need help regarding law and child welfare in Canada

[davey72]

My friend and neighbor just had his kids taken away by the mounties and child welfare. It started because one of the boys who is thirteen was arrested for break and enter. He likes to make up stories when he is in trouble and i think the police like to guide him with these stories. In any case it is a baaeless accusation in that resulted in them taking the kids. They are a metis family. The police seem to like to pick on natives whom they think will not be able to defend themselves. He is in the process of selling everything he owns to afford a lawyer. They will not let him even know what is happening with them. It is pretty sad as his youngest has never spent a night without his dad. They have said that there is not enough food in the house when the cupboards are full. I have seen how much they eat and they all have potbellies. I know that twenty eight out of one thousand kids will die in foster care compared to five in general population. I am starting this thread as he reads the forum and Sott but does not think anything short of a lawyer will help him. Any help or advice would be appreciated.

 

[Renaissance]

Where is your friend in Canada? There is Legal Aid Ontario and there might be something useful on this site:

http://legalaid.on.ca/en/getting/aboriginal_identify.asp

Even if he is in another area, contacting them might be good to see if they know of similar resources and aid for where he lives.

 

[Sol Logos]

I've not done any due diligence on what this guy (Karl Lentz) claims to work in court, so would be definitely worth doing that before your friend approaches his methods but it's a logical position from my point of view. You can listen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu-OBuHrzCA

Basically, in my non-legal logic, when we make a petition to a purported authority over us, by this act we demonstrate we accept them as an authority over us and all our property. If anyone claims your property by enacting force, they are doing so unlawfully, so they need instead for you to demonstrate you accept their claim - as the facade courts need to maintain is that they stand lawfully. Then from that point we have to prove worthiness to be entrusted with their property (which in truth are not their property but are our children entrusted to us by the only authority over us all - DCM or the Creator etc.). Governments and their courts supplant that direct relationship by trickery mostly.

 

[davey72]

Thanks for the replies. this is in Alberta. I am not able to play youtube atm,but if what this guy sys i true then how does he propose would you get the kids back?

 

[Gwenllian]

Davey, maybe it would help father if he started reading about the cases of Justina Pelletier (an adolescent who was removed from her home and who is currently locked up in a mental hospital and Maryanne Godboldo (a mother whose child was removed by a SWAT team) on SOTT. Knowledge protects and the more he knows about these institutions and how they think and act the better.

I think he needs a very gutsy lawyer who knows the law and is not afraid of using it (MG had a very tough lawyer, Allison Folmer in the USA, who made all the difference; just have a look at the thread here about Justina Pelletier and you will find a YouTube video about her that Gaby posted):

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,34324.msg489028.html#msg489028

A network of parents who have experienced the same thing and who have gotten their kids back may also be very helpful. If he uses google he will be able to find lots of information.

The Pelletier and the Godboldo family used the media, but father should always consult his lawyer first before doing that. He needs a plan and he needs knowledge. OSIT.
This has happened to I don't know how many (native) parents, so he is NOT alone. Networking is really key.

 

[Sol Logos]

Thanks for the replies. this is in Alberta. I am not able to play youtube atm,but if what this guy sys i true then how does he propose would you get the kids back?

In that YouTube video he basically puts it in simple terms of property. Your children are your property so you thank those who are holding them in safe keeping but that you now "require restoration of your property".

He mentions that can be in a letter and I suppose you would find out who the lawyer with welfare agency on this case is and give it to them. Give it to the man or woman who heads the welfare organisation also. You'd probably want to mention that you are pursuing a claim for theft of property if you find your property not restored.

I know it sounds very simplistic, yet in simple terms law is all about property and there is no jurisdiction on your property - yourself, your labour, your private possessions, your children (until of age and independant in which time they own themselves). So it seems courts will not entangle themselves in proving a claim of ownership of these things over you when you stand lawfully as a man or woman requiring restoration of your property. What grounds for a claim of ownership on your property can others have over you? I can't see any myself.

There's a lot of freeman stuff that like any movement in my opinion has been infiltrated and diverted, I feel that's telling own its own, but I personally haven't gone to court and done this, so I wouldn't take my word for it.

From what I've heard so far of Karl Lentz he seems like he knows his stuff, he talks about having gotten children back to parents (on that youTube vid) and I believe he did for his own son. I don't know for sure though so you might want to look into it and determine whether its disinfo or not. In my mind it is a logical position and I would imagine that where law doesn't stand the test of logic, it has no force at law.

I think we get entangled arguing legalese definitions, interpretations, precedents etc. and that only lawyers know such language, so there's a lot of money to be made dragging people into courts that for everyone except the average folk seeking justice. When there's money to be made there's an interest in keeping it all convoluted and inaccessible, so I can imagine spreading fear and disinfo around simple solutions that might work would happen. Also, the legitimacy of courts rests on being impartial and without having interest (financial or other), so that facade won't easily come down because it would lose its power but this would also work in your favour. That doesn't mean Karl Lentz's stuff would work or that its legit but maybe worth keeping in mind if you investigate this more.