Nasa under pressure over 'UFO' - from 2005

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09/12/2005

Pittsburgh - Researchers and witnesses who believe a unidentified flying object (UFO), landed in the woods of western Pennsylvania 40 years ago are marking another anniversary on Friday: two years since a lawsuit was filed to get Nasa to release records of what happened.

A National Aeronautics and Space Administration (Nasa) spokesperson says there's no cover-up - the "UFO" was a Russian satellite, but government records documenting it have been lost.

Leslie Kean, an investigative reporter backed by the Sci-Fi Channel, and a group connected to the cable TV station sued Nasa two years ago under the Freedom of Information Act.

Kean wants files on what happened December 9 1965, in the unincorporated hamlet of Kecksburg, about 48km southeast of Pittsburgh.

Witnesses described a "fireball" in the evening sky, and a metallic, acorn-shaped object about 4-4.5m high and 2-4m in diameter that landed gently in the woods, according to media accounts at the time.

Bid to jumpstart search

Kean's attorney Lee Helfrich said she'll file a new court motion on Friday seeking to "jumpstart" Nasa's search for the information.

"Nasa has been stonewalling for too long, and in the process has given us a great record to show that it's recalcitrant and acting in bad faith," Helfrich said. "What is Nasa trying to hide?"

Nothing, Nasa spokesperson Dave Steitz said.

The object appeared to be a Russian satellite that re-entered the atmosphere and broke up.

Nasa experts studied fragments from the object, but records of what they found were lost in the 1990s, Steitz said.

'Findings were misplaced'

"As a rule, we don't track UFOs. What we could do, and what we apparently did as experts in spacecraft in the 1960s, was to take a look at whatever it was and give our expert opinion," Steitz said. "We did that, we boxed (the case) up and that was the end of it. Unfortunately, the documents supporting those findings were misplaced."

Kean and Helfrich don't believe that explanation.

Kean said Nicholas L Johnson, Nasa's chief scientist for orbital debris, determined the object couldn't be a Russian satellite or any other manmade object, after studying the orbital paths of known satellites and other records from 1965.

Johnson didn't immediately return calls for comment on Thursday to his phone number listed on Nasa's website.

Steitz referred questions on Kean's claims to Nasa's Johnson Space Centre in Houston, which didn't immediately comment.

Witnesses claim military personnel cordoned off the site, removed the object and threatened residents who questioned the incident.

The military later called the object a meteor.

On Saturday, Kean, Helfrich and others connected to a Sci Fi Channel documentary will speak at the Kecksburg fire hall, where a mock-up of the object is on permanent display.
 
Saw the Sci-fi channel show when they covered Kecksburg, did a good job, convinced me.

The big tip off was the way that they handled the locals, esp the local radio personality who did a 180 after he was interogated by a half dozen suits. The info came from his secretary who couldnt hear the discussion but thought it odd that they were talking to him for over an hour or so and were obviously threatening him with something. She claimed that he appeared "white as a ghost" and "scared to death" when they had finished and he refused to talk about anything that had transpired.

And i mean... "misplaced"? Just like JFK's head, all thousands of pages relating to the assassination. I can't believe they still use that excuse and stonewall based on it.

"No really, they're just gone... can't find em anywhere! We'd love to answer your questions, but we just can't...."

::sniff sniff:: yeap, smells like crap.
 
It is truly bizzare that the one agency (NASA)-who should be the MOST interested agency in trying to get to the bottom of the UFO phenomenon follows suit in the behavior of all Government controlled drones.

IS not the primary goal of this agency to explore space and search for signs of LIFE? Who said that just because that life is perhaps coming HERE instead of having to go out and LOOK for it-that it invalidates the existence of NASA or it's primary mission?

Perhaps it makes them feel inferior-and antiquated- to be exposed to technology far in advance of what they(NASA) has to offer. After all these guys (**ETBE's) are zipping around the cosmos with hyperdrive or what have you and we are still clunking around in liquid fuel rockets that may or may not blow up.

