Notes to "The Mystic vs Hitler"

[thorbiorn]

Signs Editorial The Mystic vs Hitler by Laura Knight-Jadczyk, Signs of the Times, 20 October 2006 is a very extensive presentation.

The comments that follow are like footnotes. The subjects include Therese Neumann, the history of Triangle people, the origin of the Huns, and the beliefs of ancient Chinese as compared to the alleged beliefs of the Huns. Since my comments do not relate to the main spiritual arguments of Laura's essay and the thoughts on Christianity I decided to post under history.
Before we get to the above subjects I once made some post about David Irving, a character which Laura mentions in her editorial. As a result the work I did then, a lot of details about him and a few others became clear to me: Free e-books by David Irving on history of WW2

Therese Neumann, a Catholic mystic besides Fritz Gehrlich which Laura mentions had another visitor; Yogananda, and one can read about this meeting in his book "Autobiography of a Yogi".
As a subnote I heard/read elsewhere that Yogananda was in Germany not only to meet Therese but also in the hope of meeting Hitler. Yogananda was of the opinion that Hitler was a reincarnation of Alexander the Great and that during his conquest when Alexander came to the border of India he had discourse with one Yogi. Yogananda had the intention to re-enliven yogic wisdom in Hitler and through that try to avoid the war he saw coming, but his wish was not fulfilled.

Next a few comments on the Triangle People and where they might have come from or where they also were present.

I have tentatively identified these polarities as the Circle People and the Triangle - or Pyramid - People. In a general sense, one can see the broad brush of the triangle people in the Southern hemisphere, in the pyramids and related cultures and artifacts.

Lee Wha Rang on The Origin of the Korean People: Who are the Koreanswrites:

Although the oldest known writings - written language - date back only 5,000 years at best, we can 'read' our history by studying fossils, our DNA, geological data, cosmological data, our language, and so on, and from these records, we can determine the origin, or rather the prehistoric history, of the Korean race, the baik-yi-min-jok - the 'White-clad People' (called "Dong-yi" -- the eastern barbarians, 동이족 東夷族" and also 예맥족 濊貊族 by the Chinese historians).

The first Korean nation, Han-gook (also pronounced whan-gook, 桓國), was established in 7,197 BC and lasted 3,301 years. According to an archive recently discovered (桓檀古記), this nation was made of 12 tribes in the region of Lake Baikal in Siberia. About 5500 years ago, the climate in Siberia began to cool down and people from this nation began to move out in several directions. One group, sumiri (수밀이 須密爾 -- called the Sumerians by the Westerners), migrated to Mesopotamia and established the Ur, Urk, Lagash, Umma and other city states. The Sumerians had dark hair and share a common linguistic origin with the Koreans. Another group crossed the Beringia and moved into America, while a third group moved into Manchuria and the Korean peninsula. A branch of the America-bound group moved to Japan through Saccharin and pushed out Ainus who came from south centuries earlier.
The king of Han-gook dispatched about 3,000 colonists to the area around Mt. Baiktu, which was inhabited by primitive tribes - the Tiger and the Bear tribes.

In the above I found the mention of 12 tribes interesting, as well as the link to Sumeria. Notice also that the the "primitive" tribes related themselves to the Tiger, the Bear but not snakes or Dragons. Next something about weapons technology and pyramids:

King Chi Wu's military successes were due not only to his superior tactics but also to his weaponry. He introduced explosives and chemical weapons to make clouds and loud noises. His army was equipped with swords, axes, arrowheads, and lance tips, which were made of bronze while his enemies were still in the Stone Age. His troops used catapults, high-power crossbows, wild dogs and even elephants. All of these were 'modern' weapons of his era.
The Bai-dal people were avid pyramid builders, more so than the Egyptians. The Korean pyramids were first discovered by an American pilot in 1945, who were ferrying supplies to Chiang Kaisek's troops in Manchuria. He took pictures of the pyramids and published them in newspapers. Until then, the pyramids were thought to natural hills. Since then about one hundred pyramids have been discovered, the one of which is larger than the largest Egyptian pyramid. Some of the pyramids are more than 2,000 years older than the oldest Egyptian pyramid.

