Papers Please...

[Lan8r]

I am not sure if this is the place to post this, but surely the admins will move it if necessary.

Anyway, I just wanted to share my recent experience renewing my drivers license. Last time I renewed online, which was very convenient. It seems that one can not do that two years in a row, so this year I had to go in person to the DMV. That definitely is a bummer, but I have done that before over the past 34 years that I have had a drivers license in the State of Florida.

So, I get up early, do my hair and makeup (for the picture!), and drive two towns away to the closest DL office. I am then told that I need 4 forms of ID to renew the license I have had for 34 yrs. I need a certified birth certificate, social security card and two forms of proof of residency. A certified birth certificate? Like I carry one in my back pocket? Like this is Nazi Germany and I have to prove my bloodlines? I was flabbergasted!

Well, thank goodness I had a certified birth certificate, it took me two days of looking through paperwork to find it, but after 49 yrs of life, I was glad that I had proof of my birth!! So I ventured again, through two towns to the DL office. I handed all my proof that I exist and sat in a long line of people waiting to smile for the camera and receive permission to operate a vehicle, only to find that they do not accept VISA (my debit card goes through Visa). Mastercard, Discover and American Express only!! I kept my mouth shut until I was processed and then said "What, you don't take Visa?". So I had to go several blocks away to the nearest bank with an ATM to get cash!!
In America, the country of my birth, the land of the Free?! OY!

But the clerk was very nice and kindly informed me that next time, in 2020, I can renew online!! :) Bless her heart!

 

[mcb]

I am not sure if this is the place to post this, but surely the admins will move it if necessary.

...Like this is Nazi Germany and I have to prove my bloodlines?...

Worse. It's Florida. Be glad you didn't have to prove your allegiance, or show your vaccination history (I hope I'm not giving anyone ideas). Not every place in the country is quite this bad yet, but it's a work in progress. It takes time, not to mention a fair number of false flag operations of one kind or another, to convince *everyone* that it's for their own good.

 

[ec1968]

So, I get up early, do my hair and makeup (for the picture!), and drive two towns away to the closest DL office. I am then told that I need 4 forms of ID to renew the license I have had for 34 yrs. I need a certified birth certificate, social security card and two forms of proof of residency. A certified birth certificate? Like I carry one in my back pocket? Like this is Nazi Germany and I have to prove my bloodlines? I was flabbergasted!

Are you really suggesting that having to show your birth certificate to renew your driver's permit makes life in Florida in any way equivalent to life under the Nazis? Sure, it might have been inconvenient for you to have to drive home again and search for your birth certificate. What exactly is it that makes that like Nazi Germany? Were you under threat of being shot if you didn't find it?

 

[Scottie]

So, I get up early, do my hair and makeup (for the picture!), and drive two towns away to the closest DL office. I am then told that I need 4 forms of ID to renew the license I have had for 34 yrs. I need a certified birth certificate, social security card and two forms of proof of residency. A certified birth certificate? Like I carry one in my back pocket? Like this is Nazi Germany and I have to prove my bloodlines? I was flabbergasted!

Are you really suggesting that having to show your birth certificate to renew your driver's permit makes life in Florida in any way equivalent to life under the Nazis? Sure, it might have been inconvenient for you to have to drive home again and search for your birth certificate. What exactly is it that makes that like Nazi Germany? Were you under threat of being shot if you didn't find it?

Well, let's see... We know that the US government has and is kidnapping whomever it likes, shipping them off to Guantanamo, pumping them full of scopolamine, torturing them, holding them without trial, etc. We know that the US government is hell bent on destroying whatever countries they please. That is exactly like Nazi Germany.

Fascism already exists in many countries. And the US empire (with lots of help from other countries) is slaughtering whomever they choose, whenever they choose. The US military and intelligence communities alone have been assassinating whomever they want and committing genocide wherever they choose. Iraq? Afghanistan? Countless Central American countries? The list goes on, and on, and on, over decades.

The only difference is that this time around, "they" don't let it get too out of hand just yet, because it's like the frog in slowly heating water. The whole idea, I think, is to have open fascism without anyone realizing that it IS fascism. Once people realize it, they will fight it.

