psychopathy and adoption

sailing away

A Disturbance in the Force
I've been trolling through the boards and haven't come across explicit topics on this matter but excuse me if there are. As an adoptee, all too familiar with the aspects of the situation, I cannot help but notice the relationship of adoption to ponerology. Separating children from their mothers at birth seems to be the best way of manufacturing psychopathology and of rendering otherwise whole individuals to a subservient and broken state. Look into literature, history, and the annuls of science and you'll note that those extracted from mothers at birth become uniquely damaged, broken, and challenged with regards to intellectual, spiritual, and psychological development.

In a recent post by Laura, I noticed that international adoption is 'touted as part of a "solution" to world overpopulation. I look forward to a discussion on the matter as I find the whitewashing of adoption to be another symptom of what we are experiencing in our present 3D here and now.
 
adoption and pschopathology

I have been doing a lot of research on adoption issues lately in part because I am an adoptee familiar to them and because I seek to understand more about the madness surrounding it. The more I read the more staggering I find the toll. Adoptees represent a disproportionate population in juvenile detention centers, psychiatric facilities, prisons, drug rehabilitation, AND serial killers. More and more research indicates lasting damage is caused by yanking newborns from their mothers arms yet the industry flourishes and the general population has a positive view of the practice. I suspect most people would jump to a genetic argument for why mental disorders abound but I suspect that depriving a human being with the security, love, and care that only a mother can provide acts as a poison to the soul. If you want to create more psychopaths this seems to be one of the best recipes. It's hard for me to say it as well since I realize I'm part of the risk group but I also think that a good proportion of adoptees with mental disorders are just a manifestation of our collective cognitive dissonance. Think of one of the most common things said to an adoptee concerning their entrance into the world "Your mother loved you so much she gave you away." "You're special and chosen because we couldn't have children of our own." "We're your Real parents but your real parents couldn't take care of you." "Be grateful that your mother couldn't keep you." And on and on, it's enough to make you feel like you're taking crazy pills. Growing up, I always knew I would search one day and the burning desire to know who I 'really' was burgeoned into a deep love of inquiry and questioning authority, it also taught me to keep my mouth shut around the unawake. Unfortunately what I often noticed is that many of my fellow adoptees seemed to have been adopted by psychopaths and I could never understand how it was that people actually thought these kids were better off with these monsters than with a single mother who happened to be poor. I've been reading over the boards and haven't noticed much discussion of this. I'm curious to know what others think since the process seems to be so devastating and produces a disproportionate number of pschopaths or at least those wounded by them.
 
There's this lovely case too. How did they get this many children?

http://childrenintherapy.org/victims/gravelle.html
 
Part of the problem could be that psychopaths reproduce often but don't take care of their children and they end up getting adopted out - and would be in trouble anyway.
 
sailing away said:
There's this lovely case too. How did they get this many children?

http://childrenintherapy.org/victims/gravelle.html

Good question. There are obviously many issues under the umbrella of this topic.

I know a couple - really loving people - who adopted a war orphan. The child was so damaged there was nothing that could be done except institutionalize the child. And my friends tried everything, working closely with therapists, etc, for about 6 or 7 years. It got to the point that they were afraid to go to sleep at night for fear this child would murder them in their beds.

I also have friends who are adopted and were raised beautifully and wouldn't want to even know their biological parents. I guess your perspective depends on what happened to you.

As I mentioned above, there could be a large number of fledgling psychopaths being adopted out into normal homes, too.
 
Re: adoption and pschopathology

sailing away said:
"Your mother loved you so much she gave you away." "You're special and chosen because we couldn't have children of our own." "We're your Real parents but your real parents couldn't take care of you." "Be grateful that your mother couldn't keep you." And on and on, it's enough to make you feel like you're taking crazy pills.

That's bad parenting. One would hope people would naturally not talk like that but it is a problem that experts do warn against. Some people really do need to pay attention to the education available. My adopted daughter (at 5 months) is the happiest kid I've ever seen. My biological son is happy too in spite of the very introverted personality he inherited from me. They get along great, she occasionally has to tell people her brother (who is older by two and a half years, 3 grades) doesn't talk.
 