In spite of the pyramids the ancient Koreans were not related to the Southern hemisphere except:

DNA tests show that Koreans are about 15% of South Pacific origin (the Jomon people) and the rest attributes of the Mongolian stock from the Baikal region. The South Pacific 'contamination' is more prominent among the Koreans in southern regions - in particular, the Cheju Island.

The history of the Koreans is doubted by Chinese historians: http://www.republicanchina.org/Prehistory.html

The Korean school of thought discusses the prehistory of "Dongyi" people, i.e., the ancestors of the Koreans between 7193 BC-2333 BC. My impression is that it is a recitation of the same legends as Chinese. It touches upon such familiar names as
Fuxi the Ox Tamer - approx. 3528 BC
Shen-nong the Divine Farmer - approx. 3168 BC
Xuanyuan the Yellow Overlord - in between 2707 BC-2598 BC

One may conclude that Ah Xiang has a very Chinese view and Lee Wha Rang has a very Korean veiw, and it gets better:

Go-Chosun (also called Dangun Chosun) followed Bai-dal in 2333 BC and lasted 2096 years. It was the most powerful nation in Asia of its era but it is rarely mentioned in history books because Japanese and Chinese historians shy away from glorifying the Korean people.
Fortunately, Soviet-era academicians have established with certainty the veracity of Go-Chosun, this nation did in fact exist, and the new generation of Korean historians - untainted by Uncle Tomism that prevails among the 'senior' Korean historians who were educated by the Japanese - have picked up where the Soviets had left. According to the Soviet historians, Go-Chosen was made of three regions (sam-han - the three Hans 韓) - Jin-han in Manchuria, Ma-han in Korea, and Bun-han in the area around Beijing. Jin-han was ruled directly by the Go-Chosun kings but Ma-han and Bun-han were ruled by viceroys appointed by the kings.

The text in bold reminds of the double rulership found among the Khazars. For more about the Khazars see The Thirteenth Tribe Another thread which deals with the Khazars is Are Russian Jews Descended from the Khazars? by Laura The text of Lee Wha Rang continues:

When the fortune of Go-Chosun began to nose-dive, its subjects rebelled: the Mongols and the Huns left the domain and began to move westward. The Huns made all the way to Europe and survive today in Hungary. The word Hun came from the Korean word 'han' (한 韓, 汗). Some of the Huns settled in Turkey. Facial reconstructions from Hun skulls show facial features that are Korean.

If the Go-Chosun lasted 2096 years from 2333 BC it must have ended around 237 BC. Attila only invaded seven centuries later, so whether the Korean version is true one may wonder, but it may relate to the next.
On the Chinese site Ah Xiang explains what may have led to the western migration of the Huns.

Hunnic Split of AD 89
Around AD 89, General Dou Xian, under the order of his empress sister, led a huge army comprising of soldiers from Beijing Area and the Southern Hun allies, had a decisive battle over the Northern Huns at Jiluoshan Mountains. Han army chased the Huns deep into the northwest territories, defeated 81 Hunnic tribes, and captured over 200 thousand Huns. History of the Northern Dynasties recorded that the Chanyu of Northern Huns fled westward to the ancient Kang-chu Statelet, while the remaining weak and elderly Huns relocated to the north of the Qiuci (Chouci) Statelet. In the west, the descendants of those Huns would set up a country called Nie-Ban [Yue-ban] (a word that was used for Nirvana), in the ancient Kang-chu or Kang-ju territories which was to the northwest of the ancient Wusun Statelet.

and further down:

In AD 91, General Dou Xian mounted another deadly campaign against the Northern Huns. Northern Huns hence began a migration that would lead to the chain reaction to the West. Scholar Luo Xianglin stated that the Huns split into two groups: Ye-da [White Huns] posing threat to Sassanian Dynasty to the northeast of today's Iran, and western offshoot moving to south of Ural Mountain. Luo Xianglin further stated that the Western Huns, under Balamir, due to a famine, relocated towards Europe in AD 372, conquering Eastern Goths and driving away Western Goths. Balamir, after conquering the territories north of Danube, received the tributes from Roman Emperor. Balamir's son would be Attila who, with 700000 army, campaigned against East Roman Empire in AD 447 and attacked Western Roman Empire in AD 450.

