Ow ow ow....physical side effects?

[Gimpy]

I finished reading "Adventures" and started to read the "Wave" sections. Since starting the Wave it seems my muscles are withering. (????) I do have Multiple Sclerosis, and I am currently in an exercise program for building muscles up...but this is visible change one day to the next. (I read online text with sunglasses) Hot flashes I have all the time, but this is totally new and a bit spooky.

Has anyone had similar physical phenomena? I'm beginning to wonder if I should read a section, wait a couple days, and read another. I never know if its MS, balderdash from my mind, or simple medication reactions when phenomena crops up. I can handle a blown lightbulb, or a flying coffee cup by working out a little more. I've not had physical reactions much.


Thoughts? Ideas? Supplement suggestions?


Gimpy
I know its not pms, other than that, I'm stumped. :)

 

[Novelis]

Hi Gimpy,
I've been experiencing hot flashes and pains, especially in my joints for a long time now which started when I first started "seeking". I've had many ailments throughout my life, sometimes quite severely in the stomach, shoulders, hips and lower back.
I'm not entirely sure what these pains are either, but I can give you my current hypothesis. In the wave, Laura herself also has severe health problems for unknown reasons, and the problems went away when the spirit was cleansed.

(I can't get into Cassiopaea.org at the moment but I'll provide suitable links when I can)

From my experience, problems on the spiritual level reciprocates "downwards" and manifests as mental, emotional and physical problems, if you've got unhealthy problems in your mind, you can bet there is a manifestation of the problem in physical terms. I'm just speculating, but reading material that dramatically alters the way your mind works and that which is in "synch" with your spiritual disposition also dramatically alters your energy flow in your body. (I get increased energy sensations in the head whenever reading material like the wave and Secret history of the world.)

Anyway, from your description you don't sound too healthy. In energy terms, you haven't got a smooth flow of Qi (energy) because of "blockages" in your energy ways. These "blockages" in energy terms is tension in physical terms. Imagine a highway that is congested and going nowhere, what do you think would happen if hundreds of speeding cars rammed head on to the back of the traffic jam? Utter chaos results. That's what is basically happening. Due to reading material that increases the energy flow around the body, the energy encounters a blockage, and tries to force its way through. Sometimes the Qi does manage to squeeze it's way through the congested bits, which results in discomfort and pain, but sometimes the Qi hits dark spots in your energy "highways" that have been blocked for a long time, which triggers increased awareness of your own body, the new awareness signals to your mind that something is quite wrong there, which results in PAIN. The amount of pain depends on the severity of the blockage, sometimes the blockage is so bad that you can become very ill, it's about balance, if you throw yourself out of balance too much, you could even die.

What exercises are you doing? Blockages are always manifested as tension in the physical body, if you want smooth Qi "highways" that can handle the extra "traffic" you'll get from reading the wave, I 'd start unblocking and broadening your energy highways by learning how to truly relax and get rid of unnecessary tension you've been accumulating since the day of your birth.
I started Tai chi a while ago, and that's when I started to notice how bad of a shape I have been in my entire life. I'm quite grateful really that I chose Tai chi as a daily exercise regime, simply because most exercises use and can induce tension in the body. That's ok as long as you're in good health, but if you happen to have lots of tension in the body that you aren't aware of, (Like me) then exercises of this kind can lead to severe problems.
Most people are simply unaware of their own blockages; they can't even walk or stand abiding to natural principles of how your body's mechanics work. So they blindly start exercising in an attempt to get fit, but what they don't realise is they'll probably be doing more harm to themselves than good because EVERY action they perform is ignorant of how the body should move. A while ago I wanted to get fit, so I started running two miles everyday, but I harmed myself in the end, because I wasn't aware of how to run properly. Only now am I starting to realise how to stand without causing tension in my hips, back, neck and knees. Why learn how to run before you can even walk?
That's the wonderful thing about Tai Chi, ALL the movements are natural and in accordance with the laws of how to move correctly, if you perform tai chi and feel pain and tension anywhere, you are doing it wrong, it's that simple. The body's joints and various parts are all interlinked, doing harm to one affects the other, likewise, doing good to one does good to all the others too, reading the wave and working on yourself WILL eventually clear the blockages around your body, it's your choice whether you want the process to be calm, progressive and less painful by learning how to clear your energy circuit while reading truth, or if you want the spiritual healing process to be sudden, painful and erratic. I chose the former because I know my body isn't fit and will find it hard to cope with the huge changes in energetic physiology as the result of reading the material of this site. But, there are people who wouldn't need to learn Qi gong (Energy work) because their bodies can handle it. It's up to the individual I think. So, what do you think? I think you're right when you said that you should take it easy. Again, this is my working hypothesis at the moment based on my experience, I might be wrong, but I hope this helps.

