Plane Crash at San Francisco Airport

[ggen]

Just caught this breaking news story as I was flipping through my many 'news' sources.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/06/us/california-plane-incident/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[ggen]

I apologize. In haste, I posted this topic in the wrong section of the forum. (Sott News Discussion) Mods feel free to delete the original.

In perusing the internet for my daily 'news', I found this breaking news story:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/06/us/california-plane-incident/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

ADDED: I find the flight number 777 a bit interesting. I wonder what will come of this story...

ADDED x 2: The type of plane is a Boeing 777, not the flight number. Okay, off for some bone broth. My brain is obviously a bit tired. ;)

 

[genero81]

Flight 214 the plane was a Boeing 777 The tail is missing and the top of the fusalage is riped open.

 

[Alana]

And so far no news site has given any info about what happened to the passengers. Few report that passengers were seen coming down the plane slides on the sites. Reuters has this sentence as breaking news, but no full fledged article about it yet:

BREAKING NEWS: Asiana Flight 214 that crash landed in San Francisco had 292 passengers, 16 crew members: Yonhap

Interesting, on the other site of North America, there was a train derailment today, that caused several explosions, that led to evacuations of the area in the small town.

http://www.sott.net/article/263642-Update-At-least-1-killed-60-reported-missing-as-runaway-Canada-oil-train-explosion-forces-town-evacuation

Added: The Guardian has more info about the passengers from a person allegedly on-board who tweeted that most people were ok:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/06/san-francisco-airport-plane-crash-boeing

 

[genero81]

Witness said there was a "pop" and then a "large fire ball" that came from under the plane before the plane landed. I just don't get why the top of the plane is torn open and burned unless whatever happened under the plane blew up through the top. Yes, and no mention of casualties so far. Also, wheather conditions were reportedly ideal.

 

[Joe]

As of now, two fatalities, 61 injured. A few passengers have stated that the tail ripped off, apparently on landing, which if true, would have caused problems, but what caused the tail to fall off, maybe landing gear malfunction? Interesting that it comes a day after the train explosion in Quebec.

http://www.sott.net/article/263642-Update-At-least-1-killed-60-reported-missing-as-runaway-Canada-oil-train-explosion-forces-town-evacuation

 

[Phaetonic]

It's a little odd that the Facebook COO was supposed to be onboard, and that a Samsung exec was onboard (he is ok though). Close calls, maybe a bit symbolic.

_http://www.630wpro.com/common/more.php?m=58&ts=1373126703&article=BA44DF04E67F11E286DEFEFDADE6840A&mode=2

_http://www.businessinsider.com/crashed-777-carried-tech-exec-to-san-francisco-2013-7

 

[griffin]

As of now, two fatalities, 61 injured. A few passengers have stated that the tail ripped off, apparently on landing, which if true, would have caused problems, but what caused the tail to fall off, maybe landing gear malfunction?

This crash will be at minimum a big embarrassment for Boeing, if not a major financial setback. The plane was a relatively new Boeing 777 Dreamliner mostly constructed with synthetic composites (think carbon fibre, superglue, plastic, more glue, fibreglass and resin instead of all steel and aluminum). Its adoption by the world's air carriers was interrupted and put on hold for months after a couple of failed batteries led to fears of fire risk. Now it's been reported that in this crash the plane's whole tail section fell off! I'll be extremely surprised if this crash doesn't cause all airlines to suspend all Boeing 777 flight operations.

 

[Vulcan59]

Hi griffin,

A B777 is not a Dreamliner. The term Dreamliner refers to the B787 and not the B777. The Dreamliner and not the B777 has battery problems.

 

[griffin]

Hi griffin,

A B777 is not a Dreamliner. The term Dreamliner refers to the B787 and not the B777. The Dreamliner and not the B777 has battery problems.

Apologies, my mistake, I should have looked it up first to be sure. It'll still be a big hit for Boeing, though.

 

[Joe]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/06/boeing-777-crashes-at-san-francisco-international-airport/

Benjamin Levy, who told KNTV he was aboard the flight, and recalled approaching the runway "too low, too soon."