Elsewhere he elaborates
http://www.republicanchina.org/hsiung-nu.htm

The so-called 'Western Huns' invaded Europe from the Central Asian steppe. http://www.fernweb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mf/people.htm has an excellent account of the Dark Age in Europe, covering the barbarians of the Alamanni, the Anglo-Saxons, the Franks, the Gepids, the Goths, the Lombards and the Vandals as well as the Huns and the Avars. They invaded the lower Volga valley c.372 AD and advanced westward, pushing the Germanic Ostrogoths and Visigoths before them. They drove the Visigoths across the Danube into the Roman Empire and caused the chain reaction that led to the defeat of the Roman army under the Emperor Valens at Adrianople in 378 AD. Attila the Hun (circa 406-53), king of the Huns (circa 433-53), killed his brother and then embarked on attacks at all directions. An unsuccessful campaign in Persia was followed in AD 441 by an invasion of the Eastern Roman Empire, i.e., Byzantium Empire. He raided Thrace in AD 442. In AD 447, he advanced through Illyria and devastated the region between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea, and defeated the Byzantine emperor Theodosius II who fell dead from the horseback.

When Rome refused in AD 450 further tribute payments, Attila attacked the West. He crossed the Rhine, fought the Battle of Ch

 

[Laura]

Excellent material.

One thing that I find fascinating is that very "mongoloid" type carved heads have been found in South America. Don't know if you have read "The Gods of the Cataclysm" where the author proposes a movement of peoples from Southeast Asia to South America and shows strong relationships between things South American and things Chinese. After reading it, I wondered if it was the other way around: a movement from South America to Southeast Asia and then up into China. I wrote about this in a more general way in Secret History as follows:

We have looked at the Americas as the possible ancient empire of Atlantis. It is now time to reiterate certain observations.

We have noted earlier that the practice of human sacrifice seems to have originated and spread in the Southern Hemisphere. We have also noted that human sacrifice was most closely associated with Solar deities. The further north you go, the less importance the Sun had, the more importance the Moon was given, and the incidence of human sacrifice diminished.

At certain points, where the two "types" mingled, it was not uncommon to find Moon worship associated with human sacrifice, or Sun worship divorced from Human Sacrifice.

But what is evident from tracking the myths and folktales and artifacts, is that Human Sacrifice was primarily a Southern Hemisphere production. It would be almost impossible to track the ancient peoples with firm accuracy, but the point is that there is evidence that the religion of the Jews came from South America via India to the Middle East, bringing its bloodthirsty, flesh flaying, genital mutilating god along.

At the same time, we find megalithic structures on Malta that predate the deluge, and the conical pyramids of Rock Lake, Wisconsin, connected to similar structures on the Canary Islands. We have tracked our long-legged Cro-magnon types across Europe to Central Asia and back again. And we most certainly suspect that they were inhabitants of North America as well. We have found the shamanic goddess worshipping peoples of Central Asia, shepherds and horsemen and husbandmen of the land.

What happened to the peoples of North and South America? Where was "Athens"? How did the "Athenians" defeat the evil empire of Atlantis?

When we contemplate these questions, what comes to mind is that amazing, ancient tale of the Ark, represented in a hundred tales down through the millennia as any number of things from five smooth stones picked up from a stream flung by a young lad at a giant, after which he cut off his head, to the head of a Gorgon held up as a weapon to turn the wicked into stone.

