questions about man and the universe

Roland J. Prather

Roland J. Prather

Jedi
I’m a little confused about the outer and inner circle of mans Esoteric, Mesoteric, Exoteric place and EEQT of the Universe boundary and central point. My confusion comes in the comparison, that if man is made in the image and likeness of the cosmos (or God) why would the inner esoteric circle of man being the accomplishment compared to the central point of the Universe being the chaotic state and the outer state of the Universe being the pure(knowledge) state and the outer circle of man being the chaotic(non-understanding)?
Unless these two are not to be compared in such a way I see these two seeming conflictions being the complementary between the macrocosmos of the microcosmos or the micro of the macro. That the two frictions between the Universe emanating outward gives friction to man making his way to the inner circle of the esoteric providing evolution? Like the downward rays of creation and the upward evolution of humans creates a spiral motion? Like opposites attract? If this is a correct assessment?

Here are selected excerpts:


http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=13&lsel=E
In common usage, esoteric means the inner or more advanced aspect of a spiritual teaching. Exoteric means the outer form of a teaching, one that is shown to the public. In 4th Way discourse, these terms are used in a more specific meaning.
Humankind is divided into 4 circles according to progress on the path of conscious evolution. The outer circle or exterior men corresponds to the default state of man and is not concerned with esoteric work.

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=382433458907
What we learn from EEQT can be described in simple terms as follows:

"Let us call our material universe "the system". The system is characterized by a certain "state". It is useful to represent the state of the system as a point on a disc. The central point of the disk, its origin, is the state of chaos. We could also describe it as "Infinite Potential." The points on the boundary represents "pure states" of being, that is states with "pure, non-fuzzy, knowledge". In between there are mixed states. The closer the state is to the boundary, the more pure, more ’organized’ it is." -- End quote

You see I thought the universe emanates outwards from a central gravity point or prime creator, one indivisible Atom( the binder of all living existence)? Unless I'm interpreting this from a positive science perspective and not an esoteric perspective?
 
So if I'm interpreting correctly the opposite polarities or the friction between the rays of creation emanating downwards and the evolution of man striving upwards in the process a strong connections is made and a tube or tunnel forms a spiral? So would it be correct to think of man/woman as the microcosmos of one or group of 6 DNA strands and the macrocosmos (Universe) as the second or second group of 6 strand of DNA in forming a double helix that forms a spiral?

From Gnosis, pg 236 Fig. 58
Fig 47 pg.135
 

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From Wikipedia: "The cell is the basic structural and functional unit of all known living organisms. It is the smallest unit of life that is classified as a living thing, and is often called the building block of life.

Cell theory refers to the idea that cells are the basic unit of structure in every living thing."

And within a cell lies a nucleus.
Within an Atom lies a nucleus
The central sun is our solar system all planets and dust revolves around it
Within a galaxy lies a 'nuclear bulge' of the Galactic Center. Now they say a black hole is at the center of a galaxy but this hasn't been scientifically proven. And why out of everything that has a center of giving life that a galaxy has a black hole? It stands out as being odd!
Gurdjieff speaks of a nucleus of 200 conscious beings
A mother gives birth from her womb
All planets hold a central core or magnetic core that keeps the planet alive giving birth to trillions of life forms
Man on the esoteric way is to form a magnetic center of a central I
Now why would the creator be any different, The Protocosmos ,that it is the central gravity, all that is, an indivisible Atom, stable equilibrium, core the Love that is begotten gave birth to Aghiocosmos.

I was thinking if 95-96 percent of the universe is made of something we don’t know and the 5-4 percent we only understand to 10-40percent, also given the fact that the General Law leads man astray with all kinds of illusions and the fact that the sts hierarchy hyper dimensional influence is of great manipulation and the fact that none of us have a stable “I” maybe 20 in the whole world and that’s being generous, why would EEQT be any different than the rest of the theories, it is as likely misleading as the rest, but also a high probability that it is. Although maybe less of the misleaders in discovering the true nature of the Universe and/or the Absolute.

