OP marriage partner choices

I would like to ask something about people with a strong sto potential. (not me) I wonder if they're born into families where a parent is OP and then they get trapped into an OP marriage before they know whats hit them. For years I keep experiencing these strange couplings of a very empathetic, struggling person married to what seems an OP. It's almost as if the empathetic person is targeted because of their potential. The OP is very attracted to them and the empathetic person seems to get swallowed up, (coming from an OP background) and is in a constant state of confusion and stress with little chance of understanding why and it seems only by the slightest of chances that they can wake up. Do OP's purposefully target empathetic people for marriage partners? Is this somehow necessary for the strong STO candidate to wake them up to their potential?
 
The Cs more or less covered this at one point in the sessions though we had not, at that point, even suspected the existence of OPs. Read the following and see how it fits:

Cs said:
3 May 97

Q: Reading through the session of May 23, last year, when T***
was also here, and the issue of his being in [small town] was
addressed, you asked who had begged him to stay there,
then there was a remark about an EM vector. The way I
understood it is that a person can be an EM vector. Is
that possible?

A: Vector means focuser of direction.

Q: Could that mean that EM waves can be vectored by a human
being simply by their presence? I also noticed that
several of us have been involved with persons and
relationships that seem designed to confuse, defuse, and
otherwise distort our learning, as well as drain our
energy. Basically, keeping us so stressed that we cannot
fulfill our potential. Is there some significance to this
observation?

A: That is elementary, my dear Knight!

Q: One of the things I have learned is that these individuals
seem to attach via some sort of psychic hook that enters
through our reactions of pity. Can you comment on the
nature of pity?

A: Pity those who pity.

Q: But, the ones who are being pitied, who generate
sensations of pity, do not really pity anybody but
themselves.

A: Yes...?

Q: Then, is it true as my son said, when you give pity, when
you send love and light to those in darkness, or those who
complain and want to be "saved" without effort on their
own part, when you are kind in the face of abuse and
manipulation, that you essentially are giving power to
their further disintegration, or contraction into self-
ishness? That you are powering their descent into STS?

A: You know the answer!

Q: Yes. I have seen it over and over again. Were the
individuals in our lives selected for the extremely subtle
nature of their abilities to evoke pity, or were we
programmed to respond to pity so that we were blind to
something that was obvious to other people?

A: Neither. You were selected to interract with those who
would trigger a hypnotic response that would ultimately
lead to a drain of energy.

Q: (T) Well, it is a fact, because my energy is sure drained.
(L) What is the purpose of this draining of energy?

A: What do you think?

Q: (T) So you can't concentrate or do anything. You can't
get anywhere with anything.

A: Or, at least not the important things.

Q: (T) Is that why my concentration is so low?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is L [referring to wife] a robot type?

A: You are dealing with a no-win situation!!

Q: It is a no win situation...

A: As you know.

Q: (T) So, if I don't get out, I will just keep going down.
Is it the area or the person?

A: Both. One is wrapped within the other.

Q: (L) Why is it that it seems to be one of the primary
things about us that prevents us from acting against such
situations, is our fear of hurting another person? That
was the chief thing that kept me in my marriage for so
long. And, only when I knew that it was hurting the kids
more to stay, did I have the power to get out. Why are we
so afraid of hurting someone's feelings if they are
hurting us?

A: Not correct concept. You do not need to "act against
them," you need to act in favor of your destiny.

Q: But, when you do that, these persons make you so
completely miserable that there seems to be no other
choice but a parting of the ways.

A: Yes, but that is not "acting against." Quite the
contrary. In fact, remember, it takes two to tango, and
if you are both tangoing when the dance hall bursts into
flames, you both get burned!!!

Q: Why is it that when one tries to extricate from such a
"tango," why is there is such violent resistance to
letting you go when it is obvious, clearly obvious, that
they do not have any feeling for you as a human being?

A: It is not "they." We are talking about conduits of
attack.

Q: What is it that makes them susceptible to becoming
conduits of attack?

A: All STS are candidates for this. There are only about 6
billion of you though.

Q: Okay, all people can be conduits of attack. (L) Would
just coming down and working with us on Saturdays, on a
regular basis, help him to get his concentration back?

A: Making the necessary changes would.

Q: Is it true that being in the presence of such people, that
one is under the influence of an energy, an emanation from
them physically, that befuddles the mind and makes it
almost impossible to think ones' way out of the situation?

A: It is the draining of energy that befuddles the mind.

Q: Where does this energy drain to?

A: 4th density STS.

Q: They drain our energy from us and 4th density STS harvests
it from them?