We find a reflection of the idea of being "turned to stone" in the story of Lot's escape from the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah where, when his wife hesitated and looked back, she was turned to a pillar of salt. In the legend of Perseus, just looking at Medusa would turn one to stone.

As we review the myths and legends, we find that strange story of the Sumerians about the theft of the "tablet of destinies," which connects us to the golden tablets of the Aesir of Snorri Sturlson, and the Emerald tablets of Hermes, from which we move on to the tablets of the law in the Ark.

Then we come in a circle to the idea of the "law bearer" or Ark, as the Thesmophoria of the Eleusinian mysteries celebrated only by women - and the woman was represented as a doorway, a delta - a cross even - from which the hanged man, Odin, hung for nine days to receive the secrets of the Goddess, the runes, and for which he sacrificed his eye to drink from the spring of wisdom.

What a tangled web.

 

[thorbiorn]

the point is that there is evidence that the religion of the Jews came from South America via India to the Middle East, bringing its bloodthirsty, flesh flaying, genital mutilating god along.

Some years ago, I think in 94, a French friend told me of a book written by a former Jesuit who became interested in the roots of his Catholic faith, and so ended up with Judaism which he again traced to Kashmir. One argument was that Abraham is like "A Brahm" refering to Brahma the creator and Sara, Abraham's wife is like Saraswati, the wife of Brahma. Secondly he saw in the story of Jacob anointing a stone that had given a dream the equivalent of the whorship of the Shiva lingam which is made of stone on which water is dripping and to which pooja is done in the temples dedicated to Shiva. Thirdly he noticed that a black coat and cerimonial sword allegedly used by Rabbis or some order of Jewish prists can be found very similar in Kashmir. As to explain why the Jews came to Palestine the reason was given, that they were a renegade sect of Siva worshippers, the male aspect of god and since the Kashmiris were tradtiotionally very strong devotees of Mother Divine this Shiva sect was expelled from the valley and came to the west but retained their wish to return to the fertile Kashmiri valley, the land of milk and honey. Another told me, also French by the way, that the temple of Solomon is in Kashmir, it is a small Shiva temple in Srinagar, which means the city of Sri, the City of the Goddess, and is the capital of Kashmir.

What of the above is pure myth what are clues?

From the transcripts I recalled that Sanskrit should be the worlds oldest language and that both Sanskrit and Hebrew have Atlantean roots. So I was wondering if there would be some relationship.
The following links did although informative not yield much hope:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit
The next linkhttp://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/1999-October/004523.html has

"The Story of Writing," by Andrew Robinson ("holds degrees from Oxford University
and from the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London"), 1995,
Thames and Hudson Ltd, London, states on page 175: "Most scholars -- Indian and
non-Indian -- agree that the Aramaic script was the parent script of one of the
earliest Indian scripts, Kharosthi, even though hard evidence of the link is lacking."

I can find even less hard evidence for a Jesus-inspired connection between Hebrew and
Sanskrit, though such is the stuff of much mysticism and many modern mystery schools.
As is the purported link between Jesus and the Essenes.

Solomon Landers
Memra Institute for Biblical Research
http://www.memrain.org

Well, he is right there is no evidence for a Jesus-inspired connection between Hebrew and Sanskrit, but then what has Jesus got to do with a connection between two languages?
The following source was more interesting although it did not establish any linguistic relationship between the languages:
http://www.russillpaul.com/articles/article/1162814/14980.htm

Sanskrit and Hebrew are the only two languages in the world in which the visual characters of their alphabet correspond very precisely to their audible sounds, a fact discovered by Swiss physicist Hans Jenny through his extraordinary invention known as the oscilloscope. In other words, there is deep correlation between the visual and the auditory in these languages that allows for a "crossing over" of faculties, a process that naturally facilitates altered states of awareness. The rishis, or authors of mantras, were actually able to "see" these sounds, a process known as mantra drista, not uncommon among recreational drug users or those who are extremely ill. The difference in using mantras instead of drugs is the clarity and naturalness of the perception that mantras induce. There are no side effects either and, more importantly, one gains a deeper and truer sense of identity rather than getting lost in the false or convoluted sense of identity induced by drugs or illness. Mantras refine and purify our consciousness.