"We were maybe 5 meters, 10 meters above the water way still out of the landing area. And so when the pilot realized it, he put some more gas to try to correct and lift up the plane again, but it was too late. So we hit the runway pretty bad, and then we started going back up in the air again and then landed again pretty hard," Levy said.

 

[Ca.]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/06/boeing-777-crashes-at-san-francisco-international-airport/

Benjamin Levy, who told KNTV he was aboard the flight, and recalled approaching the runway "too low, too soon."

"We were maybe 5 meters, 10 meters above the water way still out of the landing area. And so when the pilot realized it, he put some more gas to try to correct and lift up the plane again, but it was too late. So we hit the runway pretty bad, and then we started going back up in the air again and then landed again pretty hard," Levy said.

There is something strange about being that low. The times I've been on an airline on that same approach, the jet was well above perhaps at least above or around (a guesstimate) 50, to 150 feet minimum. Buy the time the wheel's touch the tarmac, the jet would be at least 1 mile from the sea wall that this plane hit.

I am thinking some sort of possible bleed through may have occurred. As the pilot is usually at the control's on the final leg of the landing. And if there was bleed through, his perception would have been quite different, and distorted. Not to mention his panel display, would have been going haywire.

Could the surface of that part of the runway have been vibrating at that time at different frequency? Or, as he made his approach, (a mile out) it suddenly change? What looked farther a way, was in fact actually closer.

And what of the claim that 60 people were unaccounted for ??????? And then later they were found.

Can we say a possible Mass abduction??????? Only to be returned, unnoticed (as there are no time barrier's in 4th density), as well as there ability to manipulate time.
And then place them back in sequence, totally unnoticed, with the assuaging chaos happening so fast.

But why? And would they have been replaced by hybrids, replicates, or clones?

Also 2 people were found in the water, and plane did not open up or dump people in the bay on impact. But it was speculated that they ran from the plane to jump in the water when it caught fire.

Just a thought. :/

Quotes..

1:One of those on the flight, Elliott Stone, told CNN that he thought the plane was approaching “a little high (then came) down a little sharp.

2:“All of a sudden, boom, the back end just hit and flies up into the air and everyone’s head goes up the ceiling,” said Stone, who added that he ended up jumping out the plane without using the stairs or an evacuation slide.

Flight attendants are very, very, watchful that everyone is buckled at the time of landings and take offs. It is a safety regulation.

3: Kristina Stapchuck saw the dramatic scene unfold from her seat on a plane on the airport tarmac. Soon after Flight 214 touched down, “it looked like the tires slipped a little bit and it rocked back,” she told CNN.

Parts of the plane began to break off as it rocked and then began to spin.
“It all happened so suddenly,” Stapchuck told CNN.

4:A photo provided to CNN by Eunice Bird Rah — and shot by her father, who was a passenger on the plane — shows flames and smoke bursting out of many of the aircraft’s window

Rah’s father knew something bad was coming, he told his daughter, telling her that the pilot appeared to try to raise the plane at the last minute. Rah said her father “is doing fine, thank God,” but noted that others appeared to be hurt.

Said Rah: “It’s heartbreaking.”

5:Passengers run from plane, flames
Video ( https://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFtmSybpuw ) taken soon after the crash and posted on YouTube showed dark gray smoke rising from the plane, which appeared to be upright. That smoke later became white, even as fire crews continued to douse the plane.

6:CNN iReporter Timothy Clark was on an eighth-floor balcony of a nearby hotel when he heard the noise and saw a “dust cloud.”
“Then people running from the plane, then flames,” Clark said.

“I just crash landed at SFO,” read the accompanying message from David Eun. “Tail ripped off. Most everyone seems fine. I’m ok. Surreal …”

September 12 1998

Q:(A) Okay, they don't want to continue this problem. (L) In the middle of the night the other night as I was going to sleep, I thought of something that you gys once said about the Denver airport, TDARM, that both sides can use airports and that the meaning was 'much, much deeper than that'. It made me think of what you had said before about planets and stars being windows or doorways. Is it possible that there are points in deep recesses or underground places of our planet where one can enter a portal and emerge through a portal on another planet where or system? Are the centers of the planets and stars the emergence of worm holes or something?
A: If utilized that way.
Q:(C) So it would have to be intentional. Is anyone utilizing them as such?
A: Maybe...