A: "They" do nothing!!!! 4th density STS does it all through
them!

Q: (T) Well, I would like to know what is it in us that makes
us attracted to such people.

A: It was the idea of 4th density STS.

Q: That means that they can control your thoughts and
emotions, put ideas into your head, and you think it is a
good idea to "save" someone. You don't know. It is
taught in our religions and culture to give until it
hurts, and, in fact, to give because it hurts. The whole
situation is designed and controlled from another level.
Any further comment on this subject?

A: Once you have truly learned the program, just plug it in.

Q: I guess once you have truly learned what is being said
here, just plug it in...

A: No. We mean that all you have to do is learn the patterns
of behavior, the subtle signs, and you will always have
the ability of avoiding it. Your own as well as others.

Q: So, once you have learned the program from this person,
you will be able to avoid getting into another, similar
one. (T) But, I should have learned it from H [first wife]. I did the
same thing twice. (L) Well, when you are wounded, it is
hard to see clearly.

A: The signs were present, but you did not read them.

Q: You ignored it.

A: No, he did not yet know the program. Anticipate not!

Q: I guess that means that when you are thinking that you can
change another person, or that changing something about
what you are doing naturally will help them, you are
anticipating.

A: Or that it would be different that it turned out to be.

Q: Well, you knew that there was a lot wrong in the
beginning, but you thought that it would be different.
{...}
A: Lesson number 1: Always expect attack. Lesson number 2:
Know the modes of same. Lesson number 3: Know how to
conteract same. ...

A: When you are under attack, expect the unexpected, if it is
going to cause problems...

Q: So, if there is something that can cause problems, expect
it to happen.

A: But, if you expect it, you learn how to "head it off,"
thus neutralizing it. This is called vigilance, which is
rooted in knowledge. And, what does knowledge do?

Q: Protects! ... I guess that a person just has to
come to the full realization that virtually everything
that happens on the planet - no exceptions - is a symbol
of some interaction of STS vs STO energy at higher levels.

A: Yes, and that is not as of yet realized. It must be part
of a natural learning process.

Q: Well, I guess that all of us tend to keep one or another
area sacrosanct and think that it is not subject to
attack, or that we can use logic and 3rd density thinking
to explain it. Until a person realizes that attack can
come through even one's self, wives and husbands,
children and parents, friends, virtually ANYBODY - NOBODY
is exempt.

A: The block is a lack of faith in the concept. Remember,
when one has been indoctrinated by religion, culture
and/or science, they are predisposed to view all things in
the sense of the measurable physical reality exclusively.

And then, there is this:

Cs said:
13 July 2002

Q: (V) What is the "origin" of these organic portal human types? In the scheme of creation, where did they come from?

A: They were originally part of the bridge between 2nd density and 3rd density. Review transcripts on the subject of short wave cycles and long wave cycles.

Q: (A) Now, I was reading in the transcripts that sleep is necessary for human beings because it was a period of rest and recharging. You also said that the SOUL rests while the body is sleeping. So, the question is: what source of energy is tapped to recharge both the body and the soul?

A: The question needs to be separated. What happens to a souled individual is different from an organic portal unit.

Q: (L) I guess that means that the life force energy that is embodied in Organic Portals is something like the soul pool that is theorized to exist for flora and fauna. This would, of course, explain the striking and inexplicable similarity of psychopaths, that is so well defined that they only differ from one another in the way that different species of trees are different in the overall class of Tree-ness. So, if they don't have souls, where does the energy come from that recharges Organic Portals?

A: The pool you have described.

Q: Does the recharging of the souled being come from a similar pool, only maybe the "human" pool?

A: No - it recharges from the so-called sexual center which is a higher center of creative energy. During sleep, the emotional center, not being blocked by the lower intellectual cener and the moving center, transduces the energy from the sexual center. It is also the time during which the higher emotional and intellectual centers can rest from the "drain" of the lower centers' interaction with those pesky organic portals so much loved by the lower centers. This respite alone is sufficient to make a difference. But, more than that, the energy of the sexual center is also more available to the other higher centers.

Q: (L) Well, the next logical question was: where does the so-called "sexual center" get ITS energy?

A: The sexual center is in direct contact with 7th density in its "feminine" creative thought of "Thou, I Love." The "outbreath" of "God" in the relief of constriction. Pulsation. Unstable Gravity Waves.

Q: Do the "centers" as described by Mouravieff relate at all to the idea of "chakras?"

A: Quite closely. In an individual of the organic variety, the so-called higher chakras are "produced in effect" by stealing that energy from souled beings. This is what gives them the ability to emulate souled beings. The souled being is, in effect, perceiving a mirror of their own soul when they ascribe "soul qualities" to such beings.