This type of behavior in my mind indicates that there is something more to this whole scheme of things-WHY ELSE would every agency that has had ample opportunity to delve into this thing first hand done everything possible to deny the reality and come up with cock-a-mamie explanations to "make it go away"?

Perhaps it WAS just a Russian probe-but why then the reluctance to release any information regarding it?

After all any "secret" technology such a probe contained would be seriously out dated- and de-classified by now, surely-unless it was the FACT that a Soviet made craft came down in US territory and there was /is something about that, which must be contained-that is the reason-but they have already let the cat out of the bag by telling us it WAS a Soviet probe-so what's the big deal?

Like Roswell there will probably be no closure on this important case and it will simply remain to mere speculation and "fringe" conspiracy theories.

**Extra Terrestrial Biological Entities-

Interesting aside!!-while I am online posting two FIGHTER jets came screaming right over downtown area where I work-very low and fast-bank and come back around for another pass-I mean they were vitually at roof top level!
Wonder what they were chasing????!!! WOW!
 
Sorry for my not fluent english!

It looks very normal this NASA attitude, when you search in the origins of NASA you can find some interesting peoples like Russel, Von Braun and many NAZI scientists. They all worked on special programs before been kept by the USA.
When you go donw in the second war it is today known that the story behind was some secret societys like Skull and bones continuing just in another country. For example W Von Braun was known in Germany to be a crazy scientist full in NAZI meaning. Curiously his evaluation said : "not nazi activism" . Let me laugh...
In fact NASA discovered in the begining of 40 the existence of extraterrestrial intelligencies and developped two parallels programs : "official NASA space conquest" and "military antigravity programs". We can be sure that the pressure is very high on NASA to let them filtrated some minor stuff.
Some Ufos are "Made in USA" but the problem today is that all don't come from Bushland and it will be more and more difficult to maintain the secret.
Have you seen what happends in Mexico, since begining of year there have be seen thousands and thousands ufos and the world will have to see more since we know that they are visble on infrared cameras and not on natural view.
 
It's all politics. The politics of deception and misinformation that is.
IMHO NASA is just a front for a more active covert government space programme.

Cheers
 
Triangle said:
Have you seen what happends in Mexico, since begining of year there have be seen thousands and thousands ufos and the world will have to see more since we know that they are visble on infrared cameras and not on natural view.
Hi Triangle. Have you got a link for that?

I remember the ones in Campeche that were taken in video by a military plane, but that was more than a year ago. So what else has happened?
 
My friend here it is.
The truth will come out next....



http://files.filefront.com/Jaime+Maussan+++UFO+Conference/;4915283;;/fileinfo.html
 
The mexico ufo incident: google search: "Mexico infrared UFO" and
there is a LOT of links there. One I like is:

BBC NEWS | Americas | Mexico pilots release 'UFO film'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3707057.stm
 
I revived the thread because it mentionned Leslie Kean who just released a book about UFOs

The synopsis :

The reality of UFOs—a subject of intense interest to the general public —has now been verified at the highest levels. Based on a ten-year investigation, journalist Leslie Kean’s new book pulls back the curtain on the incredible occurrences of unexplained behavior by unknown objects over many decades, and the results are astonishing.

We know that of all UFO sightings reported, 95 percent can be explained as ordinary phenomena. However, within that remaining 5 percent, spectacular well-documented UFO events have been officially investigated by government agencies around the world, yet no conventional explanations were found.

In combination with her own insightful research, Kean has brought together over a dozen highly credible aviation witnesses and official investigators – including five generals and a former U.S. governor – who reveal the facts about UFOs in riveting, personal accounts written exclusively for this book. John Podesta, White House Chief of Staff to President Clinton and co-chair of President Obama’s transition team, provides a foreword. Kean offers a practical and achievable plan for US Government involvement in a step-by-step process to uncover what these unidentified objects are – and ultimately, what they may mean for all of us.

_http://ufosontherecord.com/


I haven't read it but it seems that it's another cointelpro book but I could be wrong of course.
 