Eventually I came to http://www.viewzone.com/matlock.html which has:

ViewZone welcomes this highly researched work by scholar, Gene D. Matlock, which is part of his complete manuscript showing the global influence of ancient India's culture and language. We welcome your comments and thoughts.

The study of a possible relation between India and Hebrew/Jews is not new:

A 19th Century British Scholar Explains Why the Western World Never Learned About the Indian Origins of the Jews.
Though not generally known in this day and age, Godfrey Higgins (1772-1833), archeologist, politician, humanitarian, social reformer, and author, was one of the most enlightened and educated men of early 19th century England. He was a well-known iconoclast, rationalist, and admirer of the Jews, who vehemently opposed any kind of persecution of this ancient religious group. He wrote two oversized volumes, totaling around 1600 pages of fine print, about the Jews' Indian origins. These two volumes, entitled Anacalypsis, are extremely rare. The last printing was done in 1965 by University Books, NY. It's a difficult book to read because the author painstakingly proved the minutest of details in his dissertation. Even good readers need several weeks to finish it.
The first printing consisted of only 200 copies, twenty of which he had to give away. Only a few of the remaining 180 copies were sold. For nearly thirty years, the religious communities of England and Europe quietly suppressed the book. It has since been reprinted three times, but including the first printing, the total copies printed never totaled over a thousand. Only occasionally can it be found in a library. Even so, many authors have quoted and plagiarized it. Not a few spiritual charlatans, such as fraudulent mystics, psychics, and the Presbyterian preacher who wrote the novel on which The Book of Mormon is based, used Anacalypsis to produce their respective heresies and agendas. The famous 19th century mystic and founder of Theosophy, Madam Blavatsky, took advantage of the world's nearly total ignorance of this magnificent document, using much of Higgin's information, to convince the gullible that she had acquired her "mystical knowledge" from "otherworldly" sources called "Akashic records."

In the next sections I have seperated the words that are similar from the next following, since the original tabel format does not reproduce in bbcode. I also think some of the similarities are a bit farfetched but others makes one wonder. What do you think?

What Inferences Can You Draw From the Following List?

Well-Known Names in the
Western World
Equivalent Names in
Indian Languages

Minoa (Ancient Greek nation).
Meena (Indian ancestors of the Minoans)

Turbazu (Palestinian clan)
Turvazu (Indo-Hebrew tribe

Kopt; Guptas (Ancient Egyptian dynasty)
Gupta (Ancient Indian ruling dynasty)

Saracens (Ancient Turks)
Sauresena (Territory and people of Ancient India)

Arabea (Arabs)
Arabi(Original inhabitants of Indo-Hebrew Makran, now part of Pakistan)

Islam (Mohammedan religion)
Ishalayam (Temple of God)

Khurus or Khouros (Powerful Arab tribe to which Mohammed belonged)
Kurus (Ancient Indo-Hebrew tribe)

Mecca (Islam's most sacred city.)
Makka (Capital of Arabi Makran)

Riyadh (Saudi Arabian capital)
Ray (Wisdom) + Yuddha (Warrior)

Mohamed (Father of Islam)
Maha-Atma (Great Soul)

Jidda (Saudi Arabian city)
Juddha, Yuddha (Warrior)

Cabul (Town in Israel)
Kabul (Capital of Afghanistan)

Bashan (Region of Jordan)
Bazana; Vashana (Ancient capital of Gujarat)

Manesseh (Territory and tribe of Israel)
Manasa (Himalayan lake, near Mount Meru; also the name of a snake deity)

Laish (City of Canaan)
Laish (Town in Afghanistan)

Cutha (Fort and city in ancient Southern Mesopotamia)
Kuth; Cathia; Cutch (Part of Gujarat)

Hellenes (Ancient people and territory in Greece)
Hellenes; Alinas (People and territory of Ancient India).