 

[Gimpy]

Hi Gimpy,

From my experience, problems on the spiritual level reciprocates "downwards" and manifests as mental, emotional and physical problems, if you've got unhealthy problems in your mind, you can bet there is a manifestation of the problem in physical terms. I'm just speculating, but reading material that dramatically alters the way your mind works and that which is in "synch" with your spiritual disposition also dramatically alters your energy flow in your body. (I get increased energy sensations in the head whenever reading material like the wave and Secret history of the world.)

Anyway, from your description you don't sound too healthy. In energy terms, you haven't got a smooth flow of Qi (energy) because of "blockages" in your energy ways. These "blockages" in energy terms is tension in physical terms. Imagine a highway that is congested and going nowhere, what do you think would happen if hundreds of speeding cars rammed head on to the back of the traffic jam? Utter chaos results. That's what is basically happening. Due to reading material that increases the energy flow around the body, the energy encounters a blockage, and tries to force its way through. Sometimes the Qi does manage to squeeze it's way through the congested bits, which results in discomfort and pain, but sometimes the Qi hits dark spots in your energy "highways" that have been blocked for a long time, which triggers increased awareness of your own body, the new awareness signals to your mind that something is quite wrong there, which results in PAIN. The amount of pain depends on the severity of the blockage, sometimes the blockage is so bad that you can become very ill, it's about balance, if you throw yourself out of balance too much, you could even die.

What exercises are you doing? Blockages are always manifested as tension in the physical body, if you want smooth Qi "highways" that can handle the extra "traffic" you'll get from reading the wave, I 'd start unblocking and broadening your energy highways by learning how to truly relax and get rid of unnecessary tension you've been accumulating since the day of your birth.
I started Tai chi a while ago, and that's when I started to notice how bad of a shape I have been in my entire life. I'm quite grateful really that I chose Tai chi as a daily exercise regime, simply because most exercises use and can induce tension in the body. That's ok as long as you're in good health, but if you happen to have lots of tension in the body that you aren't aware of, (Like me) then exercises of this kind can lead to severe problems.

Hi Novelis,

Yeah, I'm a wreck. :) I've been leery of Reiki for a number of years. Why? Most of the practitioners were more interested in money than much else where I was living, and that never bodes well. I did have a massage therapist once when working in nursing homes years ago. She was great!
One of my co-workers is a good tension release person. ( I don't remember the term for it, but she has a side business in massage therapy) I'll touch base with her about looking for energy blocks. She's been wanting to learn it for years. She may even know someone who isn't in it for the money....never know til ya ask. :)

Exercise wise, I've been in Physical Therapy for the last few weeks for my neck and upper back. Just basic stuff. I also go to a pool and water walk against a current. (Its rougher than it sounds) I'm going for a pool visit card to take arthritis pool work and something they call "aqua x" which looks like water aerobics. I've done Tai chi at home, but my balance kind of stinks and I fall alot. Right now I do Yoga poses leaning agianst a wall. It looks silly but I don't land on my head. :)

I took a tape measure to my legs and found out they actually swell up quite a bit during the day.(which I didn't know) Sitting and reading so much could have lessened that, I'm just not sure. My brother in law suggested that I set a timer for 15 minutes, get up when it goes off, do something else for the next 15 etc, so I'm not sitting in one spot too long. When I get into a good book, time really goes away! Before i know it, my butt is numb, the legs are both asleep, and I am stuck in the chair.

With MS, everything goes right to my body. My hubby picked up a massage chair for me last year, and sometimes I just sit in it to relax. That helps bunches.

Balance in all things. *Sigh* The C's are spot on about it all being about lessons!

I'll talk to paula about a body worker, meantime I'll have a go with a timer and see if that works.

Thank you!

Gimpy

 

[Novelis]

One of my co-workers is a good tension release person. (I don't remember the term for it, but she has a side business in massage therapy) I'll touch base with her about looking for energy blocks. She's been wanting to learn it for years. She may even know someone who isn't in it for the money....never know til ya ask.