I would be more inclined to trust the esoteric way since it has been around longer and been proven the right way towards truth.
What I’m saying is that if Gurdjieff and Gnosis speaks of a nucleus of conscious beings and that in the Gnosis; man was made in the image and likeness of God, then one must conceive that the likeness is the nucleus, then the prime creator has a nucleus or rather "is" the nucleus that emanates outwards to its rays of creation that pureness or knowledge emanates from a core and not the outer boundary; that the outer boundary is chaos loss or separated by great distance from its mother’s womb?

As a side note we are on the edge of our galaxy, I think the C’s mentioned once or somewhere I read that the wave will bring us closer to the central core of our Galaxy. And given that we are on the edge of our galaxy now we can see that life out here is of the most limited.
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But this is just a theory!
 
I think you're mixing apples and oranges. And the EEQT example of the disk is just a useful way to think about it.
 
I think you're mixing apples and oranges. And the EEQT example of the disk is just a useful way to think about it.
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What I'm saying is that the macro is the micro. Macro being complexity and not size and the micro being the simplicity. At the quatum level is complexity it’s the macrocosms. Or more accurate the sub atomic world is without time or space the complexity the macro, the infinite gives creation to the simple what we see the microcosmos.

Its misleading as far as the Disc interpretation.
 
I haven’t read the “Fifth Option” yet but but I will.
Another example of what I’m tying to get across is the age old question:
What came first the chicken or the egg? Well I would say the egg. When you look as an egg that have been boiled you see the outer shell the edge of the Universe then if you pill the shell off you see the membrane of however many layers of protection like lipid layers and inside you see the yolk the nucleus which brought forth the egg in which it will eventually crack to give a chicken. Whatever brought forth the nucleus was conceive outside of time and space. I say that this is the unknown and because it’s unknown it is a macro world or rather an infinite of consciousness that interacted with matter that gives us the Universe that we see and by our physical eyes which mislead us into thinking it to be the macrocosmos when really what we are seeing is the microcosmos the result of macroscopic complex networking from an unknown realm beyond space and time. The universe like an egg was intelligently conceived.

When you look out it is us the perceiver who only do so we are amazed/transfixed at creation while the Universe emits back at its self. To say that the Universe looks for life within itself because it cannot find life outside it's self it is contained with the rays of creation it is limited to space and time in such a way.
 
Roland JP said:
I haven’t read the “Fifth Option” yet but but I will.
Another example of what I’m tying to get across is the age old question:
What came first the chicken or the egg? Well I would say the egg.
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Again, you are just giving your opinion. You seem to post a lot of things that seem about what you think.

When you look as an egg that have been boiled you see the outer shell the edge of the Universe then if you pill the shell off you see the membrane of however many layers of protection like lipid layers and inside you see the yolk the nucleus which brought forth the egg in which it will eventually crack to give a chicken. Whatever brought forth the nucleus was conceive outside of time and space. I say that this is the unknown and because it’s unknown it is a macro world or rather an infinite of consciousness that interacted with matter that gives us the Universe that we see and by our physical eyes which mislead us into thinking it to be the macrocosmos when really what we are seeing is the microcosmos the result of macroscopic complex networking from an unknown realm beyond space and time. The universe like an egg was intelligently conceived.
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So you are just giving your opinion.

When you look out it is us the perceiver who only do so we are amazed/transfixed at creation while the Universe emits back at its self. To say that the Universe looks for life within itself because it cannot find life outside it's self it is contained with the rays of creation it is limited to space and time in such a way.
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Maybe come back and report after you've read the Fifth Option?
 
Roland JP said:
Maybe come back and report after you've read the Fifth Option?
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And give an opinion about what I read?
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Roland, we are trying to very gently point out to you that most of your posts are very hard to follow noise - and nothing more. It has been pointed out to you that you need to do more research before pontificating on subjects on which you obviously know very little. Now, since you've gotten snippy, we have to point it out to you more bluntly, in hopes that you will 'get it'.

Please do the reading that has been recommended and - after completing it - you can return to post your ideas IF you can do so in a concise and externally considerate manner. Please remember that this forum is not your personal journal and has thousands of readers every day who appreciate that the noise level be kept low. If you can't abide by the spirit of the forum, then your posting privileges will, unfortunately, be removed.
 
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