NYC CAN 9/11 investigation denied from ballot

[daveOS]

Once Again, The Will of the Voters Is Denied
http://www.nyccan.org/Decision_Denied.php

I think they describe it as best as can be summarized, "dark day for democracy."

 

[henry]

Hi DaveOS,

Can you remember any days that haven't been dark days for democracy?

Maybe I am reading too much into your remark, but the way I see it, even those days that people think are bright days for democracy are problematic. Think of the hoopla around the election of Obama. In other words, the supposed bright days are just used to lull people into thinking that they actually have a say.

 

[daveOS]

Yes, the understatement left far too much to interpretation but given my silly attempts to make sense of any of it left me at a loss for words other than repeating what's in the article. I found a poignancy in their dignified representation of the truth. Plus they close stating

Regardless of the outcome in court, the quest for answers continues full throttle. This fight is only the beginning.

I took heart in that. I guess I'm beginning to build a trust in truth. It's about one of the only reality threads seemingly worth grasping for in the valley of the shadow I've been walking through for a good long while now. But LCROSS fizzled and somehow there were late raspberries in the garden this morning!

 

[henry]

Yeah, it is difficult having only the written word to convey all those elements that can be conveyed when we are speaking face-to-face. I wasn't sure how to take what you had written, so I wanted to ask. :)

I'd like to think that "The fight is only the beginning", but where can they really go? It might be a way to get some publicity, but I doubt they'll ever get anywhere in the courts.

 

[daveOS]

Thanks for the consideration and taking the time Galahad. I agree, progress with the courts is doubtful. However the public awareness around the issue brought to the fore by the 80,000 signatures behind the referendum and the quandary it created for the courts seems a more collectively conscious movement to me than the fragmented individual efforts that I've been able to survey over the years.

I think the independently verifiable facts about 9/11 are beginning to flow and force collective consideration. In the following NYC CAN link they recount the exchange in court after the referee found in favor of the city and the case was brought to Justice Edward Lehner who postponed decision for a couple of days that turned into a week we’re now at the dark end of.

The Judge proceeded to invite discourse on why an investigation was needed. When [NYC CAN attorney Dennis] McMahon raised as an example the 9/11 Commission’s omission of the collapse of Building 7 from its final report, the Judge replied in puzzlement, “Building what?”

When asked by the Judge whether or not there has been an investigation into 9/11 by New York City authorities, Steve Kitzinger, the City’s lawyer, replied, “It’s irrelevant”, to which the packed courtroom was loudly disdainful, some openly laughing in disbelief. At which point Mr. Kitzinger prevailed upon Judge Lehner to quiet the crowd, which the Judge did.

With order restored, the Judge again asked Kitzinger if the City had done anything to investigate 9/11. Kitzinger flatly responded, “No.”

“The City never did anything?” retorted the Judge in disbelief. Nothing, Kitzinger admitted.

As part of his unrelenting attack on the NYC CAN petition, Kitzinger repeatedly alluded to the proposed commission’s intention to investigate national security matters beyond its jurisdiction such as “intelligence failures”. A simple reading of the petition shows such assertions to be completely unfounded.

Later, Judge Lehner seemed unimpressed by Kitzinger’s argument pertaining to the limited jurisdiction of New York City to investigate 9/11, on the grounds of inherent limits to a municipality’s subpoena power. “You can investigate anything, can’t you?” the Judge asked rhetorically. “Because somebody may have jurisdiction over certain witnesses doesn’t mean you can’t have a commission.”

On the complicated question of the commission being a privately funded entity but still having subpoena power granted under the auspices of New York City government, the Judge made comments that gave the Petitioners hope for a favorable ruling. “You want a law that says this private commission shall have the right to subpoena people?” To which McMahon assented. Offering similar examples, the Judge noted, “A private lawyer can issue subpoenas… a lawyer issues [subpoenas] in connection with an action [during] litigation in court.”

After the hearing, the consensus among NYC CAN members and supporters in attendance was that Judge Lehner is intrigued by the proposed referendum, and that he will give both sides’ arguments due consideration.

Near the end of the hearing, McMahon stated emphatically, “The citizens are desperate. We want to find out what really happened on 9/11.

http://www.nyccan.org/Decision_On_Petitions_Legality.php

For me personally, this provided something to go back to my “Politics Night” barley-pop debate group with that resulted in stunned silence and a quick shift in topic (much like the court has responded now). But up until now my representation of 9/11 reality to the group has been mostly met with poo-poo’s, taunting, and near exile from a group of mostly lawyers. Up until this moment in general the friends, family, and professionals I swirl with have effectively marginalized and/or completely dismissed the concerns about 9/11 reality I’ve raised. This field has completely shifted with their growing awareness of the need to stand with the victim’s families and first-responders, and exposure to the only conspiracy theory being the official story.