Witnesses describe plane crash
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL69gA3QnMY

BBC...?
PLANE CRASHES ON LANDING AT SAN FRANCISCO INTL AIRPORT
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wqDKOtEmIY

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak787HGzKJE

(something went wrong) (landed by hand) (micro burst) (fire started after plane was evacuated)

Conflicting messages
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0mBQ3uSzTA (2 killed 61 injured)

Plane Crash At San Francisco Airport #Asiana Boeing 777
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHeLRkXSU8M

The 777-200 is a long-range plane from Boeing. The twin-engine aircraft is one of the world's most popular long-distance planes, often used for flights of 12 hours or more, from one continent to another. The airline's website says its 777s can carry between 246 to 300 passengers.

The flight was 10 hours and 23 minutes, according to FlightAware, a flight tracking service. The aircraft is configured to seat 295 passengers, it said.

Quote:
Benjamin Levy, who told KNTV he was aboard the flight, and recalled approaching the runway "too low, too soon."

"We were maybe 5 meters, 10 meters above the water way still out of the landing area. And so when the pilot realized it, he put some more gas to try to correct and lift up the plane again, but it was too late. So we hit the runway pretty bad, and then we started going back up in the air again and then landed again pretty hard," Levy said.

Seems very similar to the BA 777 that crashed at Heathrow. Just to note there are no ILS's working only PAPI. Pilots who fly long haul like this typically don't make that many landings so it could be pilot error and I assume we will have that answer in the next three days.

http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3

Possible Bleed through at landing @ 22 minutes, when the pilots voice became unintelligible. As if there is perhaps time warp occurring?

Radio transmission from tower to pilot ( at one point transmission is inaudible)
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/07/boeing-777-crashes-at-san-francisco-international-airport/

One witness said it flipped, and another..... stated it spun.

RADIO REFERENCE blog
http://forums.radioreference.com/news-events/270047-asiana-crash-ksfo.html

Second audio source.
Asiana crash at KSFO
Two dead, dozens injured in San Francisco Asiana Airlines plane crash | Fox News

Quote:
Benjamin Levy, who told KNTV he was aboard the flight, and recalled approaching the runway "too low, too soon."

"We were maybe 5 meters, 10 meters above the water way still out of the landing area. And so when the pilot realized it, he put some more gas to try to correct and lift up the plane again, but it was too late. So we hit the runway pretty bad, and then we started going back up in the air again and then landed again pretty hard," Levy said.

Seems very similar to the BA 777 that crashed at Heathrow. Just to note there are no ILS's working only PAPI. Pilots who fly long haul like this typically don't make that many landings so it could be pilot error and I assume we will have that answer in the next three days.

_http://wandr.me/Audio/AAR214-KSFO-Crash.mp3

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/
Date: July 6, 2013 Time: 11:28
Location: San Francisco, California
Operator: Asiana Airlines Flight: 214
AC Type: Boeing B-777-28EER
Reg: HL7742 cn: 29171/553
Aboard: 307 Fatalities: 2 Ground: 0
Route: Shanghai - Seoul - San Francisco
Details: The aircraft crash landed short of the runway while on approach to runway 28L at San Francisco International Airport. The tail section, landing gear, and both engines separated from the fuselage and a fire erupted. Debris was scattered from the ocean front to the runway to where the aircraft came to rest. Two passengers were killed and 182 injured.

And from a Chinese News source.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90777/8314511.html
All passengers and crew accounted for in San Francisco air crash: mayor
(Xinhua)
12:32, July 07, 2013

SAN FRANCISCO, July 6 (Xinhua) -- All the passengers and crew members on board an Asiana Airlines flight, which crashed while landing at San Francisco International Airport (SFO) Saturday, have been accounted for, with two passengers killed, the city's Mayor Ed Lee announced.

"Everyone has been accounted for," Lee said at a news conference.

Meanwhile, the Yonhap news agency quoted the South Korean foreign ministry as saying that one of the two people killed in the air crash holds Chinese passport.

However, the report has not been confirmed immediately by the Chinese Consulate General in San Francisco nor by the San Francisco airport.

