RANT-The world is leaning towards psychopathic tendancies! everywhere!

[Laurelayn]

Some days it seems everything I hear just sounds crazy! it is coming to a point where every news story I hear on the msm or forums or NPR... everywhere makes me shake my head and shout WTF?!?! How can anyone in this country (usa) not see what is going on?
Even if many are op's where the hell is the outrage over the loss of any empathy or decency toward our fellow humans! How can they not see how bad we have been ripped off and are looting and raping and pilliaging and murdering all over the bbm with everything funneling to the top?????
Is the us a concentration point on the planet for the OP's and 4d sts?
I am so damn frustrated with this situation, ultra rich wasps flying their private jets to washington to "beg" congress for BILLIONS more to bail out their failing companies?
King Henry throwing cash at his cronies while every local charity begs for donations to feed the "needy" .
Dumb asses on teevee who still defend the Iraq war by calling saddam "hitler light"!!!!
Bankers all over the planet that keep throwing paper money at the economic bonfire as if that would put it out!
Israelies turning palestine into a giant concentration camp where all will starve.
A bus full of 3rd grade school children chanting "assasinate obama"
10 milloin maniacs running out to buy guns in the last 2 weeks.
earthquakes, glaciers melting, volcanoes everywhere going off.
If this shiiet gets any crazier I am going to go dig my old boogie board out of the basement and climb up on my Idaho roof and wait for the wave.
OK, deep breath......
My greatest fear is that I will not be worthy in time to evolve and will thusly be stuck in cylic reincarnations through psychopathlandistan for thousands more years.
FWIW. I wish we could all souled humans go. since we have to deal with 4d sts might as well travel as a group. and I am assuming I am a souled human. this is all so flippin complicated sometimes! and the sense that there is little time left is overwhelming! loosing vigor and substance, it is like alzheimers is a planetary pandemic!

AAAARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

 

[Erna]

Your rant could just as well have come out of my mouth! I was watching Al Jazeera last night and thought to myself every news item is more unbelievable than fiction. I fell asleep while watching a documentary on Naples, Italy where the mafia, which they call the Camorra, basically operates with impunity. Their infiltration into that society is astonishing. All the shop owners must pay a share of their profits over to the Camorra in return for their own protection. If you don't comply, you're out of business. Not to mention the rubbish that litters the streets because of some or other municipal dispute.

The whole planet's gone to hell.

 

[DJM]

My blood is boiling as well. As things continue to spiral downward I can see the writting on the wall. My secure job of 18 years is now in jeopardy and there's a pretty good chance we are going to loose everything we own. Loosing everything doesn't bother me, wondering what we're going to do to survive does. I try not to worry and get angry but, it's very difficult with things going on. The only thing that calms me, is reading and studying the work of the C's. It takes my mind away from this world that we have created for ourselves.

 

[psychegram]

My blood is boiling as well. As things continue to spiral downward I can see the writting on the wall. My secure job of 18 years is now in jeopardy and there's a pretty good chance we are going to loose everything we own. Loosing everything doesn't bother me, wondering what we're going to do to survive does. I try not to worry and get angry but, it's very difficult with things going on. The only thing that calms me, is reading and studying the work of the C's. It takes my mind away from this world that we have created for ourselves.

There's no point in worrying about material stuff: the world's full of it, and you can take that statement either way. There's no point in worrying about death, either, as one thing you certainly don't get to choose is when it happens, and one way or another, it'll happen, eventually ... and when it does, you'll just reincarnate anyhow (and with an infinite amount of time ahead of you, one way or another, you'll reach the ultimate goal. No matter how many lifetimes it takes.)

You say your secure job is in danger, but ask yourself when is anything really secure? All is contingent, and nothing in this world is ever guaranteed. Clinging to security in any way ... that's the mantra of our civilization, isn't it? 'Drive safely!' 'Safety first!' 'You are being watched for your safety'. I could go on but I think you get the point.

The world's going crazy, yeah ... but it's always been crazy. It's all just a ride, as Bill Hicks said, so you shouldn't take it too seriously, or personally. The bad things that happen, happen in order to teach us; and there's no point in getting mad at the teacher when she tries to teach you a lesson.

 

[Craig]

There's no point in worrying about material stuff: the world's full of it, and you can take that statement either way. There's no point in worrying about death, either, as one thing you certainly don't get to choose is when it happens, and one way or another, it'll happen, eventually ... and when it does, you'll just reincarnate anyhow (and with an infinite amount of time ahead of you, one way or another, you'll reach the ultimate goal. No matter how many lifetimes it takes.)

A person has to come to their own understanding of whether there is a point or not, whether it helps or hinders them and this can change with different circumstances. Not worrying can be a symptom of not seeing, or not understanding, of perhaps reading a few new-age books and believing them to be true, or it can come from deeper insight after going through the crucible.