Have you thought about learning massage for yourself? I started to learn Shiatzu and tend to self massage whenever I feel there's a problem anywhere. I know I'm not very good at it yet, but I find it immensely rewarding to know that not only can I tend to myself, but the more you learn about how to do it, the easier it is to do it on others as well. Here are some recommended books:

Shiatzu: Japanese Finger Pressure for Energy, Sexual Vitality and Relief from Pain. ISBN: 0140193308. Author: Yukiko Irwin

This book is acupressure designed for beginners, to fully understand the complex energy field in the body takes a lot of study from Qi gong books. You can go to a Chinese medicine shop and ask if they have any Energy field maps or figurines laying out the acupuncture points on the human body. (Acupuncture and Acupressure follow the same maps.)
Alternatively, get this book about Qi gong; there is a full outline inside of how energy circulates in detail:

The Root of Chinese Qigong: Secrets for Health, Longevity and Enlightenment.
ISBN: 1886969507. Author: Dr Yang Jwing Ming

There is another way of learning about your own energy field without ANY movement at all, my whole exploration into tai chi and Qi gong started on these foundations. The good thing about this method is that you can't bring harm to yourself; you can just do it while sitting or lying down. But the true value of this method emerges when you get good enough to do it WHILE doing other things like reading or swimming, it's easy to pick up, incredibly progressive, and you can never finish learning. Read through the introduction and see what you think:
http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=6

I managed to learn this Qi gong only from the website, it's free and can be easily picked up. There is no one that knows your body better than you, I think it's best to start learning about it for yourself, it doesn't matter where you start, all studies into Qi (energy) compliment each other and are based on the same principles. Doesn't matter whether it's Pilates, yoga, martial arts Etcetera... The thing about Reiki is the need to find a master, whereas with New Energy Ways (N.E.W) you can start from where you are comfortable, teach yourself, and learn to sense the energy of others as well.

Exercise wise, I've been in Physical Therapy for the last few weeks for my neck and upper back. Just basic stuff. I also go to a pool and water walk against a current. (Its rougher than it sounds) I'm going for a pool visit card to take arthritis pool work and something they call "aqua x" which looks like water aerobics. I've done Tai chi at home, but my balance kind of stinks and I fall alot. Right now I do Yoga poses leaning agianst a wall. It looks silly but I don't land on my head.

Sounds good to me! Take it as easy as you think your body can handle.
I knew this woman once that came to my Tai chi class a few times, she was permanently in a wheel chair and so couldn't learn what we were learning, but there are ways of doing Tai chi sat down. She didn't seem to know much externally, but she was very knowledgeable of her internal energy workings. I regard Qi gong as a science where your body is the laboratory for study, every lab has its weaknesses and quirks, and all you can do is work with what you've got.

 

[Pierre]

Tai chi (body spirit harmony), Qi cong (Qi harmonious flow) and Neu Cong (Qi build up) can be synergetic.

I guess identifying a reliable teacher is a plus because the essential features in Tai chi, Chi Cong or Neu Cung are subtle, sometimes customized and often invisible.

In addition the progression within each disciplines and between the three of them has to be personalized in order to maintain an harmonious and balanced energetic growth all along the way.

 

[Novelis]

I guess identifying a reliable teacher is a plus because the essential features in Tai chi, Chi Cong or Neu Cung are subtle, sometimes customized and often invisible.

Tell me about it! If someone asked me "So what's so good about Tai Chi Then?" I can't "show" them S**t, it looks like nothing out of the ordinary.
I agree that's why finding a good master is vital with Tai Chi, the progress can be significantly quicker than searching for yourself, a good master can actually pick up on the finest of details, but that's not to say that one can't find many subtle truths for oneself, it depends on your awareness of your energy fields, which is why I recommend New energy ways and study in acupressure.

 

[Gimpy]

There is another way of learning about your own energy field without ANY movement at all, my whole exploration into tai chi and Qi gong started on these foundations. The good thing about this method is that you can't bring harm to yourself; you can just do it while sitting or lying down. But the true value of this method emerges when you get good enough to do it WHILE doing other things like reading or swimming, it's easy to pick up, incredibly progressive, and you can never finish learning. Read through the introduction and see what you think:
http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=6

I managed to learn this Qi gong only from the website, it's free and can be easily picked up. There is no one that knows your body better than you, I think it's best to start learning about it for yourself, it doesn't matter where you start, all studies into Qi (energy) compliment each other and are based on the same principles. Doesn't matter whether it's Pilates, yoga, martial arts Etcetera... The thing about Reiki is the need to find a master, whereas with New Energy Ways (N.E.W) you can start from where you are comfortable, teach yourself, and learn to sense the energy of others as well.

Exercise wise, I've been in Physical Therapy for the last few weeks for my neck and upper back. Just basic stuff. I also go to a pool and water walk against a current. (Its rougher than it sounds) I'm going for a pool visit card to take arthritis pool work and something they call "aqua x" which looks like water aerobics. I've done Tai chi at home, but my balance kind of stinks and I fall alot. Right now I do Yoga poses leaning agianst a wall. It looks silly but I don't land on my head.

