Québec Election Result: Shootout, Murder And Fire

[Deleted member 8431]

So yesterday was the voting day in Québec. A tragedy happened at the end but first, let's take a look at the results quickly.

THE ELECTION

The war was against three main parties (out of seven).

- Parti Québécois (Pauline Marois): Democratic socialism, separatist, center-left wing;
- Parti Liberal (Jean Charest): Liberalism, centrism, federalist, center-right wing;
- Coalition Avenir Québec (François Legault): Centrism, autonomism, federalist, right wing;

The battle was intense and here are the results. There are 125 districts in total.

- Parti Québécois: 54 districts, 32% of the votes
- Parti Libéral: 50 districts, 31% of the votes
- Coalition Avenir Québec: 19 districts, 27% of the votes
- Québec Solidaire: 2 districts, 6% of the votes
- Others: 0 district, 4% of the votes

The Parti Québécois barely made it. So now, for the first time in the history of Québec, we have a women as a cheif and she is separatist. Thing is she didn't get the majority though so all the things she wants to do will be seriously compromised.

The results themselves are quite suspicious but that is another story. Many people here are already willing to ask for a re-count. We'll see.

TRAGEDY

Now the major event that shocked us happened at around midnight ET while Pauline Marois was making her first speech as a PM. Near the end of it, she said she wants to make a country out of this province and she said to anglophones that their rights will remain even though she wants to push the Bill 101 (French language protection) a bit further.

Now all of a sudden, we heard an explosion behind the stage and the PM was instantly taken away by the bodyguards. Minutes after, police officers have arrested a man that apparently got inside the building with a AK-47-like rifle and managed to shoot two people. One of the two died of his injuries while the other is safe (but hurt). The madman also managed to ignite the whole building behind the center where the PM was.

The man, while walking towards the police car looked at the medias and said in French (with a strong English accent) that "English people are waking up".

Now as far as the Bill 101 is concerned, what this PM wants to do is simply to make sure that all services to the population are available in French (it's not the case, especially in Montréal). She dosen't want to restrict other languages at all but just to make sure the official language is respected for the sake of the majority who speaks French. Anglophones seems to demonize that idea. The madman may be one example.

So basically, the whole thing smells bad. First, how could a man walk around that area with explosives, a AK-47-like weapon, ignite a fire and manage to actually get behind the PM and shoot people? That is an obscure mystery and medias haven't raised the question much yet. He apparently got in by the back door but that's a one-way exit and there were supposed to be many many police officers and security guards around all building and doors. Especially since the student protestation movement, security was boosted (sounds familiar eh) but yet, that man had no problem getting there without being seen. He started a fire, went in, threw a smoke bomb and shot people.

Weird things are happening here in Québec. Especially this year. It's insane. It's the same as "war on terror" but applied in Québec. I feel that a revolution is coming.

We'll see. I'll add info as I get more.

Feel free to comment. As they say, the devil's in the details!

Peace.

Edit: Spelling/grammar

 

[loreta]

Wow. La soupe est chaude, as we used to say. ;) (The soup is hot)

Politicians like division. Maybe again we will see a division between English and French in Quebec. It not something new. This problem is old as Matusalén. Specially in Quebec.

Maybe another October Crisis is boiling in the horizon? Who knows!

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Wow. La soupe est chaude, as we used to say. ;) (The soup is hot)

Politicians like division. Maybe again we will see a division between English and French in Quebec. It not something new. This problem is old as Matusalén. Specially in Quebec.

Maybe another October Crisis is boiling in the horizon? Who knows!

La soupe est chaude indeed! French onion soup perhaps.

Division is and has always been at the heart of our campaings (no big news eh). The federalists always try to scare anglophones by telling them independance will ruin their rights, destroy their cultures and language. As if once we become independant, we say no to immigrants and other languages/cultures. That's not true! Québec has always been and is very open to anybody that want to establish here.

The thing with now elected PM is also that she wants to adopt a chart of laicity. Basically it would demand that the state does not express itself as following a religion. So it would mean no religious symbolism/ritual expressed within the public function. Yet, other federalists are scaring others telling them we want to abolish religion and whatever nonsense.