These kinds of messages come from all around though, not necessarily the parents. Some of the worst things said to me were actually from extended family and of course on the playground.

I do think there a some very interesting questions about what happens to children when they are taken from their mothers at birth. Premies who spend too much time in incubators exhibit similar issues and during the first year so much crucial development happens. I was looking at the stats for the number of serial killers who were adoptees and all were adopted at birth. Now it does make sense that parents who were psychopaths themselves would be able relinquish with greater ease but as with those who exhibit psychopathological traits as the result of say brain injury perhaps there is something equally physiologically damaging to infants who do not get to share the mother bond. I'm looking into the statistics a bit more.
 
sailing away said:
I was looking at the stats for the number of serial killers who were adoptees and all were adopted at birth.  Now it does make sense that parents who were psychopaths themselves would be able relinquish with greater ease but as with those who exhibit psychopathological traits as the result of say brain injury perhaps there is something equally physiologically damaging to infants who do not get to share the mother bond.  I'm looking into the statistics a bit more. 

Hi sailing away, could you possibly link to the source of these statistics you mention so others can review the research?
 
Hi Anart,

Here are some of the better primary sources I have come across. I’m still compiling my notes and figures and will share them but in the meantime here are a few.

500 serial killers currently in the U.S; about 80 or 16% have been identified as adoptees. Since government stats indicate adoptees represent "only 2-3% (5-10-million) of the general population," 16% that are serial killers is an "over-representation" compared to the general population.
FBI http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/serialkiller.htm

Note: I believe the actual number of US adoptees is in between 7-8 Million.


Adopted 'children' are disproportionately represented with learning disabilities and organic brain syndrome.
Schecter, M., Ph.D., (1981) Lecture. American Adoption Congress.

Mental health professionals are surprised at the alarmingly high number of their patients who are adopted. Studies show an average of 25 to 35% of the young people in residential treatment centers are adoptees. This is 17 times the norm.
Lifton, B.J., Ph.D.. (1988) Lost and found: the adoption experience. 2nd Ed. New York City.

60 to 85% of the teens at Coldwater Canyon's Center For Personal Development, are adopted. That is 30 to 40 times the norm. The center is a private acute-care psychiatric hospital/school in Southern California.
Ostroff, R., (November 20, 1986) "A look inside America's hidden system of teen control". Rolling Stone.

Adoptees are more likely to have difficulties with drug and alcohol abuse, as well as, eating disorders, attention deficit disorder, infertility, suicide and untimely pregnancies.
Bohman, M and Van Korring, A.. (1979) "Psychiatric illness among adults adopted as infants". Acta Psychiati Scand.

Adoption is a billion dollar industry
A healthy white baby can fetch as much as $100,000 for the broker
The Stork Market: America's Multi-Billion Dollar Unregulated Adoption Industry
by Mirah Riben (Author), Evelyn Robinson (Foreword), Jena M. Gaines (Editor)

For the last 8 years the Bush administration instituted “Abstinence Only” for sexual education. This resulted in a rise in teen pregnancy rates. This must have been good for the adoption industry too and it would seem, increases the rate of mental illness including, seemingly, psychopathology.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8470845/

For an enlightening perspective on the history of adoption and the rise of the adoption industry after the 40s to supply infertile white couples with healthy white babies there's this book which was a New York Times Notable Book of the Year.
Wake up Little Suzy by Rickie Sollinger 1992

Sites of interest…
http://www.adoptedkillers.com/
http://poundpuplegacy.org/

Here are two quotes I found in Nancy Verrier’s book “The Primal Wound.” A very enlightening book which I found is very often referred to on adoptee forums as spot on.

“Too often in our approach to the newborn we deal with him as if he is exactly that – “Brand new.” We neglect the fact that the neonate is really the culmination of an experience that has lasted 40 weeks…By looking at the neonate as if he “sprung full-blown from the brain of Zeus.” We are missing the opportunities that the newborn’s history as a fetus can provide.”
Brazelton, T.B. (1982). Pre-birth memories appear to have lasting effect. Brain/Mind Bulletin, 7(5), 2.

