Potatoes - Good or Bad?

sid

Dagobah Resident
Hi all

Simple question, shall we eat potatoes? Lately, I have been replacing potatoes with Kumara (sweet potatoes) in all the dishes since Kumara has been tested to be the most nutrinional vegetable. I cannot say, why I stopped eating potatoes but must have read it somewehere on the forum. Can someone advise?
I am not doing detox etc but just trying to eliminate the bad stuff from my diet.

Thanks

Sid
 
Sid said:
Hi all

Simple question, shall we eat potatoes? Lately, I have been replacing potatoes with Kumara (sweet potatoes) in all the dishes since Kumara has been tested to be the most nutrinional vegetable. I cannot say, why I stopped eating potatoes but must have read it somewehere on the forum. Can someone advise?
I am not doing detox etc but just trying to eliminate the bad stuff from my diet.

Thanks

Sid

Sid,

Potatoes are part of the nightshade family of vegetables. Some people are sensitive to nightshades. Potatoes are also high in starch and low in protein which make them bad for people with blood sugar problems.

I've done as you've described and tried to cut out any large servings of potatoes and replaced them with sweet potatoes where appropriate. I still have the occasional potato, but it is usually either part of a flour mix or in a small portion of hash browns. I find I can tolerate this much w/o problems.

Ideally, you want to test potatoes with an elimination diet first to see if you can tolerate them and if so, how much?
 
I can eat them occasionally, but not too often. The fact that they do affect me, making my joints hurt, tells me that they should be avoided unless you have nothing else available.
 
Rudolf Steiner advised not to eat often potatoes in "_http://www.doyletics.com/arj/mammoths.htm Answers to Questions, 16 Sessions in Dornach, May to September, 1923" :

[page 202] When we eat potatoes, we really get a longing to eat something again quite soon. The potato will soon make us hungry again because it does not go all the way to the head. . . . Someone who eats a lot of potatoes does not get powerful thoughts; but he'll get dreams that make him heavy. And someone who has to eat potatoes all the time will get really tired all the time and always want to sleep and dream.

And precised in _http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19240802p01.html;mark=252,35,47#WN_mark Nutrition and Health"

And then came the potato diet! The potato takes little care of lung and heart. It reaches the head, but only, as I said, the lower head, not the upper head. It does go into the lower head, where one thinks and exercises critical faculties. Therefore, you can see, in earlier times there were fewer journalists. There was no printing industry yet. Think of the amount of thought expended daily in this world in our time, just to bring the newspapers out! All that thinking, it is much too much, it is not at all necessary — and we have to thank the potato diet for that! Because a person who eats potatoes is constantly stimulated to think. He can't do anything but think. That's why his lungs and his heart become weak. Tuberculosis, lung tuberculosis, did not become widespread until the potato diet was introduced. And the weakest human beings are those living in regions where almost nothing else is grown but potatoes, where the people live on potatoes.

I don't know if there is evidences confirming that since that time.
 
Regarding potatoes and the night shade family:

http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/1897-nightshades.html

The nightshades are members of an enormous family of plants called Solanaceae, represent a huge family of plants. The ones that concern us in the Western diet mainly include tomatoes, potatoes (not sweet potatoes or yams), eggplant and peppers—this means all peppers including chili peppers, habenero, cayenne pepper and paprika (not peppercorns, see sidebar). Paprika is a sneaky one, showing up in lots of flavoring mixes and often under “spices” on ingredient labels. Other nightshades include goji berries (the new darling of the antioxidant crowd), ashwagandha (an adaptogenic herb from Ayurvedic medicine), Cape gooseberries (not normal gooseberries), ground cherries and garden huckleberries (not blueberries). [...]

The nightshades are considered a “calcinogenic” plant; that is, they cause calcinosis, which is a toxic calcification of soft tissues when eaten by animals. This happens because they contain calcitriol (1,25-dihydroxy vitamin D), the most active form of vitamin D. Please note that calcitriol is not vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol). This is an extremely important distinction, as you will see.

In humans, calcitriol is normally the end product of vitamin D metabolism, so let me start at the beginning. Cholecalciferol, or vitamin D3, is produced in the skin by the action of sunlight or can be consumed in food or supplements. In the liver, vitamin D3 is transformed into calcidiol (25-hydroxycholecalciferol, the compound that we test in the blood as a measure of vitamin D status); then the kidneys transform calcidiol into calcitriol (1,25-dihydroxy vitamin D).

Calcitriol is an extremely potent hormone, thousands of times more potent than vitamin D3. [...]

Overconsumption of calcitriol from nightshade foods can circumvent the kidney’s control and over time lead to calcium deposits in the soft tissues such as the tendons, ligaments, cartilage, cardiovascular tissues, kidneys and skin. Osteoarthritis is basically calcium deposits in the soft tissues of joints. Chronic hypercalcemia can lead to generalized vascular (blood vessel) calcification, which is coronary artery disease. Nephrocalcinosis is calcification of the kidneys.