Anyhow, that's two major things concerning the new party and you could add independance with it. Federalists say that becoming independant would result in economic collapse, angry frenchmen revolution etc. As if we weren't able to just take care of our own decisions and think for ourselves.

Now Harper on his side is also preparing in the case of a referendum and is also preparing to face our new leader who dosen't like him as much as federalists. That should be an interesting saga to follow.

Yep. My fellow Québecois & Québécoises are sadly becoming seriously divided. Student protestation, corruption, left vs right, federal vs provincial, poor vs rich, french vs english, old vs young etc etc etc. Now that maniac that somehow got inside and shot people, without anybody noticing. That is just weird. But that's reality.

Now I'm starting to realise what the C's mean by "revolution".

Peace.

 

[loreta]

Surely you know this movie? Le Confort et l'Indifférence by Denis Arcand.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123730/

By what you say, they utilize the same discourse, absolutely the sames ideas than more than 30 decades ago. The PTB have no imagination at all. And they think that people are equal insipid then them. We live in the 21 century but the politicians live in the Middle Ages. Same here with Catalonia. In fact Catalonia and Quebec are very similar and their ties are very strong. The Catalans wanted also the independence, they are tired of the central state and pay for the rest of Spain. Catalonia is a rich community, like Quebec, but forget about it. The other day a general say: on my dead body Catalonia will be independent. The military elite is ready, a Catalan friend told me yesterday, for another civil war instead of give the independence. But she also told me that Catalans are tired, very tired of this situation and the 11 of September there will be a huge manifestation for the independence of the region. But it seems to me that one side or the other they are all manipulated, to create this "revolution", this state of confrontation that will take proportions that we don't know where it will finish. The important thing, for the politicians, is to do anything to make forget the terrible economic situation of this country made by them. So yes, maybe a revolution but created, manipulated and put in place by the power.

Thanks JayMark to post about this situation.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Surely you know this movie? Le Confort et l'Indifférence by Denis Arcand.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123730/

Will check, thanks!

So yes, maybe a revolution but created, manipulated and put in place by the power.

I think you are right on this one! Create a problem, let it grow, let it degenerate and use the revolutions to point out how dangerous it is becoming, how violent people are and impose new laws (the 'solution').

That's exactly what happened with the student protesting movement. Liberals created a mess, refused to negotiate, let the movement grow and infiltrated the students to create chaos from the inside. Then they said "see you aren't able to protest peacefully so here is a new law" and BAM! - the law 78 was created. It was judged unconstitutional and even lawers protested in the streets at some point. Didn't matter.

Now the new elected PM wants to cancel this law and cancel the raise in school fees (ignitor of movement) but since she only has a minority, and that the balance of power is from right wing parties, it'll be hard.

Everything is a dang setup. Federals have talked on TV to us yesterday and made it clear that they won't be 'tender' with the new separatist party.

Thanks JayMark to post about this situation.

No problem. My province is changing now. People are starting to get very agitated. I feel that something big is coming...

 

[knowledge_of_self]

I was reading about this incident on SOTT

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/250845-Suspect-in-Deadly-Canada-Election-Shooting-Faces-16-Charges

and a few thoughts came to me and I wanted to share them.

One thing is that in the article it states that the shooting suspect, Richard Henry Bain, was somewhat of an entrepreneur who was super frustrated with several failed ventures and complained about bureaucracy.

As someone living in Canada, who's experienced that first hand I can say that I can really see it happening. Due to all the run-around and illogical people in the government you deal with all day. Which usually leaves you feeling like you want to rip your hair out by the end of the day. So I can see a possibility of someone who doesn't have full control over themselves can literally snap like this guy seems to have.

However, if this is somehow related to another Greenbaum situation like the Aurora movie massacre. I made a few interesting connections.

One: This shooting also happened "just outside of a Montreal theater".
Two: This man's last name is Bain. Which is also a villain from Batman (who also happened to be a character in the Dark Knight Rises)

I just thought those were pretty eerie 'coincidences.'

 

[loreta]

I will not be surprise if it is a setup or something like that. What I found strange is that this event happened justly when Mrs. Pauline Marois was due to make her discourse, and was unable to do it because of it. How frustrating for the Quebecois who voted for her and how insulting for the winner party. I don't believe in politicians, they are all the same don't make me wrong, but if you win an election you should celebrated, specially enjoy that the Parti Quebecois win! But this was a sort of message to all Quebecois: no joy, no projects, no change.