Leslie Kean on the Colbert Report

This is a (sort of) refreshing surfacing of the UFO topic in the (sort of) mainstream:

http://www.colbertnation.com/full-episodes/mon-august-23-2010-leslie-kean

Colbert is pretty glib about the whole thing, but then again, that's what he does. I did have to chuckle over the quip at the end about aliens being Muslim.
 
Tigersoap said:
I revived the thread because it mentionned Leslie Kean who just released a book about UFOs

The synopsis :

The reality of UFOs—a subject of intense interest to the general public —has now been verified at the highest levels. Based on a ten-year investigation, journalist Leslie Kean’s new book pulls back the curtain on the incredible occurrences of unexplained behavior by unknown objects over many decades, and the results are astonishing.

We know that of all UFO sightings reported, 95 percent can be explained as ordinary phenomena. However, within that remaining 5 percent, spectacular well-documented UFO events have been officially investigated by government agencies around the world, yet no conventional explanations were found.

In combination with her own insightful research, Kean has brought together over a dozen highly credible aviation witnesses and official investigators – including five generals and a former U.S. governor – who reveal the facts about UFOs in riveting, personal accounts written exclusively for this book. John Podesta, White House Chief of Staff to President Clinton and co-chair of President Obama’s transition team, provides a foreword. Kean offers a practical and achievable plan for US Government involvement in a step-by-step process to uncover what these unidentified objects are – and ultimately, what they may mean for all of us.

_http://ufosontherecord.com/


I haven't read it but it seems that it's another cointelpro book but I could be wrong of course.

I recall somewhere in the C's transcripts that the there will be more disclosure about UFO's....you know, kind of getting everyone "warmed up" to the idea of ETs, etc....(can anyone help find this?)
I was floored last week while listening to WPR (Wisconsin Public Radio) because they had Leslie Kean as a guest on Kathleen Dunn's talk show. This is a remarkable change for WPR, which I remember many times cutting callers short who mentioned ANYTHING about UFOs. Here's the link to WPR's archived radio show featuring interview with Leslie Kean on August 26, 2010.
http://www.wpr.org/search/ideas_program_search.cfm?StartRow=1&startyear=1&keyword=Leslie+Kean&x=10&y=3

One of the questions that popped into my head was why Richard Dolan was overlooked as an expert on the UFO cover-up? His book, copyright 2002, was out already when Kean was just starting her research. Dolan was recently included in a documentary, hosted by Lester Holt (CBS news), regarding Secret Government Warehouses, but they really glossed it and only included a mere fraction of what he's researched.
While Dolan's book covers mostly up to 1973, maybe Kean's book will pick up where he left off.(?)
Won't know if it's cointelpro until it's read and discerned.
 
Posté par: Skyfarmr

While Dolan's book covers mostly up to 1973, maybe Kean's book will pick up where he left off.(?)
Won't know if it's cointelpro until it's read and discerned.

Hello Skyfarmr!
Dolan as releases is second book that cover 1973 to 1991. It 's as great as the first one an is highly recommended to read. Here is a link if you like to order one;

http://www.keyholepublishing.com/storex.html

Thank for the link to the radio show featuring interview with Leslie Kean on August 26, 2010.
 
Laurentien said:
Posté par: Skyfarmr

While Dolan's book covers mostly up to 1973, maybe Kean's book will pick up where he left off.(?)
Won't know if it's cointelpro until it's read and discerned.

Hello Skyfarmr!
Dolan as releases is second book that cover 1973 to 1991. It 's as great as the first one an is highly recommended to read. Here is a link if you like to order one;

http://www.keyholepublishing.com/storex.html

Thank for the link to the radio show featuring interview with Leslie Kean on August 26, 2010.

Thanks Laurentien for the info of Dolan's book; although, that makes the Kean "choice" for revealing on the record UFO information on high profile media even more curious. It will be interesting to see whether her invitations to speak increase.

Also FYI, the radio show is in .RM (real media) format. ( I tried downloading it to listen again, and found I didn't have the Real Media app....(sigh) :huh:...learning is fun, learning is fun, learning is fun....) just a heads up in case there are others out there who are tech-challenged.
 

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