The child who is placed with adoptive parents at or soon after birth misses the mutual and deeply satisfying mother-child relationship, the roots of which lie in that deep area of the personality where the physiological and the psychological for the child and for the natural mother are merged. Both for the child and the natural mother, that period is part of a biological sequence, and it is to be doubted whether the relationship of the child to its post-partum mother in its subtler effects, can be replaced by even the best of substitute mothers.
Clothier, F. (1943). The sychology of the Adopted Child. Mental Hygeine, 27, 222-230.

"Adoption Loss is the only trauma in the world where the victims are expected by the whole of society to be grateful" - The Reverend Keith C. Griffith, MBE
 
In Joseph Chilton Pearce's book, The Death of Religion and the Rebirth of the Spirit he mentions a study by Nobel laureate in ethology, Nikos Tinbergen on the importance of mother/infant bonding and breastfeeding for future healthy development of the child. Tinburgen studied the metabolism of the early infant and determined that a human newborn needs to feed about every twenty minutes in its early days, with the periods between feedings growing progressively longer as the months go by.

Nature arranged the human's feeding schedule to balance an intricately woven fabric of interdependant needs the satisfaction of which is critical to being fully human. These center primarily on the emotional systems of both infants and mothers. Pediatrician Maria Montessori noted more than fifty years ago that at about nine months after birth, full-strength hydrochloric acid appears in the infant's system - and this nine month marker plays a significant role in bonding. Steiner likewise emphasized the critical role of breastfeeding in the first nine months after birth.

Just as it took nine months to grow the infant in the mother's womb, it takes another nine months in the arms of the mother to establish that infant firmly in the matrix of its new world. Most important, as we have seen, at this time the prefrontal cortex grows. Further, nature must activate and stabilize all body functions, particularly the heart, which requires both constant reciprocal interaction with the DNA complex of the mother's body, heart and emotional system and overlap of and entrainment between the mother's and infant's electromagnetic fields. To accomplish all this, nature does what she can to keep the infant primarily in arms for that period of critical brain growth and system stabilization.
 
I found this thread very valuable and although my post is not specifically about the relationship between psychopathy and adoption, I think you will find that it is related.
If not, I ask the moderators to move it to an appropriate thread.

In third world countries, most newborns are not immediately separated from the birth mother. The infants are held and carried by the mother and breastfed "on demand". "On demand" feeding - meaning that the infant breastfeeds as frequently as it wants to. In these cultures, this physical proximity that accompanies breastfeeding contributes to the possibility/probability that "bonding" will indeed occur between the birth mother and the newborn. Even in cases of children born to a mother who is ill, or a mother who may die during childbirth, the infants are cared for and breastfed by a surrogate mother in the village who is still lactating. These newborns are also held and cared for by other surrogate mothers in a village or small community. In this environment "bonding" is viewed as a natural behavior of the females in the community where the infant is born.
The concept of "bonding" is not necessarily viewed as an experience that must be limited to the birth mother and the newborn - although this may indeed be the ideal.

In industrialized countries, like the U.S., most infants are born in a hospital. The "system" is set up whereby the umbilical cord is immediately cut, and the newborn is immediately separated from the birth mother. Initially, the newborn is in the same room for a few short minutes, as vital signs are taken and a medical head to toe assessment of the infant takes place. The newborns are then whisked off to the "newborn nursery" - where they are once again medically assessed, remain naked or dressed in a diaper and then placed under a warmer for a period of time that can last from 30 minutes to an hour. In the majority of cases, the newborn will lie scantilly clothed (if clothed at all) - under flourescent lights and will cry inconsolably. If the newborn remains "stable", a thorough bath follows, where all or most of the protective vernix is scrubbed off the newborns skin. The newborn is then dressed, wrapped in a blanket, placed alone in a nursery bassinet and kept separated from the birth mother until it is determined that the "patient" is, once again, "medically stable". Frequently the newborn rejoins the mother (the other patient) - who by now is also "stable" and has been taken to a hospital room. The manufacturers of infant "formula" provide free formula to every hospital in the U.S. In some hospitals, breastfeeding is encouraged and even taught in the hospital setting. In spite of this, statistics demonstrate that breastfeeding continues to remain as the choice of the minority of mothers. Once again, the existing system is set up to discourage breastfeeding.