Q: Is this a correspondence that starts at the basal chakra which relates to the sexual center as described by Mouravieff?

A: No. The "sexual center" corresponds to the solar plexus.

Lower moving center - basal chakra
Lower emotional - sexual chakra
Lower intellectual - throat chakra
Higher emotional - heart chakra
Higher intellectual - crown chakra

Q: (L) What about the so-called seventh, or "third eye" chakra?

A: Seer. The union of the heart and intellectual higher centers.

[Laura's note: This would "close the circuit" in the "shepherd's crook"
configuration.]

Q: (V) What about the many ideas about 12 chakras, and so forth, that are currently being taught by many new age sources? [Barbara Marciniak, for one.]

A: There are no such. This is a corrupted conceptualization based on the false belief that the activation of the physical endocrine system is the same as the creation and fusion of the magnetic center. The higher centers are only "seated" by being "magnetized." And this more or less "External" condition [location of the higher centers] has been perceived by some individuals and later joined to the perceived "seating" locations, in potential. This has led to "cross conceptualization" based on assumption!

Q: Are the levels of initiation and levels of the staircase as presented
by Mouravieff fairly accurate?

A: Yes, but different levels accessed in other so-called lives can relieve
the intensity of some levels in "another" life.

Q: (L) So work on the self in different incarnations - assuming one is not an organic portal - can be cumulative? You can pick up where you left off if you screw up?

A: Yes. To some extent.
 
one of the easist ways to hold a person back / attack / distract them would be through someone they "love" and don't want to hurt, or someone who's opinion you truely value.
A realtionship is such an easiy way to be thrown off track as the emotions involved while interacting so closely with someone else are dangerously intense. I have witnessed so many people being held back by what they think is love, but from an outside perspective it is just draining them. Its so sad that so many people stay in these relationships because society leads you to believe that love is something that "needs to be worked on or constantly fed"
not saying that love is easy...it does require effort...but I am lucky enough to understand that when you meet someone who you truely work well with - the relationship flows naturally and you compliment eachother and life is suddenly not all about treading lighlty so as not to upset your partner and rather about other more important things :)

I think that the couplings of OP and stong STO condidates wouldnt be nessisary to "wake the STO candidate up" to his full potential - but rather to hold them back or distract them from achieving full potential.
 
Alexandra Drake said:
I think that the couplings of OP and stong STO condidates wouldnt be nessisary to "wake the STO candidate up" to his full potential - but rather to hold them back or distract them from achieving full potential.

I do agree with this statement, but i think there can be some exceptions. Although I use the word "love" and think it may be misunderstood, I do feel a bond with my partner of 30 years. Many, many times comments are made by my wife that do drain me. I also "feel" a bond of prior agreement that I am here to "help" this person come along a path of choice. A reacurring dream, throughout my years: WE are in a long line at an amusement park. A roller coaster. A very long line and the wait is long. Finally, it is "our" turn to get in the car. Before I get in, I look back and she is not there. Gone. Simply not there. After all that time in line, she ain't there! I cannot help but get in the car after all that wait. Kinda pressured by the masses and enter the car. ALONE. With nobody sitting next to me. I am in the car leaving the station and do not dream of the ride. I only ever remember the roller coaster car as it re-enters the end of the ride. When it is time to disembark the car, she is there. First in line. As if she was detained. And the attendent tells me to remain seated, she joins me for the next ride.
 
I'd really be interested in peoples thoughts of a course of action. (regarding a beloved brother) He wakes up, in his marriage that produced 5 children realizing he is married to an OP. It doesn't happen one day, but over years being unaware, distracted, drained, having insights....struggling emotionally and he realizes he's married to a robot person. He gains a deep understanding of her. Goes through stages and is at a point where there is an understanding of the state of a non relationship, that it was always and will always be that way. Does not treat her with disrepect. Does not blame. But there's five children.

His wife is highly intelligent and functions for all the outside world, well enough. You could never prove neglect or abuse yet just beneath the surface there is no deep attachment to the children or anyone. It's all a show but it's her show. She could function in this marriage til the end, contently, because how her partner feels doesn't register. They live on the same property in 2 different dwellings. There's no fighting and the interaction between the parents is minimal. Interaction confuses, stresses and drains him to the point of sickness so he's careful.

