrait of the Queen

I don't think that the face of the woman in the under-painting had anything to do with the snake holding.

I think you are right! Probably it doesn't have nothing to do with first painting, royalty was always involved in occult practices and "alchemy"! This reminded me of Alfa Romeo sign with snake eating human because every day I pass by Alfa Romeo store and there is their big sign and you can't miss that human in snake mouth!

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Heya dannybananny!! Thanks!

It was my pleasure! :)
 
Seems both paintings are symbolic. The second is a real mystery...
Laura said:
What the heck IS that strange thing she is holding?
This from an art-related site:
Elizabeth's right hand holds a rainbow with the Latin inscription 'Non sine sole iris' ('No rainbow without the sun').
A rainbow? :huh:

Apparently there is a bit of controversy as to who the actual painter was.
 
darthdo said:
And what about this other painting?

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Look at the strange "hose" that holds his right hand, serpent embroidered on her dress (it will be having a heart?), And eyes all over her dress. :huh:

Not only eyes all over her dress, but ears, too.

And that thing she is holding is bizarro. :/
 
darthdo said:
And what about this other painting?

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Hello at all! :)

I have a little bit searched with Google after the picture with the "strange thing", i have found more and this could be of interest or we receive perhaps more clues.

Queen Elizabeth I:
"Daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn. She's known as "The Virgin Queen".
This portrait is known as the "Rainbow Portrait." Artist unknown c 1600."

From a other site,i think this site is good for a little overview in general and for the pictures about Queen Elizabeth I. I find this is one interesting interpretation and it shows us more the symbols in the picture named "Rainbow Portrait".

Quote:
"Elizabeth's gown is embroidered with English wildflowers, thus allowing the queen to pose in the guise of Astraea, the virginal heroine of classical literature. Her cloak is decorated with eyes and ears, implying that she sees and hears all. Her headdress is an incredible design decorated lavishly with pearls and rubies and supports her royal crown. The pearls symbolize her virginity; the crown, of course, symbolizes her royalty. Pearls also adorn the transparent veil which hangs over her shoulders. Above her crown is a crescent-shaped jewel which alludes to Cynthia, the goddess of the moon.

A jeweled serpent is entwined along her left arm, and holds from its mouth a heart-shaped ruby. Above its head is a celestial sphere. The serpent symbolizes wisdom; it has captured the ruby, which in turn symbolizes the queen's heart. In other words, the queen's passions are controlled by her wisdom. The celestial sphere echoes this theme; it symbolizes wisdom and the queen's royal command over nature.

Elizabeth's right hand holds a rainbow with the Latin inscription 'Non sine sole iris' ('No rainbow without the sun'). The rainbow symbolizes peace, and the inscription reminds viewers that only the queen's wisdom can ensure peace and prosperity.

Elizabeth was in her late sixties when this portrait was made, but for iconographic purposes she is portrayed as young and beautiful, more than mortal. In this portrait, she is ageless. "

h t t p://www.marileecody.com/eliz1-images.html

Here,we have a other very different interpretation of this picture of Elizabeth ,it´s only the summary over a dissertation.I think here could be a good clue for the next step,a interpretation of a deeper meaning.

Quote:
"This work re-interprets the symbolism of the emblematic "Rainbow" portrait
(c. 1600) of Elizabeth I. The traditional title comes from the identification of the rainbow in the portrait as that of Genesis 9:13. In fact, this work demonstrates, it is the philosophers' rainbow, a cryptonym for the colors--black, red, white-- of the three stages of alchemic transmutation: purification, illumination, perfection. Elizabeth is represented as the Faery Queen, the alchemical monarch-- historically the pre-Homeric Hecate--who transmutes not only the brazen world of her subjects but their brassy selves as well. In the text the portrait is therefore designated the "Alchemists' Rainbow" portrait, the AR portrait for convenience. The historical phenomena investigated have suffered cultural amnesia."

Found here:
h t t p://www.esoteric.msu.edu/Dissertations/Alchemy_PhD.ht ml

Maybe this could be of interest,i find this article very interesting too :

Quote:
"During the middle of the nineteenth century, a style of art emerged that was in a striking contrast to the staidism of the age, and which contributed to the re-emergence of the goddess in the western mind: Pre-Raphaelitism. Through this art, the goddess, and in particular, the dark goddess, was manifested at a time central to the spiritual evolution of England, and the world.

The recent history of England is punctuated by periods during which there were resurgence in matter magickal, or during which a new, or rediscovered, way of looking at the world was adopted. There are three such magickal periods in particular, and each was at a time a queen was on the throne. Under the rule of Elizabeth 1 (1533-1603), magick came to the fore in the form of her court astrologer, Dr John Dee. Dee advised Elizabeth on the most propitious dates on which to conduct her affairs, including the date of her coronation. In turn, her matronage allowed Dee to develop and explore his unique system of angelic occultism, Enochian magick, which is still with us today. Such was Dee’s stature that it is widely thought that he was the template -for the magian figure of Prospero in Shakespeare’s The Tempest. Shakespeare’s vast corpus, and the hermetically themed Globe theatre, were also part of England’s magickal awakening, as was the work of Bacon; who, to some, was Shakespeare himself. .... ..... "

more here:
h t t p://shadowlight.gydja.com/preraphaelite.html
(i have it not so with art but i find this style and the pics very interesting and nice)

Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood
h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Raphaelite_Brotherhood
 
Laura said:
dannybananny said:
Very interesting! Who is the women behind Elizabeth that worships lizzards?

I don't think that the face of the woman in the under-painting had anything to do with the snake holding.

Nor do I. I think it's simply that 'once upon a time' the worship of snakes, or at least their representational symbol, (particularly by those individuals in great positions of power) was something that was less to be done in secret but rather a symbol of position, or office, or stature. It aludes to the supernatural power one was intended to feel for ones' monarch. Of course, we can also see that this is equally intended to induce supplicant behaviour in a population conditioned to accept such imagery as indicative of 'ones better'; we can break that conditioning; with knowledge and discerning thought.

As a child I had a rather large volume of "Odd Facts" that may or may not have had its origins in a Readers' Digest offer.
I learned of a painting (and think a b/w version was an inset illustration) of Queen Elizabeth holding a snake, I also think it said something about her liking snakes, perhaps even referencing their esoteric symbolism; that she rarely bathed; that she was bald (or perhaps simply had shortly shorn?) hair and wore a wig.
I learned that, among other oddball trivia & facts, and for some reason at least this particular bit of Queen E. facts stuck with me.

Unfortunately I don't think I have the book any longer, but if I can unpack a few boxes in the near future and am surprised to find it, I'll post the publications' details & footnotes in order to attempt to verify any statements.
 
darthdo said:
And what about this other painting?


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Look at the strange "hose" that holds his right hand, serpent embroidered on her dress (it will be having a heart?), And eyes all over her dress. :huh:


When I saw the attached picture, it made me think of this at once. :huh:


http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/jul/02/twisted-light-carries-data-over-1-km-in-optical-fibre


A new type of optical fibre that can carry "twisted" light over long distances has been developed by researchers in the US, Israel and Denmark. Their "vortex fibre" and associated encoding and decoding technologies allow data to be transmitted using the orbital angular momentum (OAM) states of light. In principle, the system could be used to increase the rate at which information can be sent along an optical fibre – and could ultimately boost the data-traffic capacity of the Internet.
 

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