Pap smears and birth control

[knowledge_of_self]

Hello group:

This is something I brought up in this thread and I'm inquiring about now...

It has taken a long time and I have no one to blame but myself and my own shy/self-important programs.

I've never had good experience with doctors. I know, who has right? Well... because I've never had good experience with doctors I have never had a 'true' family doctor. So the first time I went for a pap smear, it was a random lady doctor who basically traumatized me to the procedure because she did not do the job right as further experience led me to realize. Anyway, when I first started doing pap smears I was told that I had "irregular cells" that "have the potential to lead to cervical cancer", which I had to go to a special gynecologist for and get them removed. After she removed the "irregular cells" I attended a few more paps and everything was normal but stopped after a while.

It takes a LOT of mustering up of will for me to make myself go to one. I haven't been able to find a consistently good female doctor to go to, and it's just an all around very uncomfortable experience (as I'm sure you all know ladies).

And every time I end up going to a new doctor I have the same conversation with them about birth-control. I don't use birth control (except for condoms) because I don't want to put pills in my body (I've reacted to them badly when I was younger) and I don't want to take shots etc..

But doctors don't seem to understand that, and like sales people they keep asking me and pushing different drugs on me when I'm there for this already uncomfortable experience, making it even more uncomfortable than it already is.

So now, my question is ... do we REALLY need to go to them every six months? I haven't, and sometimes I think about it out of nowhere.

My other question is about birth control. Are there actually good birth control pills? My experience with them is very limited other than a few pills I tired when I was a teenager that were just not working with my system.

Other things to note: I've tried hard to implement the diet here as best I can. I've cut out gluten/grains and sugar (replaced sugar with xylitol) Eat fatty meat and low/no carbs. I won't lie, I've had occasional slips on my diet but the slips are getting less frequent which I consider improvement on my part. Neema and I have experimented with the bone broth a few times as well recently, trying to go into the Ketogenic diet as well. I take magnesium supplements and stuff once in a while, but I have to admit I'm bad at remembering to take pills.

 

[Hildegarda]

Consider going to a midwife who also does women's well care. They are usually very gentle. A little thing like warming up a speculum before using can make a huge difference. Also, some of them will use a mirror for you to follow your exam. This is very empowering. They are also usually more nuanced when it comes to discussing contraception.

I believe the current guidelines for Pap are once a year, or once every 3 years for a young woman with two or more consecutive non-remarkable exams. Because of your previous history, I would be perhaps more diligent rather than not about it if I were you. Additionally, an exam is more than just Pap; it's one of the few medical well checks that actually that has a real preventive value across the woman's health board.

I hope you can find a good provider soon. I know how important it is.

 

[Laura]

Well, that's a touchy issue for sure. I've never had an "irregular" pap test return so my input may be useless. Since I had my last baby over 22 years ago, I've only had one pap and only because the doctor harassed me to do it back in 2004. Believe me, after five babies, I'd had enough of gynecologists poking and prodding. During the time when I was having my kids, etc, I had such bad experiences with totally ignorant doctors (9 out of 10) that I don't think I would trust them even if they said I had "irregular cells". Can't forget the 9 that said I had cancer when I was, in fact, pregnant and had an ovarian cyst.

Probably, on the paleo/keto diet, you could get a couple more at 6 to 8 month intervals and if they are normal, then extend the period to a year or so. But it is really up to you. Forget birth control pills, they are evil. Condoms or a diaphragm work fine.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

FWIW, I totally agree with what has been said so far. Keep looking for s.o. who will be gentle and respect you. More often than not, medecine is a business just like any other, so you have the right to be satisfied and respected as a customer.