Sounds good to me! Take it as easy as you think your body can handle.
I knew this woman once that came to my Tai chi class a few times, she was permanently in a wheel chair and so couldn't learn what we were learning, but there are ways of doing Tai chi sat down. She didn't seem to know much externally, but she was very knowledgeable of her internal energy workings. I regard Qi gong as a science where your body is the laboratory for study, every lab has its weaknesses and quirks, and all you can do is work with what you've got.

**smacks forehead**

Robert Bruce?? I have both his books! Astral Dynamics and Psychic Self Defense....wow. Now I feel a little stupid. ;)

I loved the site though. I'd gotten about to the point to explore his new energy ways when things at home got too busy. Doing things on my own is how I like to start, and if I get stuck, then I look for advice. My PT has referred me to an acupuncturist in case my neck gets bad again, so we'll see.

Thank you! Why is it the answers are staring us in the face, and we can't always see them? I used to think it was just MS, now i'm not so sure....


Gimpy

 

[Pierre]

I've done Tai chi at home, but my balance kind of stinks and I fall alot.

You don't really need particular balance capacities to practive Tai Chi because Tai Chi is made of fundamentally balanced movement (physically, breethingly and energetically), if done correctly

Ultimately the Tai Chi practicioner body follows the subtle movements of his gravity center.

To reach this balance you have to correctly learn the movements (not only/really intellectually but intimately) that seems very simple but are extremely rich.

So you need time to start really knowing one movement (ie making a balanced/harmonious movement). A competent teacher will find this correct pace, identify all the invisble but meaningful mistakes and customize the movement according to your specificites.

For example the very first movement of Tai Chi, seems extremely simple (basic weight transfer from one foot to the other one). Though it might be the most important and the most difficult one. One practitioner usually starts to do it relatively correctly after a couple of years of daily exercice.

 

[Novelis]

To reach this balance you have to correctly learn the movements (not only/really intellectually but intimately) that seems very simple but are extremely rich.

Beautifully written. :)

Robert Bruce?? I have both his books! Astral Dynamics and Psychic Self Defense....wow. Now I feel a little stupid.

New Energy Ways is the MOST simple form of energy work I've ever come across, and the more one learns about All the different sciences of Qi, the more advanced your practice becomes. It's the most simple, yet the most advanced. I've never been good at sticking to constant work, that's why I love N.E.W, you can practice it any time, any where, and the progression is slow and steady like the turtle. If you want to practice a form of Qi gong (Energy work), I recommend this one, you'll be amazed how much progress you can make in one year, you'll make it "your own".

 

[Marie]

Well, looks like I'm coming from the left field a little bit.

I had a look at the new energy ways maybe a year ago; I found it interesting but had no time to follow up; I am very much considering taking it up now.


I would generally agree that a lot of diseases are caused by energetic/emotional blockages (same thing?) and energy work is surely helpful. In your first post on this thread you ask if anyone has supplement suggestions - which I take to mean that you're also interested in physical, 3d remedies. I've looked up my favorite health sites and here's what I found regarding MS:

taking vitamin D supplements may positively influence the immune systems of patients with MS

Curry spice may fight multiple sclerosis (the lab tests look promising)

Here are two texts from Dr. Saul regarding MS - it's interesting, but not extensive; he very much recommends this text, and says it includes about five pages of a MS treatment protocol.


What I see from a quick overview is that vitamin D seems helpful (you can get some from sunlight), as well as the curcumin found in turmeric, a.k.a. curry spice. The best results seem to come from following a high quality diet with raw fruits and veggies and high doses of nutrients. Dr. Mercola stresses that milk and dairies must be removed; also, apparently MS patients should be careful of mercury... There's a lot of stuff there. Maybe a good starting point would be here?

The way I see it is that diseases are a result of several factors - i.e. spiritual or emotional problems turn into/are energy blockages, which will trigger or compound illnesses to which there is a physiological vulnerability (or maybe those energy blockages are a physiological vulnerability?). In any case, I think the ideal approach would be one that deals with energetic and physiological causes at the same time - though needless to say, those are just my ideas, and only you can tell what works for you.

 

[Novelis]

In your first post on this thread you ask if anyone has supplement suggestions - which I take to mean that you're also interested in physical, 3d remedies.

Reading Robert Bruce's books on New Energy Ways can give you all you need in order to DO the work. But after a while practicing it, I was quickly filling up with questions regarding the details. How does it work? Is there an unsafe way of moving energy around Etcetera...? If one wants to understand the theory backing up how it works, it's a good idea to look into the eastern medical science that's behind Acupuncture. (Just because that's the most comprehensive and complete study I've come across) The theory is totally logical to me and is just as "3d" as western medical science.