Going through that crucible is important.

 

[anart]

A person has to come to their own understanding of whether there is a point or not, whether it helps or hinders them and this can change with different circumstances. Not worrying can be a symptom of not seeing, or not understanding, of perhaps reading a few new-age books and believing them to be true, or it can come from deeper insight after going through the crucible.

Going through that crucible is important.

I would agree - it is part of waking up. The world has always been 'going to hell' - we're just able to see it as it is now. Plus, it's pretty easy to tell someone not to worry about losing their livelihood and all they own, when one is living with their parents in a situation that was described as:

In the end, family issues brought me back, and I've decided to stay for a while. My parents' house is basically a survivalists' dream, a much better place to ride out the storm, as it were,

Perspective. I'm not saying one should over identify with these things, but reality is reality and we're still existing in a world where suffering is the biggest part of learning.

 

[Laurelayn]

Going through that crucible is important.

and the pain should be expected when practicing discernment.
I reach points of overwhelm at times and look up and scream my outrage and then go back for more.
Reminds me of Lauras sig line....

He who learns must suffer
And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget
Falls drop by drop upon the heart,
And in our own despair, against our will,
Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.
-- Agamemnon; Aeschylus​

 

[psychegram]

Plus, it's pretty easy to tell someone not to worry about losing their livelihood and all they own, when one is living with their parents in a situation that was described as:

In the end, family issues brought me back, and I've decided to stay for a while. My parents' house is basically a survivalists' dream, a much better place to ride out the storm, as it were,

Perspective. I'm not saying one should over identify with these things, but reality is reality and we're still existing in a world where suffering is the biggest part of learning.

I won't lie, that hit a nerve. 27, unemployed and living with the folks is no man's ideal situation, and certainly not one likely to garner the respect and admiration of his peers.

I didn't come back because I had to; I'm here because I chose to be here, not because I had no other choices. I've stayed longer than originally planned because my father asked for my help building a strawbale workshop on our property, so he could expand his wood-carving business. He'd also had a brush with leukemia, just last year, and after three years away it seemed like a good opportunity to spend some time with him, especially as I wasn't sure how much more we'd get ... and now it looks like his leukemia is coming back.

The situation I'm in right now makes it easy for me to say the things I did: I have very little that I have to be personally responsible for, and even though most of my adult life was spent living on my own, I've never had to be responsible for anyone but myself. So, perhaps that makes it too easy for me? Well, maybe. Then again, most of my friends of the same age have accumulated houses, cars, furniture, and collections of stuff. Me, I've never owned anything more than I needed to fill a room, and have divested myself of virtually all of my possessions on a few occasions, when they became more a burden than blessing and it became clear others would benefit more from them. That's taught me, through experience and observation, that there's a lot more to life than the stuff you own, so:

A person has to come to their own understanding of whether there is a point or not, whether it helps or hinders them and this can change with different circumstances. Not worrying can be a symptom of not seeing, or not understanding, of perhaps reading a few new-age books and believing them to be true, or it can come from deeper insight after going through the crucible.

What I said didn't come from stuff I've read - though I have read things that talk about that. Not so much New Age (I've read very little of that genre). Reading Laura's work, as well as other thinkers such as Eisenstein, Les Visible, and texts such as the Bhagavad Gita or the Book of Tao, have helped crystallize it, but the essential realization was, as I said, through personal experience and observation.

Going through that crucible is important.

It absolutely is. Not just once or twice but many, many times. I'm yet young, and have only passed through a few times. I know I have a long way to go; I also know that the world is as it is, to provide such a crucible.

Knowing that doesn't make passing through it any easier.

Reading over my first reply and this one, I can see I came off as callous in the first and self-important in the second. I considered erasing it all but that wouldn't have been honest. Anyhow, callousness was not my intention - though the overzealous piety of the novice certainly made it seem so - and I apologize for that. I was trying to help ... but then it was unasked for, wasn't it? And thus STS.

 

[anart]

I won't lie, that hit a nerve. 27, unemployed and living with the folks is no man's ideal situation, and certainly not one likely to garner the respect and admiration of his peers.

This is interesting, because what was written was done so solely to point out that you were not being compassionate or empathetic - you were not putting yourself into the shoes of another to see how they might feel.  It has nothing at all to do with denigrating where you are in life.  The fact that it 'hit a nerve', and that you went into a lengthy explanation of why you are where you are would indicate that you do, in fact, identify quite strongly with 'material considerations' - thus your previous post would be a small case of 'protesting too much'.  It's another opportunity to glimpse how many 'little i's there are in there, each acting on their own.