I don't think it is necessary to go on with this very typical description of birth in industrialized countries, as the point I am trying to make is that newborns that remain with the birth mother - as well as newborns that are adopted - are all victims of a "system" that views birth as a medical condition that requires medical treatment and that categorizes the mother and the newborn as "patients" requiring medical care. This system of "medically managing" the birth experience for the birth mother, the adoptive mother as well as the newborn, serves to medicalize the entire experience and it greatly discourages any form of bonding from occurring in the first 48 to 72 hours following birth.

If in fact, the discouragement of any kind of bonding is built in to the western medicalized version of birth (and I think that it is), and if this contributes to the development of psychopathy, then we are looking at a very serious and problematic issue here.

I propose for your consideration, that newborn adoption does not/should not automatically cancel the possibility/probability of bonding between mother and child.

If the adoptive mother is in a position to make informed choices, the adoptive birth experience can be shaped into an experience where bonding can indeed take place. Whenever possible, the newborn can be united with the adoptive mother immediately following the birth. The long list of healthy possibilities that exist, include bottle feeding the adopted newborn with breastmilk donated by another lactating mother. Biological birth mothers as well as adoptive mothers have the legal and moral right to make decisions, choices and demands as to what happens and what does not happen to the newborn immediately following the birth experience. Unfortunately, the majority of biological and adoptive mothers in the western world are ill informed about their rights and succumb to the already existing medicalized system of birth.
 
Black Swan said:
In Joseph Chilton Pearce's book, The Death of Religion and the Rebirth of the Spirit he mentions a study by Nobel laureate in ethology, Nikos Tinbergen on the importance of mother/infant bonding and breastfeeding for future healthy development of the child.

Nancy Verrier talks about this in "The Primal Wound". Her point is that, no matter how warm and caring your adoptive family is, there is that initial trauma of being separated from the "biological mother unit" that may show in one way or the other, depending on the child's temperament. While that stuff is not hard science, it seems that about 50% of adoptees reading this experience instant and profound recognition.



Think of one of the most common things said to an adoptee concerning their entrance into the world "Your mother loved you so much she gave you away." "You're special and chosen because we couldn't have children of our own." "We're your Real parents but your real parents couldn't take care of you." "Be grateful that your mother couldn't keep you." And on and on, it's enough to make you feel like you're taking crazy pills.

Yes. These things can be so subtle too, you would not even see them as "bad parenting". I think the bottom line is that adoption is preceded by abandonment, and the latter it traumatic -- and our culture and the tradition of adoption those early experiences are not acknowledged. The US model of adoption has become a basis for the way adoption is legally done in the West. It really is a new thing in history: in ancient or medieval times, adoption didn't imply complete severance of responsibilities and rights of the original parents and transferring of those to the adoptive parent, or any secrecy regarding the child's past. As it is done now, it is almost assumed that the abandonment and biological heritage can be erased completely from the child's personal history. It can't. As open adoption is practiced more and more, this seems less prevalent now but still occurs.

Some more random data:

1) not many people know it, but adult adoptees that were adopted via closed adoption are the only people in this country who are denied access to their own birth records. The stated purpose is to protect the secrecy of the procedure and the privacy of birth mothers. In reality, surveys show that more than 90% of birth mothers would not mind being contacted by their children, of whom only 50% search for their biological parents at some point in their lives. The unstated reason from long ago seems to be to protect the children from the stigma of illegitimacy. This concern is irrelevant in our times. Yet, despite the effort of many people, this violation of basic rights persists.

Because of lack of access to their birth certificates, people have been denied security clearance at governmental jobs, or had it significantly delayed. Additionally, some people will run into problems obtaining passports because the new rules have just been instituted by the government. If your birth certificate has been filed more than a year after your date of birth, your application will be denied. Adoptees adopted via closed process receive new birth certificate, and if that took too long, too bad for them.