By objecting to the comparison, you are in fact helping the "bad guys" do their job. For example, no, Freya was not in danger of being shot if she didn't find her IDs. But don't you think that many Germans were never in danger of being shot when they had to find their papers? Many Germans lived relatively normal lives during the Nazi regime, which was the entire point. There was just enough normalcy that people wouldn't object, and continue to fool themselves into thinking that things weren't so bad. Just look at the reports of Germans who still denied the genocide even after the war was over.

I would imagine many of them made similar objections to yours when others around them said that the Nazis were committing genocide. And then, sometimes those individuals who spoke up were "disappeared". Today, people are also disappeared. But there also were and are numerous other more subtle ways to destroy a person, and they were and are being used.

So now, to renew a driver's license, Freya needs 4 IDs. But she already has a license, so the very idea that she would need to prove her citizenship is absurd, because the government agencies involved already have all that information. In the past, all it took was 1 ID and some money, and bam, you had a new license.

It's not the specific situation alone that is significant; it's the bigger picture, of which this incident is only 1 more piece of the whole puzzle.

 

[Zadius Sky]

So, I get up early, do my hair and makeup (for the picture!), and drive two towns away to the closest DL office. I am then told that I need 4 forms of ID to renew the license I have had for 34 yrs. I need a certified birth certificate, social security card and two forms of proof of residency. A certified birth certificate? Like I carry one in my back pocket? Like this is Nazi Germany and I have to prove my bloodlines? I was flabbergasted!

Well, thank goodness I had a certified birth certificate, it took me two days of looking through paperwork to find it, but after 49 yrs of life, I was glad that I had proof of my birth!! So I ventured again, through two towns to the DL office. I handed all my proof that I exist and sat in a long line of people waiting to smile for the camera and receive permission to operate a vehicle, only to find that they do not accept VISA (my debit card goes through Visa).

I certainly agree with Scott that very idea that you would have to prove your citizenship is just absurd.

Last time I had to renew my driving license (like 7 or 8 years ago), all I had to use my old license and just confirmed the current address. That was it. This year, when I was renewing my license in NC, back in April, I was asked for forms of IDs unless I have an e-passport (it was convenient for them and a hard proof of US residency). What's weird about that experience was I was also asked about my hearing loss. I was told by the officer that deaf people no longer can drive, but I wasn't exactly deaf as I can hear honking, etc. She had to detail everything on how I was able to hear - I can hear noise and be aware of them, but I cannot understand speech - as part of my driving record. I wasn't able to find this deaf-no-drive law thing, but maybe the officer was using a scare tactic or something.

 

[Lilou]

I recently renewed my drivers license here in Michigan, and by contrast, I was not asked for one single piece of ID. All I showed them was my soon to expire license, which they clip the corner off from and attach papers to, showing it is in the process of being renewed.

You would think that you would only need proof of ID if you were obtaining a new license. In fact, for my last three renewals, they have not even given me the vision test! And I have a corrective lens restriction and wear contacts. So perhaps the clerks are just lazy? I am not complaining, because I would be totally ticked off if they asked for all that ID.

The Nazi state is creeping in. Yep, like the frogs in water that is slowly being heated up - one state at a time.

 

[Maat]

And if you were in France, the birth certificate should have less than 3 months - like if your birthsday and so on could have changed in 3 months ! They get people mad with that thing even if now with the internet it's more easier to obtain for the french (for those who are born in big cities by the way) but I let you imagine how it is for strangers.

Not so long I've learned the big reason of that, it's because they put some others mentions (like marriage, divorce) in the margin of the birth certificate. OK . But try to explain to the administration that these mentions don't and never will exist on the certificates of foreigners or that they are totally irrelevant for the matter. Less than 3 months, that's all !!

For me, it's just some sort of stalking applied over the population more and more (for our own good and security of course, you bet)

 

[agni]

Where is my damn 5.46 square acres (based on sq area of earth/ population ) where I can call my own without having to show any kind of papers ? :) The idea that you have to prove anything or show some sort of document to live anywhere on earth is ridiculous. It almost seems like nowadays you need to get a permit just to simply live. People are treated like items/goods. Seems rather like a mark of the beast. Viola, without "a stamp aka certificate" one is nothing.

