Primer....A movie by an engineer about engineers.

Johnno

The Living Force
Since there are a few engineers on forum and on various lists I'll add Primer which is about a couple of engineers who mistakenly engineer a time machine and then go about screwing it up big time with various selves walking around at the same time.. It gets VERY strange towards the end.

The film won the Sundance Award in 2004 and was made by a young engineer who turned his talents to film making. He made the film for $7000 and it doesn't look like it.

The website is here.

http://www.primermovie.com/

PRIMER is a mesmerizing thriller that introduces a gifted new filmmaker with an exciting new sensibility. Thirty-one-year-old Shane Carruth, a former engineer who spent three years teaching himself filmmaking, conceived, wrote, directed, edited, and scored PRIMER and also plays one of the lead roles. His impressive feature debut - set in the very world Carruth abandoned to make movies -- tells the story of two engineers who stumble upon a remarkable invention which changes their lives in unimaginable ways. Engrossing and provocative in its exploration of the dark side of human nature and science, PRIMER electrified audiences at the 2004 Sundance Film Festival, winning the Grand Jury Prize and the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation Award for films dealing with science and technology.

The story of the making of PRIMER is as unusual as the movie itself. Carruth, who had a degree in mathematics and worked briefly at three engineering companies, was unhappy with his career choice and decided he wanted to become a writer. He tried his hand at short stories and was halfway through a novel when he realized that he was more interested in working with images than with words. At this point, he made up his mind to pursue a career in film, even though he had no background in the subject.

Fortunately, Carruth's extensive training in math and science had made him proficient in problem-solving. He cleverly applied these skills to the study of filmmaking. "A lot of math isn't just the numbers," he explains. It's the fact that there is this problem that is seemingly unsolvable in front of you, and yet if you take it apart, it can be solved." Devising his own lesson plan, he taught himself screenwriting, directing, cinematography, sound mixing, editing, and acting. "I read a lot of scripts, just to see what they're supposed to look like, and I went to town writing," he recalls. To learn the basics of film production, Carruth visited production houses in his native Dallas, watched carefully, and asked lots of questions. He experimented with cameras and lighting and devised his own form of storyboarding. Most importantly, he worked on his script.

The inspiration for PRIMER came to Carruth at a time when he was reading books about discoveries. He observed that "whether it involved the history of the number zero or the invention of the transistor, two things stood out. First, the discovery that turns out to be the most valuable is usually dismissed as a side-effect. Second, prototypes almost never include neon lights and chrome. I wanted to see a story that was more in line with the way real innovation takes place."
 
Great mention Johnno. I've never heard of this film and it sounds very intriguing. It's at the top of my Netflix queue now, thanks.

Joshua
 
What a 'coincidence' that you mention this movie. I was trying to rent a movie the other night and I picked this one up to look at it but decided not to get it because it seemed like a rated '"B" movie and I didn't feel like wasting my money. But now that you mention it I will go and rent it for sure.
Thanks,
Nina
 
Good site for ratings: www.mrqe.com

It collects many ratings from many websites and souces and sorts them all on one page so you can get a general idea of how all the various critics, on average, stand with any movie. But practically EVERY movie has at least a few people that loved it, and a few that hated it. So you really need to just look at the overall trend.

Primer actually appears to have very good ratings. Though maybe it's not alawys a good idea to judge a movie by whether others enjoyed it or not considering that to a large extent this is subjective. Having said that, I'd also give more weight to opinions of some over opinions of others - like for example opinions of members of this forum over opinions of random reviewers (I guess the devil is in the details though) - since the vast majority of the latter belong to the sleeping population and might not realise things that members of this forum may see.
 
I've seen this movie it is very weird and difficult to follow with the characters all on on intersecting temporal loops. Still it makes you work as you have to try an figure out the plot from fragments of information.
 
I too have seen this one and while the premise is indeed interesting, and the 'look' of the film far in excess of the $7k cost, there are reasons why some people hate it.

If you are watching for ideas (which I will go out on a limb and suggest is most of the people on this forum), then by all means hunt it down and watch it. The time loops are fascinating, as is the nature of one of the characters which causes him to take the actions he takes (no spoilers here). It is the age-old time travel angle which pulls the people who love it in, and I have to put myself in that camp.

The downsides: the acting at the beginning is pretty stiff, and even when you know it is a shoestring budget, it is hard to break out of the "standard" that Hollywood has indoctrinated the frequent film-goer into us.

But the biggest downside is the ending; I watched it twice and my conclusion is that the filmmakers got themselves so tied into knots with who was who, that they just put together a bunch of really quick edits which leaves you scratching your head, but figuring that the filmmakers must have known what was going on, and it is the viewer that doesn't "get it" -- when in actuality, they couldn't unravel it themselves! At least, that is my theory and until I hear a better one I am sticking with it. I have yet to read a review that explains the ending.

All FWIW -- enjoy!!
 
I watched this last weekend, and while it was an interesting movie, it's not one I found particularly engaging. I could add that it seems to be a movie "by engineers, about engineers and for engineers!" because a lot of the dialogue and narrative is VERY intellectual. An impression I got from the movie was that I was missing a lot of "in jokes" that probably only make sense if you are an engineer.

One aspect I thought differed from the "usual" time travel movie is that the main characters constantly create "doubles" of themselves every time they go back, and thus they start having to come up with mind-bending strategies to avoid interfering with each version of themselves and keep the reality they are in "paradox free". Unfortunately I think the exploration of this concept took precedence over plot development, which is ok, but doesn't really help in creating a film which will appeal to a broader audience. Not that it has to, I suppose.

If the film was intended to provoke thought first and foremost, then it certainly succeeds. The somewhat emotionally "dry" nature of the movie (IMO) doesn't really inspire repeat viewings however.

It's definitely worth a look though, and it's certainly an achievement in terms of the budget and experience the director had to work with.

Anyone else have comments, impressions, etc?
 
top film! bought it a few years ago, and it has stood the test of time and still remains in my collection. some people have referred to it as the adult Donne Darko, but i think the only thing connecting the two is the time travel/loop theme. its definitly a hard film to follow, the dialogue is quite dense and littered with terms i wasnt familiar with but after a couple of watches becomes easier to swallow. i sure felt smarter after watching it.

They guy who wrote this has got a hellava imagination. The part where they build the time machine was so convincing that it even seems like if you followed the steps they took in building the machine you would be left with a fully functional time machine. sadly, i did not try it :D
 

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