As far as the frequency of pap smears is concerned, personally, I think it's a bit overdone. I'm 37 and had one pap smears that showed something 'out of the ordinary'. It was benign and more than probably candida (was a vegetarian at the time). If mammographs are anything to go by, a higher frequency of exams leads very often to wrongful diagnosis and procedures being recommended when they are not necessary. If you never had any problem in that area and eat the right stuff (the diet will go a long way to protect and heal that part of your body:as we see in the testimonies, by positively affecting menstruation, getting rid of candida, etc.), then maybe you don't need to go that often? Others may think differently.

Lastly, since there are two people in a relationship, have you considered asking Neema what kind of contraception he prefers using?
Only you two can know what's best for you, but men can also take charge in this area and women sometimes forget about that.

 

[Gaby]

I would like to point out that butchery DOESN'T have to be the treatment for an abnormal pap test. Other than the keto diet, folic acid has had great results in reverting the problem despite the disinformation about it. Here is a short and sweet account of a case:

Simple Remedy for Abnormal Pap Smear

_http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/abnormalpapsmear.html

Pap Smears Revert to Normal with the Right Treatment

by John R. Lee, M.D.

A premenopausal woman (in her ‘40s) named Nancy wrote me three months ago to tell me she was scheduled to have a hysterectomy because of abnormal (dysplasia) Pap smears. She had been treated with birth control pills (why is a mystery) but the Pap smear was still abnormal. I referred her to our PREmenopause book and suggested that she consider three months of cyclic progesterone cream (15 mg/day of progesterone from day 12 to day 26 of the cycle), folic acid (4 to 5 mg/day), and vitamin B6 (50 mg/day), and then get another Pap smear. I asked her to let me know the results.

Last week Nancy wrote to report that her repeat Pap smears were entirely normal. She said that her doctor did a cervical biopsy and it, too, was entirely normal. Her doctor called it a spontaneous remission and reluctantly cancelled their intended surgery. I suggested she get another repeat Pap smear in six months to mollify her doctor. I get mail like Nancy’s every week: this approach is certainly preferable to a hysterectomy, by any measure.

In my experience, the great majority of abnormal Pap smears (that are not due to obvious inflammation) are due to deficiencies of folic acid and progesterone, and they all routinely revert to normal cells when the deficiencies are corrected.

This article was originally published in the John R. Lee, M.D. Medical Letter.

A high-school girlfriend was so beaten up and destroyed after having a surgical removal after an abnormal pap test. To this day she hasn't been able to conceive because the cervix is too weak and she ends up aborting. It is extremely disheartening to see how many suffer unnecessarily due to mass prescribed mutilations of our bodies. Not to mention breast surgery! You get the idea.

It is a pretty common virus and like any other virus, taking care of your body through diet goes a long way in fighting it.

If our body's mutilations were not enough, the vaccine is the single most evil one that has ever being made. It is just downright dangerous. Women in my country were used as guinea pigs for the vaccine and that alone is upsetting enough. Just read yesterday that it destroyed the ovaries of a young girl. Argh!

 

[knowledge_of_self]

Consider going to a midwife who also does women's well care. They are usually very gentle. A little thing like warming up a speculum before using can make a huge difference. Also, some of them will use a mirror for you to follow your exam. This is very empowering. They are also usually more nuanced when it comes to discussing contraception.

Thanks for your advice Hildegarda. I have to look into the midwife. I don't think we have anything like that in Canada, or at least not in BC.. but I'll have to look into it more.

Warming up the speculum does go a long way...
The first time I got mine done the lady did not warm the speculum up or walk me through it and she was very rough and caused me to have a really awful experience. To say that I felt like I got raped after I walked out of that clinic is an understatement.

Lastly, since there are two people in a relationship, have you considered asking Neema what kind of contraception he prefers using?

He thinks abstinence is the best form of birth control ;D but joking aside, he thinks condoms are good enough. He has always been against me taking pills or getting a shot or anything like that (and so am I).