We are not supposed to bypass the body’s control mechanisms for calcitriol. Nightshades do this to our detriment. Many of us do not notice because it happens so slowly and gradually. [...]

SOLANINE

Solanine is a glycoalkaloid, that is, a non-protein compound containing nitrogen. It is a potent poison found in species of the nightshade family, especially potatoes and eggplant. [...]

Solanine poisoning is primarily displayed by gastrointestinal and neurological disorders. Symptoms include nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, stomach cramps, burning of the throat, cardiac dysrhythmia, headache and dizziness. Hallucinations, loss of sensation, paralysis, fever, jaundice, dilated pupils and hypothermia have been reported in more severe cases.5

Potatoes naturally produce solanine and chaconine, a related glycoalkaloid, as a defense mechanism against insects, disease and predators (humans included). Potato leaves, stems and shoots are naturally high in these glycoalkaloids. When potato tubers are exposed to light, they turn green and increase glycoalkaloid production. This is a natural defense to help prevent the uncovered tuber from being eaten.

In potato tubers, 30–80 percent of the solanine develops in and close to the skin. If the potato looks green under the skin, throw it away; likewise if it has begun to sprout, just discard it.

How toxic are these compounds? The World Health Organization sets an upper limit of 20 mg per 100 grams of solanine per fresh weight of potato. Above that limit, they cannot be sold in stores, as they are considered too toxic for human consumption.6

Solanine and related glycoalkaloids are poisonous because they are acetylcholinesterase inhibitors—they inhibit the breakdown of acetylcholine, resulting in increased level and duration of action of this neurotransmitter. What does this mean? They cause prolonged muscle contractions. This is why people who are sensitive to nightshades or eat a lot of them often feel stiff when they wake up in the morning or sit for extended periods.

Studies with animals indicate that solanine causes cell membrane disruption in the digestive tract—exacerbated irritable bowel disorder in mice,7 gastrointestinal tissue destroyed in Syrian hamsters.8 It affects the gene expression of the human intestinal cell linings and also inhibits proteolytic enzyme activity.9 Solanines also destroy human liver cells in vitro.10

I have found fourteen research reviews linking potato blight in Ireland with birth defects in the following years.11 Potato blight involves a particular fungus growing on potatoes, causing them to kick in their defense mechanisms and make high levels of solanine. In my opinion, it would be wise for pregnant women to avoid the nightshades.

WHAT ABOUT PEPPER?

Peppercorns are not the same as peppers; they are not members of the nightshade family. Peppercorns do not contain poisonous alkaloids. Fresh ground pepper is the best; pre-ground pepper is not good for you. It doesn’t taste very good and you’ll notice you have to use a lot more of it. Once the peppercorns are cracked open, the protective and flavorful essential oils begin to evaporate. This allows a type of aspergillus mold to grow, which then produces aflatoxin. You may be familiar with aflatoxin already, as it is very toxic to the liver and is the same toxin that occurs with peanuts. If you don’t eat peanuts for this reason, you would not want to use pre-ground pepper either. Freshly ground pepper helps with digestion—pre-ground pepper does not.

TOMATOES

Tomatoes contain lycopene, which is one of the first things people mention when I suggest avoiding nightshades. Lycopene is a carotenoid found in almost any red, orange or pink fruit or vegetable; it’s simply highest in tomatoes. As with all of the fat-soluble carotenoids, to maximize absorption you’ll need to eat it with fat. We hear a lot about lycopene supposedly preventing cancer. However, in a study on prostate cancer in rats, when rats were given lycopene by itself, there was no observed decrease in cancer mortality when compared to the controls.20 However, when given tomato powder, there was a significant decrease in mortality rates from the induced prostate cancer. So there’s something in the whole tomato that protects against cancer and it’s not lycopene by itself.

The new theory in this reductionist way of thinking is that the anti-cancer substance in tomatoes is another glycoalkaloid called tomatine. While tomatine has been shown to inhibit and destroy cancer cells, it has also been shown to do the same to normal cells!21 This is the likely reason why many people get heartburn after eating tomatoes, not only because they are acidic (they are), but because the cells that line the stomach and esophagus are being destroyed. Can you really blame the stomach for sending you a signal that it isn’t very happy?

By the way, epithelial cells are what line the urethra as it passes through the prostate. Eating tomatoes in the hopes of reducing prostate cancer is similar to friendly fire—it destroys the cancerous cells and normal cells at the same time. Does destroying your normal and healthy cells sound like a good idea? Not to me. Actually, it sounds very similar to chemotherapy and radiation—trying to kill cancer cells while hoping that the normal cells survive the process. While there is a time and place for that type of approach, I don’t think I’d want to be eating such a potentially cell-destructive substance every day in my food.