For her, I don't think there's any awareness that the relationship is different except that it "looks" different to others now that he lives above the garage. The kids go to their father whenever they want and have a deep bond with him. He's in the hotel California in this relationship. His deep concern with leaving is that the children will be over exposed to her. After starving himself for years, he knows what over exposure would do. All I can say is that I know what he means. He would never get the kids, because he looks like the weak one and she gets her identity from her role and would hang on tooth and nail. She is extremely intelligent and knows how to put on a show.
He only works part time to be available to the kids as much as possible and his presence kind of keeps her more vigilant than she would be if he wasn't there.

She fakes life better when eyes are watching. The children are 13, 9, 8 yr old twins and 4.
My question is this. Would leaving be a better STO or would staying?
 
Tough situation. All things considered, he seems to have worked out the best solution in the situation: He lives separate, yet close to the children. No, I don't think leaving would serve anyone.
 
A separate question: are children to an OP monther potentially OP themselves? Can an OP parent produce individually-souled children?
 
There's better to answer this question...but in my brothers family, one of the twins is very much like the mother in looks and characteristics (blonde haired angelic looking, doesn't connect the same way the others do, many more subtle things) and the other twin, dark haired dark eyed like brother, is highly empathetic, perceptive, operates with amazing consideration of others. There is an OP thread here
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=457.0
 
I think that there are number of solutions, meaning that every body (or everybody) is mix of genes from ancestors. It is possible that many of us have both types in our family lines history. Some more, some less. So maybe it depends which DNA will prevail, and for which type of soul it will be suitable. That prevalence would be determined possibly with many different things. If this is correct (this of course easily could be just my imagination) even two brothers (or sisters, or parents and children) could be of different types.
 
Relevant C's quote (after the ones included in Laura's posting):

Session 020914 said:
[...]
Q: (L) The question came up about the remark as to the numbers of OPs and you said something about encountering half as many OP's as souled humans. It was pointed out that, in mathematical terms, that would work out to encountering or interacting with more souled humans than OPs. So, you said the population was evenly distributed, when you say the population was evenly distributed does that mean that there are half organic portals and half souled humans, more or less?
A: Yes
Q: (L) So when you say encountering 'half as many,' what does that mean?
A: It means that "souls" run in families for the most part. Thus a souled, and we mean "potentially fully souled", individual is likely to encounter and interact more with other souled humans. However, when awakening, they may encounter even more OP's.
Q: (L) So they tend to run in families, or there can be aberrations. Or a family that's mostly OP's could have an occasional souled human, which they don't know what to do with. And, in the same way, a family of mostly souled people could have an occasional OP, or a line of them that pops up in the family every now and then. But for the most part, people with souls marry people with souls unless there is some danger of them awakening in which case there's special situation where they insert OP's into their lives. But I would say that in a general sense what they're saying, and y'all can correct me if I'm wrong here, is that, what, water seeks its own level, so to speak?
A: More or less.
[...]
 
They also said something recently (I can't find the session, but I think it got mentioned later - as the need arose - and it had to do with the challenges faced by one of SOTT members - Scott, I think - regarding his family).

They said that due to the large number of souls wishing to incarnate at certain periods of time (such as now), some souls just had to take what was going as far as bodies and families were concered. It sounded rather like something along the lines of 'beggars can't be chosers'.... :lol:

Souls can run in "families" - but are they physical families or soul families? It seems that physical families are such wonderful and well respected resevoir for STS negativity and "trouble and strife" of all types. And probable that souls who have some sort of awareness of the bad things going on will be more at risk via their physical families than their soul families. Afterall, its such a wonderful opportunity for STS influence that its highly unlikely that they'd pass it up, really? Unless the person has some strategically placed STO 'protection', that is.

Anyway, to this day, I am unclear as to which would be more 'dangerous' to a person: A OP who only has access to lower 'centers'; or a highly evolved 'fully souled' individual of strong STS orientation. I guess it just depends on your perspective.... and how much a person "sees". Perhaps knowledge level of the person is an indicator. Certainly, I personally feel that a 'souled' individual with a strong STs orientation is more problematic than an OP, pretty much any tick of the clock. And its not really surprising that OPs 'do better' with STO regimes rather than STS ones. Perhaps they have the opportunity to evolve faster?
 
Thanks Csayeursost, I think that qoute from the C's was right on the button for my question.

"I am unclear as to which would be more 'dangerous' to a person: A OP who only has access to lower 'centers'; or a highly evolved 'fully souled' individual of strong STS orientation."

Wow ~ this is really something to think about Ruth!
I am inclinded to say that an STS person could be more dangerous simply because their conscious goal would be to take. BUT...perhaps an OP, being somewhat of a robot, is being controlled by a 4th density STS being and that would make them equally dangerous.
(This clearly doesnt answer your questions at all :) I'm just thinking out loud :))
 

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