During the time when I was having my kids, etc, I had such bad experiences with totally ignorant doctors (9 out of 10) that I don't think I would trust them even if they said I had "irregular cells". Can't forget the 9 that said I had cancer when I was, in fact, pregnant and had an ovarian cyst.

wow! Yeah this is why I'm so doubtful of anything doctors say now days. When I was told I had "irregular cells", I didn't believe it myself until the specialist confirmed it. It's so sad that modern medical industry is such a joke and causes young women like me to have such horrible experiences. I was never taught about paps from my mom or peers so everything I learned, I learned through experience.

Probably, on the paleo/keto diet, you could get a couple more at 6 to 8 month intervals and if they are normal, then extend the period to a year or so. But it is really up to you. Forget birth control pills, they are evil. Condoms or a diaphragm work fine.

I think that's a key thing. Probably diet does go a long way in preventing the forming of these "irregular cells" and candida. So I just have to keep up the diet and see what happens. I'll probably go in for a pap soon just to see what the verdict is after so long.. it's been about 3 or more years since I've been to one.

I would like to point out that butchery DOESN'T have to be the treatment for an abnormal pap test. Other than the keto diet, folic acid has had great results in reverting the problem despite the disinformation about it. Here is a short and sweet account of a case:

Simple Remedy for Abnormal Pap Smear

_http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/abnormalpapsmear.html

Pap Smears Revert to Normal with the Right Treatment

by John R. Lee, M.D.

A premenopausal woman (in her ‘40s) named Nancy wrote me three months ago to tell me she was scheduled to have a hysterectomy because of abnormal (dysplasia) Pap smears. She had been treated with birth control pills (why is a mystery) but the Pap smear was still abnormal. I referred her to our PREmenopause book and suggested that she consider three months of cyclic progesterone cream (15 mg/day of progesterone from day 12 to day 26 of the cycle), folic acid (4 to 5 mg/day), and vitamin B6 (50 mg/day), and then get another Pap smear. I asked her to let me know the results.

Last week Nancy wrote to report that her repeat Pap smears were entirely normal. She said that her doctor did a cervical biopsy and it, too, was entirely normal. Her doctor called it a spontaneous remission and reluctantly cancelled their intended surgery. I suggested she get another repeat Pap smear in six months to mollify her doctor. I get mail like Nancy’s every week: this approach is certainly preferable to a hysterectomy, by any measure.

In my experience, the great majority of abnormal Pap smears (that are not due to obvious inflammation) are due to deficiencies of folic acid and progesterone, and they all routinely revert to normal cells when the deficiencies are corrected.

This article was originally published in the John R. Lee, M.D. Medical Letter.

A high-school girlfriend was so beaten up and destroyed after having a surgical removal after an abnormal pap test. To this day she hasn't been able to conceive because the cervix is too weak and she ends up aborting. It is extremely disheartening to see how many suffer unnecessarily due to mass prescribed mutilations of our bodies. Not to mention breast surgery! You get the idea.

It is a pretty common virus and like any other virus, taking care of your body through diet goes a long way in fighting it.

If our body's mutilations were not enough, the vaccine is the single most evil one that has ever being made. It is just downright dangerous. Women in my country were used as guinea pigs for the vaccine and that alone is upsetting enough. Just read yesterday that it destroyed the ovaries of a young girl. Argh!

Hmm I bought a vitamin B-complex a while ago but I'm not sure if it was a vitamin B6 (can't seem to find it right now). I'm gonna have to stop by the drug store and pick some up along with the rest of the highlighted stuff - especially if the new results come back - not good.

What a horrible story thing that happened to your friend. Thank god my first exam wasn't as bad as this one seemed to have been... that's just awful.

I know what you mean about shots. I read about the adverse effects of it all the time. It boggles my mind that women still even consider it as an option.

Even worse is those weird pills now you see on infomersials with a HUGE list of side-effects. I saw one the other day that had like 20 side-effects and some were "blood-clots, heart problems and death" And the commercial goes, "if you experience any of these, call your doctor immediately!" and I'm thinking, a person dies and they gotta call the doctor, now that's logic for ya.