Javan (Father of Greeks; mentioned in Genesis).
Yavana (Ancient Indo-Hebrew tribe)

Iberia (Spain)
Abhira (Indo-Hebrew nation)

Brit (Great Britain)
Bharat (True name of India)

Angles (Ancient people of England)
Anguli (Ancient people of India)

Jutes, Jutis (Eastern tribe that invaded and settled in Europe)
Yuddhi (Ancient Indian warriors)

Goths (Eastern tribe that invaded and settled in Europe)
Guti; Gauda (Ancient Indian tribe that migrated to the Middle East)

Yemen (Arab country)
Yamuna (River of India)

Yehudi (Jewish People)
Yutiya; Yah-Khuda (Sanskrit name of the Indo-Hebraic Yadus)

Roma (Rome, Italy)
Roma; Romaka (People and territory of Northern India)

Dubai (Nation of Arab Emirate)
Dwab (Territory of ancient Afghanistan)

Sheba (Ancient Ethiopian kingdom)
Siva; Sibi (Territory of ancient Yaudheyapura, India)

Syria (Middle Eastern home of the ancient Jews)
Suriya (Mythical Indian territory)

Succoth (Place near Jordan and in Egypt)
Sukhothai (Ancient Indian and Thai kingdom)

Talmud (Written Jewish teachings)
Tal-Mudra (Sacred Indian teachings written on palm leaves)

Tallit (Jewish prayer shawl)
Tal-Ata (Palmyra leaves worn on the shoulders as a raincoat)

Kippot (Skullcap worn by Orthodox Jews)
Kaparda (Hair top-knot once worn by the first ancestors of the Indo-Hebrews)

Shalmanezer (Assyrian king who deported the "Lost Tribes" to India)
Shalmanev (Tall, impressive person)

Baal (Golden calf first worshiped by the Jews)
Balesar (Holy bull worshiped in India)

Linguistic Similarities Between Hebrew and Kashmiri
I have taken from my Kashmiri dictionary a long list of words that are similar in pronunciation and meaning to Hebrew. I could have easily provided a list containing hundreds more, many of which I shall mention in later chapters. However, I hope that the following list will convince you that the Kashmiri language, one of the most little-known languages in the world, deserves more attention and study.
Judaism and Shaivite Hinduism Share the Same Names for God.

Judaism
Shaivism

Ish; Yish; Is; Isa; Issa; El; Al; etc.
(Suffixes and prefixes for "God")
The same in Shaivism

Yahve; Jahve; Tseeva (God)
Shiva; Shaiva; Siva (God)

Elohim; Elokhim (God intellectualized)
Lakhimi (Goddess of Prosperity); Lokhi; Lukh (Shiva)

El Shaddai (The Almighty)
Saday; Sada (Shiva)

Ha-Kadosh (The Holy One)
Hakh-e-Kheda (God's Duty)

El Elyon (Possessor of Heaven and Earth)
Il Layun (Absorption in God)

Yesoda (Dual Sexual Nature of Life)
Yeshoda (Shiva's Dual Sexual Nature)

Similar sacred symbolism and iconography are associated with both the Hebrew Yah-Veh and the Kashmiri Shaiva: The Holy Trinity; the flame; the cherub; the guardian angel; the snake; the bull; blowing of bull's horn, etc.

Hebrew and Kashmiri Cabalistic Terminology Is About the Same.