2) Guatemala is the latest country to tighten adoption regulation due to gross misdealings by western adoption facilitators. There is a pattern of pressuring poor women from developing countries to abandon their children, or incidents of downright kidnapping. Some recent high-profile Hollywood celebrity adoptions are ethically questionable as well. Madonna's adopted son from Malawi had a father who was visiting him in the orphanage every weekend. When Madonna saw the boy and liked him, the father was told that "a western lady will help take care of your child". Next thing he knew, the child was taken away and any subsequent contact was denied.
 
Part of the problem could be that psychopaths reproduce often but don't take care of their children and they end up getting adopted out - and would be in trouble anyway.


I am not so sure about that. That may be, but the environmental factors would IMO be more prevalent.

If we talk about infant adoptions, then a typical adoptee born before Roe vs Wade would be a child of a teenage mother from a middle-class or a well-to-do family, whose parents, following the "moral norms of the society", pressure her to abandon the child and send her to a special hospital for unwed mothers to deliver the baby and leave him\her there. Up to 30% of those women never get pregnant again, even when subsequently married, according to Verrier's data, due to some sort of psychologically induced infertility. Their trauma is denied even more than the trauma of adoptees, and the point is, most of them didn't want to abandon the babies but had no other choice.

Seems like these days domestic infant adoption is shifting to low-income mothers who are persuaded by organizations such as Birth Right to keep the pregnancy rather than get an abortion, and are connected with the prospective adopting family. AS soon as this happens, there is pretty much no turning back for the birth mother. There are some cases when the birth mother renegs on the agreement because she just feels during the last months of pregnancy or even already in the hospital that she cannot give the baby up. It happened to a friend of mine who was going to adopt in this way. The most amazing thing is people's reactions in such cases: "that birth mother is irresponsible, how will she support herself and the baby". As if it is her duty, because of poverty and adverse life circumstances, to give her child to a family that is better off. International adoption controversies seem to have a similar spirit to them.

Then you have children who have been languishing in the foster care for before, or ever, being adopted. That would likely be the situation where the statement of "psychopaths abandoning their kids" would apply. But there we also have a lot of radical attachment disorder (RAD), which is like psychopathy, but learned as a result of prolonged obvious neglect. Very hard to separate it from any from genetic predisposition.





Here are some of the better primary sources I have come across. I’m still compiling my notes and figures and will share them but in the meantime here are a few.


the older studies tend to be more dramatic than the recent ones. Also, anything that concentrates on the prison population can be critisized on the grounds that, 1) they mix in the adoptees with negative foster care experience, and 2) there are overall a lot more well-adjusted adoptees, and if the whole populations (not just the prison populations) of adoptees and non-adoptees are compared, the difference may be insignificant.

Newer studies find that adopted children indeed have about twice more depression, anxiety and substance abuse problems that require contact with medical professionals, but overall the numbers are still small:

\\\http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1737667,00.html
\\\http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/05/05/adoptees-more-prone-to-mental-health-problems

The authors also note that the domestic adoptees tend to act out in disorderly conduct while international adoptees tend to internalize the conflict which causes depression and anxiety. They attribute it to genetic reasons and call the international adoptees "better adjusted". To me it's more like the replay of the "good adoptee" -"bad adoptee" false alternative:

In order to play what I call The Adoption Game, adoptees assume different roles. Some become the Good Adoptee, who is placid, obedient, doesn’t ask too many questions, and is willing to live "as if" born into the adoptive family. The Bad Adoptee is rebellious and acts out at home and in school. But here is the paradox: the seemingly Good Adoptees often feel like an impostor because of the secret thoughts and fantasies they are hiding from the parents. And Bad Adoptees, who act out early, sometimes reform, and become overly solicitous to the adoptive parents in young adulthood. For years after Lost and Found came out, adoptees would write or come up to me announcing: "I was the Good Adoptee"or "I was the Bad Adoptee." (\\\http://www.tapestrybooks.com/product.asp?pID=998),

and the reason that international adoptees may choose the "good adoptee" mode more often is that they, being foreign born, often had to deal with racial or ethnic minority issues and larger "fitting-in" challenges, on top of the adoption issues.