Denigrating where you right now was not the point at all.  There is nothing wrong at all - in any way shape or form - with anyone living with their parents.  So, it's an interesting insight into - perhaps - some of the lies you tell yourself about how 'ok' you are with it.  Or, perhaps more accurately, how easily your false personality comes to arms when it feels 'insulted' - when the real you probably cares very little.  Yet another case of assuming others mean what your predator is whispering into your ear?

The situation I'm in right now makes it easy for me to say the things I did: I have very little that I have to be personally responsible for, and even though most of my adult life was spent living on my own, I've never had to be responsible for anyone but myself

And that was the entire point - you are making statements blindly - without seeing the greater context, without considering that your perspective is not complete. 

Learning is fun. ;)

 

[Craig]

And that was the entire point - you are making statements blindly - without seeing the greater context, without considering that your perspective is not complete.

In essence, it was the remarks on reincarnation and death that struck me as very flippant and superficial. There is no doubt in my mind that the texts you referenced could resonate and allow glimpses of higher understanding to trickle through; but they'll remain glimpses as long as you haven't prepared the vessel down here. One aspect of that - as I've recently begun to discover - is facing the reality of death.

Gurdjieff said in Beelzebub's Tales how bizarre and disturbing it is that somebody could be so frightened of a tiny little mouse yet have little to no reaction at the thought of their impending doom. That is being in denial, and it really sums up a lot of our problems.

He seemed in the end to conclude that only a constant remembrance of death - our own and that around us - would enable us to come close to awakening. Telling somebody not to worry about it, and instead think about the "fact" that we'll be reincarnated anyway (which is a whole other can of worms in itself)... I don't know, it just seemed like it lacked any real understanding and was in fact an avoidance and escapism back into denial.

 

[psychegram]

Yet another case of assuming others mean what your predator is whispering into your ear?

The emotional reaction I was experiencing - going on the defensive like that - well, yes, absolutely. Tricky beasts, those predators.

The situation I'm in right now makes it easy for me to say the things I did: I have very little that I have to be personally responsible for, and even though most of my adult life was spent living on my own, I've never had to be responsible for anyone but myself

And that was the entire point - you are making statements blindly - without seeing the greater context, without considering that your perspective is not complete.

Learning is fun. ;)

Though it rarely seems fun at the time :(

Which is part of the lesson, I suppose :s

In essence, it was the remarks on reincarnation and death that struck me as very flippant and superficial. There is no doubt in my mind that the texts you referenced could resonate and allow glimpses of higher understanding to trickle through; but they'll remain glimpses as long as you haven't prepared the vessel down here. One aspect of that - as I've recently begun to discover - is facing the reality of death.

Gurdjieff said in Beelzebub's Tales how bizarre and disturbing it is that somebody could be so frightened of a tiny little mouse yet have little to no reaction at the thought of their impending doom. That is being in denial, and it really sums up a lot of our problems.

He seemed in the end to conclude that only a constant remembrance of death - our own and that around us - would enable us to come close to awakening. Telling somebody not to worry about it, and instead think about the "fact" that we'll be reincarnated anyway (which is a whole other can of worms in itself)... I don't know, it just seemed like it lacked any real understanding and was in fact an avoidance and escapism back into denial.

Now that's interesting. Most people tend to take such texts and use it as an excuse not to worry, a habit I'll admit I've been falling into myself. Keeping it front and center like that ... that's a much more difficult thing to do. And, yes, much more effective. Thank you for the reminder.

 

[Tigersoap]

He seemed in the end to conclude that only a constant remembrance of death - our own and that around us - would enable us to come close to awakening. Telling somebody not to worry about it, and instead think about the "fact" that we'll be reincarnated anyway (which is a whole other can of worms in itself)... I don't know, it just seemed like it lacked any real understanding and was in fact an avoidance and escapism back into denial.

I think it is a bit more ambiguous than that, as the realization that we all face death and decay will come as big awakening shock, we have to remember at the same time that we are alive, that it is part of a larger whole of death and rebirths.
It seems to me that by holding the two poles in the same realization is closer to reality as it is than to make the balance one way (all is good, we live forever) or the other (all is doomed, we all die.) osit.

 

[DJM]

My blood is boiling as well. As things continue to spiral downward I can see the writing on the wall. My secure job of 18 years is now in jeopardy and there's a pretty good chance we are going to loose everything we own. Loosing everything doesn't bother me, wondering what we're going to do to survive does. I try not to worry and get angry but, it's very difficult with things going on. The only thing that calms me, is reading and studying the work of the C's. It takes my mind away from this world that we have created for ourselves.

There's no point in worrying about material stuff: the world's full of it, and you can take that statement either way. There's no point in worrying about death, either, as one thing you certainly don't get to choose is when it happens, and one way or another, it'll happen, eventually ... and when it does, you'll just reincarnate anyhow (and with an infinite amount of time ahead of you, one way or another, you'll reach the ultimate goal. No matter how many lifetimes it takes.)