Hebrew
Kashmiri

Ani (he spark of life)
Agni (Vedic god of fire)

Avoda (work; labor)
Vud; Wud (skilled labor)

Ayeen (void; non-being)
Ayen (eternity)

Cabala (acceptance)
Cabul (acceptance)

Guevara (force)
Gav'r (surrounding and attacking)

Keter (crown)
Kash'r (crown of the head)

Kijum (destiny)
Ko-Yimi (path to death)

Klim (nothing)
Kholi (nothing)

Malkuth (kingdom)
Mulakh (kingdom)

Nefesh (soul)
Naph's (soul; spirit self)

Sephiroth (spiritual energy centers)
Sipath (spiritual energy centers)

Yesu; Yesh; Yeh; Yahu; Yakhu; Yah; Yao; Ie
(The Material Universe)
The same as in Judaism

Yesh me Ayeen (The Goal of Creation)
Yech me ayen (Creation Fused to the Void)

Zohar (brilliance)
Swar; Svar (Heaven; light; brilliance)

Kauleshwar Rai wrote in Ancient India,
"...there was a time when the Dravidians inhabited the whole of India including Sind, Baluchistan and the Punjab. Gradually, they migrated to Mesopotamia also." (p. 19.)

In one of the transcript Laura asked about the origin of the Nubians and the answer to my memory was that they were of East Indian Aboriginals.
On http://www.viewzone.com/abraham.html Gene D. Matlock has

In his History of the Jews, the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle had said: "...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." (Book I:22.)
Clearchus of Soli wrote, "The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called 'Jerusalem.'"
"Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three hundred years before Christ, and whose accounts from new inquiries are every day acquiring additional credit, says that the Jews 'were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...'" (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)
Martin Haug, Ph.D., wrote in The Sacred Language, Writings, and Religions of the Parsis, "The Magi are said to have called their religion Kesh-

 

[name]

re. southamerica, a pointer may be the strange episode which happened some years ago in which the rabbis converted a whole indigenous tribe from peru to judaism and brought them into israel. much was polemized against this and so far i remember, until now nobody has tried to understand this beyond characterizing the move as desperation on israels part for immigrants. i've always thought that there is more to it, because, after all, they were able to bring in about 1M russians of dubious 'jewish' roots, so why not bring more people from there, where after all cultural ties exist. maybe user /Keit/ knows more about this ?

the link of 'jews' to ancient india was pointed to me some time ago by an acquaintance. he pointed me in this respect to the book "when god was a woman" a.k.a. "paradise papers" by writer merlin stone (i'm waiting for my copy to be delivered since about 6 weeks). he told me specifically that in the book, the 'yuddha' are referred to as a lower caste of warriors (as in grunts). since i don't yet have the book, I can't say anything more, but since this resembles what /thorbiorn/ quotes above, it may well be that merlin stone is citing from the same sources.

there is another aspect here, and this is my speculation. when the spanish (and later other europeans) came to the americas, they engaged in genocide and destruction on a gigantic scale, in fact erasing most of any cultures which they found in their path. the zeal displayed in this rash of destruction was so great that we know very little about these pre-columbian cultures: inca, maya, ... i've sometimes thought that they not only erased 'pagan' stuff, but must have found material - information - which put christianity in peril, not only because it was 'other' but because it was the truth about the roots of all then-known religions.

i also want to insist on the need to investigate with more attention the 'difficult' relation between catholicism (and christianity at large) with judaism. the religions have often been opposed to each other, christians butchering jews and jews disowning christians of their jewish roots, but fact is that not only christianity (all of it) provenes from judaism, and even more than one being the offspring of the other, they look at this time as different aspects of the same phenomenon. this is as much as i can offer up on this, having read almost nothing on these issues beyond what i've found here.

at last, i own a dictionary of spanish-mapudungun and could look up terms if somebody asks. FYI, mapudungun is the language of the mapuche, a tribe or collection of tribes who live in southern chile and parts of argentina, in most of what is known today as patagonia, and many of the dialects spoken there have some relation to mapudungun. i don't know if they have much relation to quechua/aymara, but they were the immediate southern of the inca empire at the time of its greatest extension which reached until the bio-bio river in what is now chile.

i hope this is useful.

 

[Anders]

the point is that there is evidence that the religion of the Jews came from South America via India to the Middle East, bringing its bloodthirsty, flesh flaying, genital mutilating god along.