By adulthood the difference seems to diminish, as some researchers say -- or, at least, people don't use mental health services as much
\\\http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-6523387/Use-of-mental-health-services.html#abstract

Here is another interesting quote that underscores individual differences and personal experience

\\\http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/9606/survey.html

Given the previously mentioned limitations, the overall finding was that the adult adoptees scored about half way between the General Normative Data and the Outpatient Normative Data on each of the test instruments. Specifically, on both the measure of distress and the depression scale, male and female adoptees scored about half way between the General Normative Data and the Outpatient Normative Data. On the measure of anger, the female adoptees scored slightly higher than the General Normative Data and the male adoptees' score was virtually the same as the General Normative Data. Taken together, the results indicate that adult adoptees tend to report higher levels of maladjustment than nonadoptees but they are by no means a pathological group.

Comparisons were also made between Nonsearching, Searching, and Reunited adoptees. For each test instrument, Nonsearchers reported the least maladjustment followed by the Reunited and Searching subgroups. This rank order Finding occurred for both male and female adoptees. Because of the previously mentioned shortcomings in this research, it is impossible to determine whether searching is a stressful process that contributes to the differences between search groups or if psychological distress motivates adoptees to search.





I propose for your consideration, that newborn adoption does not/should not automatically cancel the possibility/probability of bonding between mother and child.

If the adoptive mother is in a position to make informed choices, the adoptive birth experience can be shaped into an experience where bonding can indeed take place. Whenever possible, the newborn can be united with the adoptive mother immediately following the birth. The long list of healthy possibilities that exist, include bottle feeding the adopted newborn with breastmilk donated by another lactating mother.

I disagree with the basic spirit of this assertion. It carries the same problem of denying that the fact of abandonment has taken place, that the family ties were broken, and that the child has lost a family before finding another one.

These days, in infant adoption the child IS most often united with the adoptive mother right after birth. It is the adoptive mother and father who are in the hospital while the child is born, they are the first to get to hold the child -- and then take him\her away in two days, while the birth mother is patted on the back with, "you did good for your baby", and denied the very right to grieve.

The thing is, and it is the truth -- many, may be most people who give children up for infant adoption WOULD HAVE KEPT THEM if FAMILY PRESERVATION was a priority in our society, if they were given a little more support in hard times. Same in overseas, if poor young mothers were protected from soft-spoken baby-brokers.

My most heart-breaking experience while studying this topic last year was a yahoo!answers adoption forum post from a young girl in the US who was 4 or 5 months pregnant, and her question was, something along the lines of: "I have meager empoyment and no health insurance, I have no money for prenatal care or hospital labor, HOW CAN I KEEP THE BABY?" (if she were to give the baby away, the adoptive family would have paid for her health care needs) This is, supposedly, the richest -bleep-ing country on earth, and its young female citizen is asking, how can she KEEP the baby -- how she, plagued with poverty, can go against the default and KEEP her, not give away. This is crazy.

And the thing is, yes, there is financial aid and health insurance assistance available to a person in this situation, but -- good luck finding relevant information. All the social services government websites are very hard to search, navigate or decipher. Then you have to figure out where to go, what to bring, when you'll get anything. While Birthright or a similar service is the first entry in any phone book, and easy to find, and once you there, you will be helped.

IMO instead of supporting adoption facilitators (some of those organizations, btw, are religiously based and consider adoption in foreign cultures as part of their evangelization efforts) or making the process of transferring the child from one family to another smoother, we as a society should support family preservation by way of education and financial assistance, where applicable. I emphasize that we are talking about general idea behind infant adoptions, not other kinds of adoption and not about any specific cases of either.
 
Hildegarda said:
Guatemala is the latest country to tighten adoption regulation due to gross misdealings by western adoption facilitators. There is a pattern of pressuring poor women from developing countries to abandon their children, or incidents of downright kidnapping.

I had a conversation with an Ethiopian guy the other day - he was complaining about how often this is happening in Ethiopia lately and he said the mothers of the children are basically deceived and/or pressured to give up their children.
 

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