Psychopaths aren't bad, just emotionless!

Jeremy F Kreuz

Dagobah Resident
Got this in my mailbox: an add for the September issue of Scientific American, running an article on Psychopaths. Does anybody has access to the site of scientific American or has the magazine. Considering the way they promote the article it could be interesting what scientific spin they put on the issue of psychopaths. In the promotional blurb (quoted hereunder) they announce the psychopath is not so bad after all. I wonder also about the timing of running an article now. Is the general population catching up on the fact that our world is run by psychopaths? Does that need some damage control?

September 2010 Issue Highlight. Inside the Mind of a Psychopath. Neuroscientists are discovering that some of the most coldblooded killers aren't bad. They suffer from a brain abnormality that sets them adrift in an emotionless world
 
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Kinda goes along with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZgnCHweLM

Joe Newman on psychopathy... they aren't evil, they just have a brain problem.
 
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Laura said:
Kinda goes along with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZgnCHweLM

Joe Newman on psychopathy... they aren't evil, they just have a brain problem.

This whole line of reasoning seems very para-logical to me. It's founded on an assumption of what evil is, as if a person with "just" a brain problem can't be evil. Doesn't make much sense; the conclusion does not logically follow from the premise. Yes, psychopaths have a brain problem. And yes, they are evil and behave in ways we categorize as evil, based on the definition of the word.
 
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Approaching Infinity said:
Laura said:
Kinda goes along with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZgnCHweLM

Joe Newman on psychopathy... they aren't evil, they just have a brain problem.

This whole line of reasoning seems very para-logical to me. It's founded on an assumption of what evil is, as if a person with "just" a brain problem can't be evil. Doesn't make much sense; the conclusion does not logically follow from the premise. Yes, psychopaths have a brain problem. And yes, they are evil and behave in ways we categorize as evil, based on the definition of the word.

Exactly! Just because evil spawns from a brain problem, does not mean it is not evil. Perhaps because Psychopaths are evil because of a brain problem, we should not hate them - But we should still identify them as dangerous and hold them accountable for their behavior. (OSIT).

So many seem to have the idea that if evil happens as a result of a physical defect (like in the brain), we should make allowances...or accept the physical defect as an excuse. Thinking like that can get you killed.
 
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Jeremy F Kreuz said:
In the promotional blurb (quoted hereunder) they announce the psychopath is not so bad after all. I wonder also about the timing of running an article now. Is the general population catching up on the fact that our world is run by psychopaths?

Maybe 4D STS has got a move on to get there first with efforts to nominalize and beautify psychopathy. I can't help but notice the young "pretty boy" media images being associated with the subject, along with comments such as:

[...]
Psychopaths are likable guys when they want to be.
Source:_http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=inside-the-mind-of-a-psychopath


...too little or too much of anything (from twinkies to emotions) can be pathological.
Source: _http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=inside-the-mind-of-a-psychopath

I'm thinking that regardless of whether I'm taking that last quote out of context, the point is about subconscious associations as a process of ponerization.

Reminds me of a previous discussion where Laura pointed out the ponerization of Narcissism as "nism"; as in: "a little bit of nism is good for ya":

Clotho said:
Healthy Nism, if you do a search for it you will find out more about. :) We all have Nism in us, it is human nature, we need healthy Nism to have healthy self-confidence, healthy self-esteem. Unhealthy Nism is about hating yourself and using others to feed your self esteem and self confidence. Healthy Nism is truly knowing that everything you need is within yourself, not crushing others, but loving yourself.
 
The Neurobiology of Evil

http://bigthink.com/ideas/23882


The Neurobiology of Evil

John Cookson on September 8, 2010, 12:00 AM

Is a person's propensity toward evil a matter of malfunctioning synapses and neurons?

Michael Stone, professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University and author of “The Anatomy of Evil,” says it is. Ever-more-detailed brain scans are revealing the biological origins of psychological issues in "evil" people, from those who are mildly antisocial to serial murderers.

Under each brain’s wrinkly cortex lies the limbic system, an evolutionary heirloom controlling emotion and motivation, among other functions. Within this limbic system is the amygdala, an almond-shaped cluster of nuclei that processes our feelings of fear and pleasure.

Murderers and other violent criminals have been shown to have amygdalae that are smaller or that don’t function properly, explains Stone. One recent study concluded that individuals who exhibit a marker of “limbic neural maldevelopment” have “significantly higher levels of antisocial personality, psychopathy, arrests and convictions compared with controls.”

The amygdala is important because, among its other functions, it allows an individual to respond to the facial expressions of others. When a person has an abnormal amygdala—one that doesn't process the facial expressions of emotion—they can have an inability to register the fear and suffering of a victim, says Stone. This lack of response to the emotions of others predisposes an individual to antisocial, even criminal, behavior.

Under normal development, empathy from a full-functioning amygdala pairs with a moral “braking system” in the brain’s higher-functioning cortex. This connection halts deep-rooted urges from our neural-narcissistic lizard brain, keeping each of us morally and socially in step. However, if that connection is not operating properly, says Stone, "the person may go ahead and do the unspeakable crime, which otherwise he would have put the brakes on or maybe even not even contemplated doing it in the first place.”

A biological predisposition to antisocial behavior is not a sentence to criminality, but research shows a significant population of antisocial personality disorder among people in prison. A 2002 review of 62 studies sampling 2,300 prisoners found that almost half—47%—had antisocial personality disorder, which can be linked to or aggravated by developmental issues with the prefrontal cortex and with other parts of the brain.