You say your secure job is in danger, but ask yourself when is anything really secure? All is contingent, and nothing in this world is ever guaranteed. Clinging to security in any way ... that's the mantra of our civilization, isn't it? 'Drive safely!' 'Safety first!' 'You are being watched for your safety'. I could go on but I think you get the point.

The world's going crazy, yeah ... but it's always been crazy. It's all just a ride, as Bill Hicks said, so you shouldn't take it too seriously, or personally. The bad things that happen, happen in order to teach us; and there's no point in getting mad at the teacher when she tries to teach you a lesson.

In times like this, feeling of despair and anger is normal (IMO). I work hard to provide for my family and I take responsibility for their welfare. When things go down the toilet, it makes my feel like a failure, like I have let them down. IMO anger is justified because, the rich are getting richer while the rest of us slaves have to struggle more to survive. I suppose it's best to take each day as it comes, otherwise I'll drive myself nuts. I still have much to learn about myself and this world. Being here reading and working brings me that much closer with each visit.

 

[Craig]

He seemed in the end to conclude that only a constant remembrance of death - our own and that around us - would enable us to come close to awakening. Telling somebody not to worry about it, and instead think about the "fact" that we'll be reincarnated anyway (which is a whole other can of worms in itself)... I don't know, it just seemed like it lacked any real understanding and was in fact an avoidance and escapism back into denial.

I think it is a bit more ambiguous than that, as the realization that we all face death and decay will come as big awakening shock, we have to remember at the same time that we are alive, that it is part of a larger whole of death and rebirths. It seems to me that by holding the two poles in the same realization is closer to reality as it is than to make the balance one way (all is good, we live forever) or the other (all is doomed, we all die.) osit.

Absolutely. Hopefully by striking that balance: of the inevitability of death, but also the chance of life, we go deeper into a more humble, conscientious and focused place.

 

[psychegram]

In times like this, feeling of despair and anger is normal (IMO). I work hard to provide for my family and I take responsibility for their welfare. When things go down the toilet, it makes my feel like a failure, like I have let them down. IMO anger is justified because, the rich are getting richer while the rest of us slaves have to struggle more to survive. I suppose it's best to take each day as it comes, otherwise I'll drive myself nuts. I still have much to learn about myself and this world. Being here reading and working brings me that much closer with each visit.

You're certainly not wrong to feel that way. I too struggle with rage at the way we've been disenfranchised ... unlike you, I don't have to worry about being able to support my family (my parents and siblings are quite able to support themselves), but I do worry about whether or not I'll be able to support myself. The economy's circling the toilet bowl and it's an open question whether or not I'll be able to find any sort of decent employment ... unless I abandon my better judgment and go for my commission in the Canadian Forces (as my father, a career military man, has been suggesting recently.) It's hard not to feel that the best years and opportunities of my life are behind me, have in fact been stolen from me ... and in your situation, with a longer career and greater responsibilities, that can only be intensified.

Your anger is absolutely justified. You've been sold a fake bill of goods, and it's only natural to be enraged now that you've figured out the deception. The question, for all of us, is what do we do with that rage?

He seemed in the end to conclude that only a constant remembrance of death - our own and that around us - would enable us to come close to awakening. Telling somebody not to worry about it, and instead think about the "fact" that we'll be reincarnated anyway (which is a whole other can of worms in itself)... I don't know, it just seemed like it lacked any real understanding and was in fact an avoidance and escapism back into denial.

I think it is a bit more ambiguous than that, as the realization that we all face death and decay will come as big awakening shock, we have to remember at the same time that we are alive, that it is part of a larger whole of death and rebirths. It seems to me that by holding the two poles in the same realization is closer to reality as it is than to make the balance one way (all is good, we live forever) or the other (all is doomed, we all die.) osit.

Absolutely. Hopefully by striking that balance: of the inevitability of death, but also the chance of life, we go deeper into a more humble, conscientious and focused place.

In the Wave, I remember Laura talking about how she started to look at things and try to be simultaneously conscious of both the light and dark aspects; to (I quote from memory) look at a beautiful mountain lake, and see the disease organisms multiplying beneath it. The resulting psychic tension was quite fruitful.

Perhaps the situation is similar, here, with the anger issue? We've been lied to, abused, robbed, and victimized in a number of ways. Rage is natural. So is fear: for many of us, we're waking up to all of this only because of the impending collapse. But collapse can also be an opportunity for real change and spiritual growth. Simultaneous consciousness of two opposites - death and life, anxiety and hope - has to be more effective than focusing only on one or the other, which will either open one to deception (if only the positive is seen) or lead to paralysis (if only the negative is perceived.)