 

[Joe]

So, I get up early, do my hair and makeup (for the picture!), and drive two towns away to the closest DL office. I am then told that I need 4 forms of ID to renew the license I have had for 34 yrs. I need a certified birth certificate, social security card and two forms of proof of residency. A certified birth certificate? Like I carry one in my back pocket? Like this is Nazi Germany and I have to prove my bloodlines? I was flabbergasted!

Are you really suggesting that having to show your birth certificate to renew your driver's permit makes life in Florida in any way equivalent to life under the Nazis? Sure, it might have been inconvenient for you to have to drive home again and search for your birth certificate. What exactly is it that makes that like Nazi Germany? Were you under threat of being shot if you didn't find it?

As Mr. Scott says, there ARE distinct parallels. It should also be remembered that, for most people in Nazi Germany, life was very pleasant, normal even. If they didn't want to think about what was going on elsewhere, they didn't have to. They just had to be good citizens. In the US today, the government is not killing millions of people, but it is doing so in other countries. Today, the world is a much 'smaller' place, we live in an Empire more or less. In that context, when the US military murders 1.million people in about 5 years in 1 area alone, we're sort of getting rather close to Nazi Germany, but with the difference that it is writ large across the globe.

 

[Joe]

So now, to renew a driver's license, Freya needs 4 IDs. But she already has a license, so the very idea that she would need to prove her citizenship is absurd, because the government agencies involved already have all that information. In the past, all it took was 1 ID and some money, and bam, you had a new license.

In addition, that these new checks have been implemented in a direct result of the so-called "war on terror" that has cost so many innocent people their lives.

 

[mcb]

In addition, that these new checks have been implemented in a direct result of the so-called "war on terror" that has cost so many innocent people their lives.

There's a bit of election fraud going on too. If it's too easy to renew an ID then the wrong class of people may get to vote more than they should. No photo ID, no vote, or at least that's what they had planned in Florida.

The media have been reporting only about people that have no photo ID and need to get one to vote. I suspect that making it harder to renew will also disproportionately affect the poorer classes.

 

[loreta]

Papers are very important in Spain also. When we have to renew the ID of my husband (he is Canadian) we have to prove that we were married and the certificated was to be from the last 3 moths! Our marriage certificated is from Canada so it took almost 6 months to have it while my husband was in a sort of limbo during the time the certificated was not here.

But to have my renew of my drivers ID no problem. But they obliged you to take a sort of test and you have to pay for it. The test is a sort of visual test to see if your senses are ok. Nothing difficult, just difficult for your pocket money. ;)

By the way, our ID's in Spain have a little chip with any kind of information.

 

[DavidHP]

I live in Florida also but my experience was a bit different, I made the appointment on line and checked what I needed to bring with me. I had to go a line but the line was short and moved rather quickly, all I had to show was my old license and my US passport and pay with a personal check.

I did notice that some were turned away because they did not have the proper Id documentation, apparently your license even if not yet expired is not a good enough Id for the DMV !!!! However, the bank still thinks my drivers license is good enough!

 

[Kimber]

To apply to live in any type of assisted housing IE- HUD, RD, Tax Credit,, the applicant
Must provide the following;
1. Sign a paper declaring his or her Allegiance to what country or nation.
2. Birth Cert for All children under the age of 18
3. Drivers license for Adults (over 18)
4. Complete form identifying his or her Ethnicity.

Most have No idea that their checking/saving accounts will be checked and verified,
as will any private or court ordered child support payments,,,
And the list of requirements goes on.

And once all required data is compiled, the information is electronically transferred to
the State, federal funding dept- HUD, rd and IRS. And from said state and fed agencies
Guess where the data is transferred to?? All are now subservient to HS.

 

[mcb]

To apply to live in any type of assisted housing IE- HUD, RD, Tax Credit,, the applicant
Must provide the following...

Assistance with getting oneself into situations where "public assistance" is needed is still freely offered, if not actively imposed. An offer that is hard to refuse. A kind of "cattle drive?"