Some years ago, I think in 94, a French friend told me of a book written by a former Jesuit who became interested in the roots of his Catholic faith, and so ended up with Judaism which he again traced to Kashmir. One argument was that Abraham is like "A Brahm" refering to Brahma the creator and Sara, Abraham's wife is like Saraswati, the wife of Brahma. Secondly he saw in the story of Jacob anointing a stone that had given a dream the equivalent of the whorship of the Shiva lingam which is made of stone on which water is dripping and to which pooja is done in the temples dedicated to Shiva. Thirdly he noticed that a black coat and cerimonial sword allegedly used by Rabbis or some order of Jewish prists can be found very similar in Kashmir. As to explain why the Jews came to Palestine the reason was given, that they were a renegade sect of Siva worshippers, the male aspect of god and since the Kashmiris were tradtiotionally very strong devotees of Mother Divine this Shiva sect was expelled from the valley and came to the west but retained their wish to return to the fertile Kashmiri valley, the land of milk and honey. Another told me, also French by the way, that the temple of Solomon is in Kashmir, it is a small Shiva temple in Srinagar, which means the city of Sri, the City of the Goddess, and is the capital of Kashmir.

Today I saw this article on the signs page (20061114) about Indians from NE India claiming to be a lost tribe.
India's "lost" Jews set for long-awaited homecoming

Sela is an Indian by birth, part of a community in the country's remote northeast who says they are one of the "lost tribes of
Israel," exiled from their homeland 2,700 years ago.

"I want to be there when my last days come. Because Israel is the land of Sarah. It's the first place where she will come," she said, referring to the wife of the biblical patriarch Abraham.

Bholanath responded to todays article in a new thread: http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/post.php?tid=4018&qid=26745

What's left is a name -- Manasseh, Menasia or Manmase, an ancestor whose spirit the community invokes to ward off evil.

In 1950, a holy man from a remote village in Mizoram said the Holy Spirit had appeared to him in a vision, to explain that the "children of Manasseh" were in fact the children of Menashe, a forefather of the Israelite tribe of Menashe.

The tribe was one of the biblical "Twelve Tribes of Israel," ten of which disappeared after the Assyrian invasion.

Gradually his ideas took hold among a people converted to Christianity a few decades before. Today, nearly 7,000 Bnei Menashe live in Mizoram and neighboring Manipur, hoping for their chance to join the rest of the community in Israel.

Oh, PLEASE!!!! Everyone in India knows that MANASA, or MANASA DEVI is the "Serpent Goddess", worshipped in numerous shrines and on the "Nag Panchami" holy day (honoring the snakes["Nag/Naga"]). Snakes are associated with practically every "God/Goddess" in the Hindu pantheon.
In the Northeast provinces of India there have been tremendous efforts (largely successful) by evangelicals to christianize the tribals/indigenous populations, specifically in Mizoram, Manipur, and NAGALAND! Talk about being cut off from one's cultural past...(and a good way to get out of a politically unstable, poverty-stricken part of India - hey, we're the "lost tribes"!)
Many tribal peoples of India (and around the world) trace their ancestry from "Naga Royalty" [children of Manasa?], and likewise Buddhists as well as Hindus in Asia. Hello! Possibly a serpent deity in the middle-east had a similar name, or alternatively, these people came from China and have NO connection to the middle-east. Hey, gotta fill up those settlements in Israel!

I felt that it belonged in this discussion as Laura mentions that the religion of the jews came to the Middle East from South America via India and that it most likely worshipped the snake. Thorbiorn has showed links that show great similarities between Sanskrit and Hebrew. The news article from Reuter will have it the other way around and it could be that they truly believe it.

That aside I agree with Bholanath conclusion that the deal is to fill up the settlements in Israel. Israel has not opened it's heart to the long 'lost' Indian jews, but rather it desperately needs more jews to stem the exodus.

Anders