This link between criminality and the brain has generated interest in where neurology and the law meet. Neurolaw—and more generally neuroethics—is a hot topic in universities, law schools and, increasingly, the judicial system. The newest brain-scanning technology is leading academics, lawyers, judges and scientists to reevaluate or reinforce laws that have been based on the culpability of the person, not of the brain. Legal defenses that blame the brain while exonerating the "person" have not flooded the courts, yet the attention among academics is undeniable, with papers, foundation-organized seminars, blogs and courses proliferating. In 2007, for example, more than two dozen universities were awarded a share of a $10 million MacArthur project specifically to study this intersection of law and neuroscience.

The implications don't end there. Brains are built from the blueprints encoded in our DNA, a fact which is leading the newest research to seek out specific genes that predispose people toward antisocial—even "evil"—behavior. According to a review of recent research, at least seven specific genes have been identified that both are linked to antisocial or aggressive behavior and are thought to organize how brain growth is structured. These seven—MAOA, 5HTT, BDNF, NOTCH4, NCAM, tlx, and Pet-1-ETS—are the usual suspects for neuroscientists looking beyond brain anatomy to the genetic origins of "evil".

Takeaway


Thanks to MRI and PET brain scans, we now know more than ever about how deficiencies in certain parts of the brain may underlie "evil" behavior. These scans show antisocial, rule-breaking populations who prone to criminality have structurally impaired sections of the brain, such as the amygdala.

The implications of a brain-based origin for "evil" potentially open up testing for predisposition to antisocial, even psychopathic, behavior early in a life. A study published in November by the American Journal of Psychiatry suggests that amygdala dysfunction in children as young as three can cause a lacking response to fear that precedes criminality in adulthood.

Learn More

— Gao, Yu, et al. “Association of Poor Childhood Fear Conditioning and Adult Crime.”

— Davidson, R. et al. “Dysfunction in the Neural Circuitry of Emotion Regulation — A Possible Prelude to Violence.”

— Raine, A., and Yang, Y. “Neural foundations to moral reasoning and antisocial behavior.”

— DeLisi, M., et al. “The Criminology of the Amygdala.”

— Raine, A., et al. “A neurodevelopmental marker for limbic maldevelopment in antisocial personality disorder and psychopathy.”

— Raine, A. “From genes to brain to antisocial behavior. Current Directions in Psychological Science.”
 
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davey72 said:
looks like a good q to search the site on.

Hi davey72,

I have noticed that in many of your posts, you use very short abbreviations or letters to say something.

Since there is quite a lot of members on this forum which their native tongue is not English, could you please write in such a way that everyone can read you easily.

Thanks.
 
the numbers always bring me back to this site

my mind tells me this is the spot to say thank you, with ALL of my heart

I only hope that I can one day show you life, in the way you have shown it to me :cry:
 
Hi wh4tnumb3r5,

Welcome to the forum. :) We recommend all new members to post an introduction in the Newbies section telling us a bit about themselves, and how they found their way here. Have a read through that section to get an idea of how others have done it. Thanks.
 
I sometimes wonder how i know i'm not a psychopath?I know the c's said that you are not if you feel empathy,but then they can appear to have empathy by taking the energy from a souled being.I am curious if a psycopath thinks that he/she feels empathy?Would one cry for another while no-one is around?
 
davey72 said:
I sometimes wonder how i know i'm not a psychopath?I know the c's said that you are not if you feel empathy,but then they can appear to have empathy by taking the energy from a souled being.I am curious if a psycopath thinks that he/she feels empathy?Would one cry for another while no-one is around?

There's a difference between having empathy and appearing to have empathy. A psychopath really has no conception of empathy, so they can't have any conception that they lack it. As for if they really believe it or not, I think this is relevant, from July 22, 2010:

Q: (Perceval) Does he know that he's a psychopath?

A: No. Do any?

Q: (L) Well, there are some who say they know that they are a psychopath.

A: They don't really believe it. It is just another ploy.

Q: (L) So those people that some psychologists report, and they say, "I've got a psychopath, he knows he's a psychopath. He has sadness on his face when he tells me, 'I know there are feelings that I can never feel'", that that's just horse hockey and they're just pulling the psychologist’s leg again?

A: Yes.
 
(L) I mean, people that believe lies against all evidence are the ones that really baffle me. I mean, they don't baffle me in the sense that I don't understand why they do it, because I understand the psychological and brain mechanism, and I understand that's it been thousands of years, little by little, gradually, pathologically encroaching until now we live in this world where it's just literally -everything is dirty - it's just really horrible. And I can't imagine what... I mean, what about a psychopath? What about a psychopath who doesn't have emotions? How is a hyperkinetic sensate {wave} going to affect a psychopath?

A: They do have a sort of "emotion". Hunger for darkness.

session: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=14944.msg119029#msg119029

I think thats something that drives them like an emotion, may be thats why its a "sort of"
 
Perhaps if your soul chooses sts, It can then choose to incarnate into a being with a bad brain,or subconcsiously change their dna to suit their agendas in these human bodies?
 
Reading about psychopaths makes me think of these lines from the movie 'Tombstone'
(very good if you havent seen it)

Wyatt Earp: What makes a man like Ringo, Doc? What makes him do the things he does?
Doc Holliday: A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.
Wyatt Earp: What does he need?
Doc Holliday: Revenge.
Wyatt Earp: For what?
Doc Holliday: Bein' born.
 

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