Neue Krankheit Cyberchondrie / New desease Cyberchondria

[Nimue]

Hello,

I´ve considered to post this in the English forum, but I have only the German report
as reference, so it will fit better into the German section.

For me such reports are interesting cause they form very fast prefabricated opinions ( I can observe this directly by family and friends). First you may have a look what I am talking about:

http://www.rtl.de/cms/information/rtl-explosiv.html ( go on Cyberchonder on the right site )

I think hypochondria is a disease which must be taken seriously, but this report let me back
with a curious aftertaste, this report is very vague, one / I get the impression that if you search on the net , or inform yourself about diseases, your Doc will not be amused.

Interesting is the part where one of the doctor's was asked, how he can identify cyberchondriacs, and he answered (free verbalized) often this are patients who are coming prepared to the consultation hours, or they make suggestions about the diagnose or make therapy suggestion's..my first thought was patient against Doc, but not everyone who is interested in his health, or is informed about diseases, or therapy options is a hyperchondric. For me the combination informed, openminded doc and infomed, openminded patient is the foundation for adult communication, in other words open minded communication between doctor and patient, so they can work together in a respectfull way. Definitely there are hypochondriacs between patients , but I think the report makes no clear assignments, the report is kept too vague to make a difference between a disease and patients who are well informed. My impression is they measure everything by the same yardstick.

What do you think, why must they give every child a name ? Or can this be a report a long the
lines of : everyday there must be chased another pig through the village ?

Other views are very welcome !

Ich hatte überlegt im englischen Forum zu posten, aber ich habe leider nur den deutschen Bericht als Referenz, also passt es besser in den deutschen Bereich.

Ich finde solche Berichte sehr interessant , weil Sie doch relativ schnell eine vorgefertigte Meinung formen ( Dieses kann ich immer wieder sehr gut bei Freunden und Familie beobachten). Aber vielleicht möchtet Ihr erst mal sehen worüber ich spreche:

http://www.rtl.de/cms/information/rtl-explosiv.html

Ich denke Hypochondrie ist ein ernstzunehmendes Krankheitsbild, aber dieser Bericht hinterlässt bei mir einen eigenartigen Beigeschmack, hier bekommt man den Eindruck, wenn man im Internet sucht, sich informiert und sich Gedanken macht, dann wird dein Arzt nicht sehr erfreut sein.

Interessant ist der Teil, wo einer der Ärzte sich äußert, wie er denn wohl Cyberchonder erkennt : Es handelt sich oft um Patienten, die bereits vorbereitet in die Sprechstunde kommen, Diagnose Vermutungen abgeben, oder noch besser Therapie Vorschläge machen...
Mein erster Gedanke war Patient vs. Arzt, aber doch nicht jeder der interessiert an seiner Gesundheit ist oder über Krankheitsbilder oder Therapiemöglichkeiten informiert ist , ist
gleich ein Hypochonder. Für mich ist die Kombination gut informierter, offener Arzt und gut informierter offener Patient eine wichtigen Grundlage für eine vernünftige Erwachsenen- Kommunikation, sprich offen Kommunikation zwischen Arzt und Patient, so besteht die Möglichkeit das Beide in einer respektvollen Weise miteinander arbeiten können. Mit Sicherheit sind einige Hypochonder unter den Patienten, aber ich denke diese Berichterstattung macht keine klaren Abgrenzungen, wo der Unterschied liegt zwischen einem Krankheitsbild und Patienten die kritisch und gut informiert sind, Alles in allem ein sehr schwammiger Bericht.

Was denkt Ihr , warum müssen die jedem Kind einen Namen geben ? Oder könnte dieser Bericht in die Richtung gehen : Jeden Tag muss eine neue Sau durch´s Dorf getrieben
werden?

Über andere Ansichten und Einschätzung würde ich mich freuen !

 

[Cosmos]

the only thing I can say is that rtl explosiv is in my opinion tabloid press.
so everything that comes from this source I would take highly sceptical.
it's hard to get more mainstream than rtl explosiv.

Das einzige was ich beitragen kann ist das rtl explosiv für mich Klatschpresse ist nicht mehr und nich weniger.
demnach würde ich alles was dort präsentiert wird mit einem sehr skeptischen Auge betrachten.
mehr mainstream geht fast nicht.

 

[Nimue]

Hello Pashalis,

thank you for your reply, I know you are absolutely right, but unfortunately this is the form of reports most
of my family and friends see as a good source for infomation, and I have to disuss with them on this basis.
Ok I must admit, I like to question such reports and anger about mainstream press, but generally cyberchondria
appears to be a topic (not only in the tabloid press), thus my question goes more into the direction, is
cyberchondrie a problem which must taken seriouly, or is this absoulutely brainwashing of the people ?

Hallo Pashalis,

danke für deine Rückmeldung, ich weiß Du hast absolut recht, aber leider ist das die Form
von Berichterstattung , welche die meisten meiner Freunde und Familie als gute
Infomationsquelle sehen. Ok ich muss zugeben ich mag es gerne solche Berichte zu
hinterfragen und mich über solche Berichterstattung zu ägern, aber grundsätzlich scheint
Cyberchondrie ein Thema zu sein (nicht nur in der Klatschpresse), daher ging meine Frage eher in die Richtung, ob Cyberchondrie
eine ernstzunehmendes Krankheitsbild ist oder ob es sich hier nur mal wieder um Volksverdummung handelt ?

 

[Stranger]

hypochondria is an interesting topic. I think we can't evaluate it without recognizing the huge changes in the medical system during the last decades. When patients, mainly through the rising of increased flow of information during the internet revolution, began to research for themselves and question the doctors authority, the picture of the all-knowing medical practitioner began to break down. They never expected that patients would form their own opinions based on their own research or just by hearsay of friends.