So as before, the Quebecois will loose, even if they wanted change, laws more strict concerning the French, etc. The law 101 is relatively a good law to the survive of the French language. It is important. Quebecois have to protect their culture that is rich and beautiful. And French is part of this culture.

But politicians are part of a big machinery. So even if people wanted change they have in front the politicians that are between them and change.

"Une douche froide" was also this meeting. A cold shower for the Quebecois!

 

[Voyageur]

Noticed the man said this:

_http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/09/05/mtl-pq-victory-rally-attack.html

...Police earlier said they weren't sure whether the 62-year-old suspect is an anglophone or francophone. They said he was speaking both languages...The man shouted in French at TV cameras while being dragged toward the cruiser, "The English are waking up!" Police would only say that he spoke with an accent.

Not sure about that comment, strange, imo.

The press discusses a fire made with an accelerant at the back door and that many guns were seized from his home (a hunting lodge); so no surprise about the guns there.

I was reading about this incident on SOTT

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/250845-Suspect-in-Deadly-Canada-Election-Shooting-Faces-16-Charges

[...]

One: This shooting also happened "just outside of a Montreal theater".
Two: This man's last name is Bain. Which is also a villain from Batman (who also happened to be a character in the Dark Knight Rises)

I just thought those were pretty eerie 'coincidences.'

Yup, kind of a weird coincidences.

 

[loreta]

This fire is disturbing. How come in a convention at the Metropolis hall, a political meeting, someone is capable of starting a fire! Was not the police watching?! L'Escuade anti-émeute where was she? This is a special police branch that are always in that sort of meetings to watch if something goes wrong. So, was the man who started the fire invisible? Police is suppose to watch in front and in the rear, in case...

So this is a very curious situation that makes my nose move very hysterically.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

One: This shooting also happened "just outside of a Montreal theater".
Two: This man's last name is Bain. Which is also a villain from Batman (who also happened to be a character in the Dark Knight Rises)

I just thought those were pretty eerie 'coincidences.'

Also, in the Matrix Trilogy, there is 'Bane' which is the guy that gets 'posessed' by Smith.

Not the same name but the phonetic is close. Adds to the creepiness.

I also thought it could simply be a crazy man but apparently, he was an entrepreneur indeed.

The man was walking with a bath robe, a AK-47-like semi-automatic rifle, a 9 mm pistol and explosives. He also had a few more guns and weapons in his truck and had something like 18 more guns at home.

"The English are waking up!"

Weird indeed. I feel it could be a set-up or something in order to provoke more tension between English and French people. That has always been a crucial element in politics here used to create division from the inside. Works darn fine if you ask me.

This fire is disturbing. How come in a convention at the Metropolis hall, a political meeting, someone is capable of starting a fire! Was not the police watching?! L'Escuade anti-émeute where was she? This is a special police branch that are always in that sort of meetings to watch if something goes wrong. So, was the man who started the fire invisible? Police is suppose to watch in front and in the rear, in case...

So this is a very curious situation that makes my nose move very hysterically.

That's one ofthe crazienst thing! More so, the guy was walking with a bath robe and guns near there. How could this not be suspicious to begin with? The man who prevented him from going inside (tech guy) was killed. And the other one injurded. He made it to the back door, right behing the stage where the PM was.

Many people here are severely blaming the SQ (Sûreté du Québec) but these guys said that everything was fine and that they aren't to be blamed. Sheesh.

Now since Pauline Marois was elected, Stephen Harper and the conservative have made it very clear that they wouldn't be on her side. And other parties are also on her case. The Bill 101 (French Language Protection) and laicity chart (for the state/public services) are at the heart of the controversy.

Man, Québec is warming up. This is going to be an intense ride for sure. The wole thing smells something fierce and it's not hard to see a pattern there. It adds up to the already very present tension.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

The new government canceled the raise in school fees, which was the source on the student protestation movement that has been going on since March. At least she did what she said she would do on that matter.

We'll see. "War" is certainly not over yet for protestors in Québec.