Scientists are currently studying tomatine to use as an adjuvant in vaccines, in order to make the vaccine more effective by stimulating a massive immune reaction. The immune reaction happens because the body is reacting to the cell destruction that occurs when tomatine comes in contact with human cells.

Tomatoes also contain tomato lectin (another well-known lectin is gluten) which has been shown to agglutinate human, mouse and sheep erythrocytes—it can cause red blood cells to clump together. Combined together with tomatine, these compounds can cause leaky gut syndrome and potentially be a major issue in autoimmune diseases of all sorts.

For those of you have gone off gluten and you’re wondering why you still have digestive problems, it may be because of tomatoes. Potatoes can be another culprit, as many gluten-free products are filled with potato starch.
 
Heaalih said:
Rudolf Steiner advised not to eat often potatoes in "Answers to Questions, 16 Sessions in Dornach, May to September, 1923" :

[page 202] When we eat potatoes, we really get a longing to eat something again quite soon. The potato will soon make us hungry again because it does not go all the way to the head. . . . Someone who eats a lot of potatoes does not get powerful thoughts; but he'll get dreams that make him heavy. And someone who has to eat potatoes all the time will get really tired all the time and always want to sleep and dream.

Interesting that potato considered to be an ultimate "comfort food".

Today, people in many countries see potatoes as basic staple or integral part of many national food recipes. But, apparently, it wasn't always so, and potato's gradual integration among the masses came from "above" - the elite. Makes you wonder why. Maybe it followed the same process (or with a similar agenda) as the spread of agriculture and integration of wheat.

In most of Europe, the upper classes saw the potato's potential before the more superstitious lower classes, and the encouragement to begin growing potatoes had to come from above.

In meat-loving England, farmers and urban workers regarded potatoes with extreme distaste. In 1662, the Royal Society recommended the cultivation of the tuber to the English government and the nation, but this recommendation had little impact. Potatoes did not become a staple until, during the food shortages associated with the Revolutionary Wars, the English government began to officially encourage potato cultivation. In 1795, the Board of Agriculture issued a pamphlet entitled "Hints Respecting the Culture and Use of Potatoes"; this was followed shortly by pro-potato editorials and potato recipes in The Times. Gradually, the lower classes began to follow the lead of the upper classes.

A similar pattern emerged across the English Channel in the Netherlands, Belgium and France. While the potato slowly gained ground in eastern France (where it was often the only crop remaining after marauding soldiers plundered wheat fields and vineyards), it did not achieve widespread acceptance until the late 1700s. The peasants remained suspicious, in spite of a 1771 paper from the Faculté de Paris testifying that the potato was not harmful but beneficial. The people began to overcome their distaste when the plant received the royal seal of approval: Louis XVI began to sport a potato flower in his buttonhole, and Marie-Antoinette wore the purple potato blossom in her hair.[...]

In the Russian Empire, Catherine the Great ordered her subjects to begin cultivating the tuber, but many ignored this order. They were supported in this dissension by the Orthodox Church, which argued that potatoes were suspect because they were not mentioned in the Bible. Potatoes were not widely cultivated in Russia until 1850, when Czar Nicholas I began to enforce Catherine's order.

Personally, I love potatoes but can't tolerate them. Still not sure about Batata/Yam, so going to check it. Seems like yams are a better substitute. Also, apparently early Spanish chroniclers misused the Indian word batata (sweet potato) as the name for the potato. Still need to do more checking, but perhaps the type of potatoes used by Inca's or other indigenous population was different from the potatoes we see now. Perhaps they misused not only the word but also the type?
 
The hardest thing for me was to occasionaly giving up from potatoes. I love them and after reading some thing on forum espetialy detox and diet topic I try to eliminate them totaly , but after several month , I start using them again . Can live without candies or bred but I dont know why I love potatoes so much.
On my food sensibility blood test , the potatoes were allowed, but dont know how much I can tryst those tests
 
RyanX said:
I still have the occasional potato, but it is usually either part of a flour mix or in a small portion of hash browns.

Have you tried making sweet potato hash browns? I've been making it lately and found it to be a very good substitute for potatoes. If you have a food processor, you can shred the sweet potatoes in no time!
 
Thanks for the quotes, Psyche and Keit. They really explain things well.

Goji berries are nightshades? Sheesh!
 
Heimdallr said:
RyanX said:
I still have the occasional potato, but it is usually either part of a flour mix or in a small portion of hash browns.

Have you tried making sweet potato hash browns? I've been making it lately and found it to be a very good substitute for potatoes. If you have a food processor, you can shred the sweet potatoes in no time!