According to Asiana, South Korea's second largest airliner, the plane, a Boeing 777-200, which departed from Seoul, was carrying 291 passengers and 16 crew members, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported.

Among the passengers were 141 Chinese, 77 South Koreans and 61 U.S. citizens, with the nationalities of the others unknown, said Asiana.

Officials of the Chinese Consulate General are working with local authorities to confirm the conditions of the Chinese nationals.

A number of witnesses and passengers said the plane was probably landing too soon or too early that caused its tail to hit the ground, veer off the runway and burst into flame. Most passengers jumped down the inflatable slides to safety, some with injuries.

Officials declined to give details of passengers receiving care at several hospitals in the Bay Area.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90777/8314335.html
Asiana Airline Flight 214 from Seoul, South Korea crashed at 11:30 am on July 6 in San Francisco Airport.

The flight left from Shanghai and stopped in Seoul before heading to San Francisco. Released images show that the plane lost its tail with most of its roof charred. Reports say that it was the fifth accident of Asiana Airline, which was founded in 1988.

A total of 307 individuals, including 291 passengers and 16 crew members were on board. Two people were confirmed dead.

34 Chinese high school students and one teacher were on board, according to Kevin Chung, a driver from Marisan Travel, who was supposed to pick up the crowd from the airport to San Jose Marriott.

Chinese Consulate in San Francisco is checking the status of the wounded Chinese citizens and preparing a release, said Wang Chuan, a press officer with the consulate.

A total of 61 were injured and taken to 13 local hospitals for treatment. 10 people, including two children, are now in critical condition.

Eye witnesses have reported a "bouncing plane flying in, tail landing the ground first." Fire has been reported on the plane prior to landing, according to SFO tower control. The cause of the crash, however, has not been confirmed.

UFO Landings-Rendlesham Forest, 1980

One of the most compelling accounts of UFO landings comes to us from England. The joint air bases of Bentwaters and Woodbridge, located within the vast Rendlesham Forest, would be literally invaded by unidentified flying objects over a period of several nights in late December, 1980.

John Burroughs gives an excellent account of the sensation, and feeling's of being in a 4th Density environment.
_http://www.ufocasebook.com/Rendlesham.html

 

[anart]

According to suspicious0bservers, there was a second Asiana 777 plane that caught fire while landing at the Athens airport 5 minutes earlier than the crash landing and fire in San Fransisco. Seems like a very odd coincidence. He thinks there is a link to a magnetic instability at the time. Not sure that follows, but just thought I'd mention it since I'd not heard about the second Asiana 777 issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCSn0LqdDgE

 

[Keit]

According to suspicious0bservers, there was a second Asiana 777 plane that caught fire while landing at the Athens airport 5 minutes earlier than the crash landing and fire in San Fransisco. Seems like a very odd coincidence. He thinks there is a link to a magnetic instability at the time. Not sure that follows, but just thought I'd mention it since I'd not heard about the second Asiana 777 issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCSn0LqdDgE

There is this article:
_http://allafrica.com/stories/201307060167.html

It's not Asiana though.

Nairobi — Kenya Airways (KQ) says the diversion of one of its flight to Nairobi from Amsterdam on Saturday morning was due to a fire warning indication in one of the cargo holds.

The airline's CEO Titus Naikuni said the diverted flight, a Boeing 777 200ER landed safely in Athens and all the 301 passengers on board are safe.

He says the functional tests and profiling of the cargo to confirm the source of the fire warning, required a rescheduling of the flight.

"As is the normal standard procedure in the industry, the fire suppression system was activated and the aircraft diverted to the nearest airport for further assessment," Naikuni said in a statement.

He said that all tests that were later conducted on the fire detection system and that the cargo hold is now functioning properly.

"The flight landed safely in Athens and all passengers and crew were taken to a hotel in Athens," he said.

The flight is now scheduled to depart Athens today at 1700 hours Kenya time, arriving in Nairobi at 2255 hours.

 

[Gawan]

Fwiw, yesterday derailed also a train in Russia. Symbolically on it's way to Sochi where the Winter Olympics will be held next year.

Russian train derails in Krasnodar region: Summer heat might have distorted tracks