Ironically, there is not a problem with the patients, but with the doctors. They had and have the arrogance to pass over the feelings, knowledge and premonitions of their patients because they just don't really ask without prejudgements. They see their patients like a number on which they can lay down their mechanical template which they learned in medical school without realizing that every patient is different, has a different past, diet, lifestyle, mental stability and experiences.

One really has to understand that they do not look at patients as human beeings but merely as ways to increase income. There may be several reasons for that, however, they become insecure when patients began to raise questions. Acknowledging those questions would mean that they would have question their whole view of medicine, they cemented over the years. They even would have see their patients no longer as numbers but as individuals with different needs and, thus, different attention. Regardless of the lack of time, it is just utopic for them to accept the fact, that their is no single template for all patients.

Since there are not really much patients bringing their own views into the office, they still can mark most of them as hypochondriac. Also most people with own opinions leave pharmaceutical medicine and go to alternative practitioners, so left are mostly only those with half-hearted own opinions, which can easily be changed due to propaganda and social pressure.

But also the rising amount of people with opinions based on poor research is a factor, and those people give doctors the hand on a plate to discredit all self-thinking patients.

By the way, the link does not work, so I had no chance to evaluate the content. What I wrote above are only my thoughts based on previous observation and own experiences with doctors.

 

[anart]

Hello,

I´ve considered to post this in the English forum, but I have only the German report
as reference, so it will fit better into the German section.

Actually the German section is to be used only for questions regarding more clearly understanding and communicating in the English part of the forum, so your post has been moved to the correct section.

 

[Nimue]

Actually the German section is to be used only for questions regarding more clearly understanding and communicating in the English part of the forum, so your post has been moved to the correct section.

Sorry my mistake thank you anart for moving in the correct section.

hypochondria is an interesting topic. I think we can't evaluate it without recognizing the huge changes in the medical system during the last decades. When patients, mainly through the rising of increases flow of information by the internet revolution, began to research for themselves and question the doctors authority, the picture of the all-knowing medical practitioner began to break down. They never expected that patients would form their own opinions based on their own research or just by hearsay of friends.

Ironically, there is not a problem with the patients, but with the doctors. They had and have the arrogance to pass over the feelings, knowledge and premonitions of their patients because they just don't really ask without prejudgements. They see their patients like a number on which they can lay down their mechanical template which they learned in medical school without realizing that every patient is different, has a different past, diet, lifestyle, mental stability and experiences.

Hello Stranger,

this was what I have had in mind, thank you.... I have experienced this by myself, some years ago I was very ill, extreme weight gain, fatigue, depressions etc.
They have send me from one doc to another, they treated me like a hypochondriac and a grouser, this was terrible.
Finally they diagnosed mental prloblems so I started to search for myself and found a good doc who was open minded, and with an open ear for my assumptions.. Thyroid problems, he make ultrasonic from my thyroid an a big blood test, behold.... a lot of cold lumps and not so good looking blood test results, since this time I am very critical, and inform myself as good as I can, I don´t longer care if they think I am a hypochondriac, this is my health. Period

 

[Stranger]

Thanks for sharing your story. Can I ask you how you treated your diseases and if you are doing well now?

 

[D69]

I wound like to add my 2 cents.
Personally , I don' think that there is such disease as hypochondria.

-- IMO --
This is just a state of mind.
Clearly it is not happening without a reason.
I think it happens because of system overload with too many 'problematic' connections with small diseases.
Candida albicans overgrowth could be a perfect example.You look completely fine , yet you have a problems on various levels , nobody hlps you , and you cannot get rid of the disease easily - this in turn can crate such state of mind
--IMO--

Of course I may be wrong since only can judge by my own observation .... mainly of myself

 

[Nimue]

Thanks for sharing your story. Can I ask you how you treated your diseases and if you are doing well now?

Hello Stranger,

nice that you ask ! Ok I will give you a short summary.

As I get my results ( 5 years ago) my doc and I have made the decision, not to treat my problems with medication, so we choose the more drastic way........ Lifestyle changes.
Environmental changes in our house, natural colours, natural materials, that is reduce all toxic forces as much as possible, no chemical cleanser, no chemical cosmetics etc.

I have stopped taking birth control pill, no alcohol, no sugar, more vegetables and meat, low carb, and detoxification with chlorella, bears garlic and cilantro.

Against stress I have started to practice Tai Chi ( since last year also EE), more sleep, working on my mental problems and very important ...doing the Work.

At last (last year) denture restoration (all amalgam out).... this has thrown me back, but now
I am on detox with the shake, supplements, chlorella, garlic and cilantro again.

( You see an absolutely long time project)

So alltogether I feel relativ ok at the moment and my thyroid looks verry good( my doc says it looks like regeneration) this is an every day fight, but
for me this was the best decision ( to choose the uncomfortable and drastic way ).

I wound like to add my 2 cents.
Personally , I don' think that there is such disease as hypochondria.

-- IMO --
This is just a state of mind.
Clearly it is not happening without a reason.
I think it happens because of system overload with too many 'problematic' connections with small diseases.
Candida albicans overgrowth could be a perfect example.You look completely fine , yet you have a problems on various levels , nobody hlps you , and you cannot get rid of the disease easily - this in turn can crate such state of mind
--IMO--

Of course I may be wrong since only can judge by my own observation .... mainly of myself

Hello drygol,

thank you for your 2 cents.

I often think they name patients as hypochondriacs, cause they are at their wits ´end, the patients are going to be stressfull, and cost intensive, and often it is so easy to diagnose mental problems. Most doctors don´t try to have a holistic view on their patients, they treat more in the line of „ one fits all“.

Only my 2 cents, again thank you.