The way I see it is that diseases are a result of several factors - i.e. spiritual or emotional problems turn into/are energy blockages, which will trigger or compound illnesses to which there is a physiological vulnerability (or maybe those energy blockages are a physiological vulnerability?). In any case, I think the ideal approach would be one that deals with energetic and physiological causes at the same time

I agree. Both could be checked out for the maximum benefit. I know this example is nothing like MS but I had a cold a bit ago and was feeling rough one morning, I got up, did some Qi gong to relax myself as much as possible, then went and had a hot drink of Lemsip (Lemon drink that clears up sinuses and contains paracetamol) with honey and a pinch of ginger. This combination of eastern and western treatment works very well together for colds; I'm willing to bet there is a combination of both worlds that could help your situation too Gimpy.
The reason why I recommended N.E.W is because western treatment, I think, can leave you feeling a bit helpless in the hands of prescribed medication from professionals, I know swallowing the pill will make me feel better, but I can't grasp how it works due to my lack of understanding of the immensely complicated chemical reactions the pill causes, to understand the process takes many years of intense study, and to be frank, I'm just not that bright or dedicated to that particular field of study. In contrast with eastern medical science, I can APPLY what I'm learning much easier, no matter how little my understanding is. Depending on your own level of understanding, you can prescribe yourself/others beneficial treatment in the form of simple Qi gong that can aid the process of healing, thus becoming more self dependant instead of ONLY relying on the expertise of others. If you know your own body, you can help yourself. So although I wouldn't abandon western medical treatment, I think it's also good to learn about eastern medical sciences. It just so happens that N.E.W, being the simplest Qi gong can lead you to an understanding as advanced as you want it to be through research that can be tested and verified. OSIT

though needless to say, those are just my ideas, and only you can tell what works for you.

Definitely, these are only my experiences and ideas which work for me, shop around! :)

 

[PopHistorian]

There's loads of anecdotal evidence to support the idea that when one pushes against or otherwise resists the mechanical workings of our control system, the system "pushes back" at you. This can manifest in a lot of ways, but physical problems seem to be a common one. Check out this page on the General Law, as it's called:
http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=29&lsel=G

It's happened to me this year -- got sick for a whole month upon beginning some work that I had to overcome self-resistance to start, and now again upon the verge of finishing it.

 

[net8a]

Maybe, as you read the cass material, you become aware... of yourself and the world around.

I got aches on the shoulders and knees while reading The Wave, months ago.

 

[Gimpy]

Well, looks like I'm coming from the left field a little bit.

I had a look at the new energy ways maybe a year ago; I found it interesting but had no time to follow up; I am very much considering taking it up now.


I would generally agree that a lot of diseases are caused by energetic/emotional blockages (same thing?) and energy work is surely helpful. In your first post on this thread you ask if anyone has supplement suggestions - which I take to mean that you're also interested in physical, 3d remedies. I've looked up my favorite health sites and here's what I found regarding MS:

taking vitamin D supplements may positively influence the immune systems of patients with MS

Curry spice may fight multiple sclerosis (the lab tests look promising)

Here are two texts from Dr. Saul regarding MS - it's interesting, but not extensive; he very much recommends this text, and says it includes about five pages of a MS treatment protocol.


What I see from a quick overview is that vitamin D seems helpful (you can get some from sunlight), as well as the curcumin found in turmeric, a.k.a. curry spice. The best results seem to come from following a high quality diet with raw fruits and veggies and high doses of nutrients. Dr. Mercola stresses that milk and dairies must be removed; also, apparently MS patients should be careful of mercury... There's a lot of stuff there. Maybe a good starting point would be here?

The way I see it is that diseases are a result of several factors - i.e. spiritual or emotional problems turn into/are energy blockages, which will trigger or compound illnesses to which there is a physiological vulnerability (or maybe those energy blockages are a physiological vulnerability?). In any case, I think the ideal approach would be one that deals with energetic and physiological causes at the same time - though needless to say, those are just my ideas, and only you can tell what works for you.

Wow. Thanks to everybody! I'm familiar with the 'control system', though i didnt know to call it that til recently. Emotionally and physically I'm a wreck, but determined to work through it. As for the many treatments offered for MS, I've found the disease is very individual. What works for some tanks with another. In short....I've got a lot of work to do, but have hopes to post later with postive news.

In the meantime I've got a lot to shovel. LOL


Gimpy