Interesting. I haven't tried this, but I might give it a shot now that I know it's possible. Do you have to cook them on the skillet longer then?
 
Thank you everyone for their replies esp. Psyche. I was looking for a similar explanation with detailed chemical breakdown. I must admit, my stomach has felt a lot better after eliminating potatoes. Now, I treat them as bad as gluten. That bit about tomatoes is scary too. One wonders why we crave tomatoes so much, the entire North Indian cusine is based on it!
 
Heimdallr said:
Have you tried making sweet potato hash browns? I've been making it lately and found it to be a very good substitute for potatoes. If you have a food processor, you can shred the sweet potatoes in no time!

Yes indeed, sweet potato hash browns are tasty - as well they are great 'french fry sliced' and fried in olive oil (I make them for my son that LOVES french fries). Since I've stopped eating potatoes (over a year or so) I don't miss them at all. Potatoes were never a major food item for me, so maybe that's why I don't miss them. :)

For those that may want to make a switch from white potatoes, here's a bit about them:
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Sweet Potato Ranks Number One In Nutrition

According to nutritionists at the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI), the single most important dietary change for most people, including children, would be to replace fatty foods with foods rich in complex carbohydrates, such as sweet potatoes.

CSPI ranked the sweet potato number one in nutrition of all vegetables. With a score of 184, the sweet potato outscored the next highest vegetable by more than 100 points. Points were given for content of dietary fiber, naturally occurring sugars and complex carbohydrates, protein, vitamins A and C, iron and calcium. Points were deducted for fat content (especially saturated fat), sodium, cholesterol, added refined sugars and caffeine. The higher the score, the more nutritious the food.

Sweet potato baked 184
Potato, baked 83
Spinach 76
Kale 55
Mixed Vegetables 52
Broccoli 52
Winter Squash, Baked 44
Brussels Sprouts 37
Cabbage, Raw 34
Green Peas 33
Carrot 30
Okra 30
Corn on the Cob 27
Tomato 27
Green Pepper 26
Cauliflower 25
Artichoke 24
Romaine Lettuce 24
(The Center for Science in the Public Interest, Washington D.C. copyright 1992)

The reasons the sweet potato took first place? Dietary fiber, naturally occurring sugars, complex carbohydrates, protein, vitamins A and C, iron and calcium. The sweet potato received a score of 184; the vegetable ranked in second place was more than 100 points behind with a score of 83.

The numbers for the nutritional sweet potato speak for themselves: almost twice the recommended daily allowance of vitamin A, 42 percent of the recommendation for vitamin C, four times the RDA for beta carotene, and, when eaten with the skin, sweet potatoes have more fiber than oatmeal. All these benefits with only about 130 to 160 calories!

Sweet Potato Nutrition Facts
(for one medium size sweet potato)
Calories 130
Fat 0.39 g
Protein 2.15 g
Net Carbs 31.56 g
Dietary Fiber 3.9 g
Calcium 28.6 mg
Sodium 16.9 mg
Potassium 265.2 mg
Folate 18.2 mcg
Vitamin C 29.51 mg
Vitamin A 26081.9 IU
Source: US Department of Agriculture

Among root vegetables, sweet potatoes offer the lowest glycemic index rating. That's because the sweet potato digests slowly, causing a gradual rise in blood sugar so you feel satisfied longer. It's time to move sweet potatoes to the "good" carb list. Many of the most popular diets these days have already.

http://www.foodreference.com/html/sweet-pot-nutrition.html
 
RyanX said:
Heimdallr said:
Have you tried making sweet potato hash browns? I've been making it lately and found it to be a very good substitute for potatoes. If you have a food processor, you can shred the sweet potatoes in no time!

Interesting. I haven't tried this, but I might give it a shot now that I know it's possible. Do you have to cook them on the skillet longer then?

No, I don't think so. Although I confess to not cooking regular hash browns myself in ages. But it doesn't take me very long to cook the sweet potato ones, bout 15 minutes or so. I've also, like 1984, been making fries with them by frying them in lard. It's amazing deep frying in lard, the fries have very little grease on them compared to fries cooked normally. I highly recommend trying that out to.
 
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In potato tubers, 30–80 percent of the solanine develops in and close to the skin. If the potato looks green under the skin, throw it away; likewise if it has begun to sprout, just discard it.
[...]

This is the tricky part - when you buy a sack of potatoes from the store,
just how long was the 'shelf life' or does it matter? Perhaps most people
just bring it home, grab some potatoes, peel it, cook it, and eat it without
really checking each tuber as if they are worthy to be eaten? And most
interesting is, to most, upon seeing sprouts on a potato, simply snap them
off, and continue, business as usual? Seems tricky to me, and easy to
bypass by the casual cook, to feed their unsuspecting family and/or patrons?

Or maybe I am just being a wee bit paranoid? :/
 
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