Reading the psychopath's mind: 'we are the only ones who are free'

During a web search on psychopaths, I encountered some striking insight how they perceive their counterparts. A computer science professor posted the following on her blog:

I recently finished reading Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us by Robert Hare. As the title suggests, psychopaths are qualitatively different from other people, literally having no conscience. The book (and another on the subject, The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout) convinced me that this difference really exists. Before that, I assumed that all people who behaved differently from me just had different values or loyalties.
Then, months later, someone dropped the following comment (emphasis mine):

As difficult as it may be, I will try to write this with some civility. I suggest to you that psychopaths are not the maniacs that the media projects. Perhaps these select few pocess a gift, not a curse. If the whole world consisted only of psychopaths it could be a better world. Sure it would be a heartless, cold world, but it would be an efficient one. A world free of the calousness of love and most importantly, free of regret. It could be a cool efficient world, to bad that these individuals are outcast for their freedom from the ability to feel. But, I am undeniably biased as I am a psychopath myself, but my opinion still has merit, I say that I and all others like me are not maniacs, we are the only ones who are free.

http://www(dot)beyondsatire.us/?q=node/173
The shameless 'honesty' of this person is astonishing. No doubt we are dealing with psychpoathy at its core. Conscience is simply put down as a disability, in combination with a creepy use of the term freedom (where did we see that before).

The above statement made me wonder: what would a world full of psychopaths REALLY look like? would it even be viable? Feeding upon themselves might be quite different from, so to speak, fishing the abundant 95% pond. Any thoughts?
 
To consider what things would be like 'the other way around' is to over-compensate for something which isn't actually there and thus attribute credibility to the STS worldview. Ironically, you've fallen under the guy's comment you quoted's spell: you are actually considering what he is saying :)
 
starsailor said:
To consider what things would be like 'the other way around' is to over-compensate for something which isn't actually there and thus attribute credibility to the STS worldview. Ironically, you've fallen under the guy's comment you quoted's spell: you are actually considering what he is saying :)
Just a note that we are all STS - this is an STS world, so it needs no 'credibility' - it just is. Yes, psychopaths are STS, but so are non-psychopaths - at least in this STS realm.
 
Anart, thanks for pointing that out. Starsailor, if we want to learn about psychopaths, we actually MUST consider what they are saying ;)

As the C's emphasize that the "Future is Open", I guess everything is possible, how improbable it may seem.

Nevertheless, my question was purely hypothetical and might have been more appropriate in the Tickle Me forum.
 
we are the only ones who are free.
Finally somebody who understands the true meaning of the American Dream and the real promise of Capitalism, freedom, just as he defines it!

But of course this is a typical argument. Psychopaths are free because they are not hampered by the obligation and limitations that empathy forces upon people. It forces you to think of others, not just yourself, clearly limiting your freedom to do everything you want.

Just for kicks I'll present an argument to consider. Those with empathy can choose to ignore their empathy (as many are) and act psychopathically anyway - empathy does not absolutely force you to obey it anymore than having sexual desire forces you to have sex. Those who have empathy can also choose to listen to the advice of their conscience - so they can go either way, they have a choice to be STO or STS. Psychopaths don't have that choice, they have no conscience and so are stuck only being psychopath, only with STS. So just realizing that and ignoring everything else it becomes obvious that psychopaths in fact have less freedom, less choice.

To slightly expand on this though, psychopaths are also stuck acting out of their desire. They cannot ever be free from self-centered desire. Because that is the only possible reason for them to do anything, other than pure programming that is. This actually means that they will never ever be satisfied. As long as desire exists, we are never happy, never content with what we have, we always want something more, and are always afraid to lose what we have. But eppathy, and by extension STO, provides the possibility of doing things out of something other than simply desire. This means that it provides the possibility of actually being happy because of NOT wanting "more and more", and NOT being afraid of losing anything. If you have nothing, you have nothing to lose. If you want nothing, then your happiness is not dependent on anything outside yourself, period. And one reason this is important is because being content with what IS as it is allows exactly that which this psychopath speaks of - freedom.

Only STO can build a civilization based on mutual harmony, and not a control hierarchy. STS is stuck with control hierarchies - the stronger/smarter always control weaker/dumber. So in fact, that is a major external reason that psychopaths and STS in general cannot have freedom. They are always subordinate as they are always in a hierarchy of control, because control is all that gives any reason or meaning to psychopaths and STS in general - aka, the aforementioned desire. :rolleyes:
 
salleles said:
Anart, thanks for pointing that out. Starsailor, if we want to learn about psychopaths, we actually MUST consider what they are saying ;)

As the C's emphasize that the "Future is Open", I guess everything is possible, how improbable it may seem.

Nevertheless, my question was purely hypothetical and might have been more appropriate in the Tickle Me forum.
Yup, totally. Am gorging on books about psychopathy just now! Didn't mean to put down your exercise in 'thinking as they do'. I must contribute more a la SAO!
 
salleles said:
The above statement made me wonder: what would a world full of psychopaths REALLY look like? would it even be viable? Feeding upon themselves might be quite different from, so to speak, fishing the abundant 95% pond. Any thoughts?
What happens when each cell on our body tries to eat another cell?. Organism dies. so does the sentinent planet that holds cells called 'Humans'.

What about asteroid belt as C's mentioned

Q: (L) You said the other night that there was a planet between Mars and Jupiter that was destroyed and became the asteroid belt. Was this planet ever inhabited by sentient beings?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What caused this planet to be destroyed?
A: Psychic energy.

Q: (L) The planet that was destroyed between Jupiter and Mars, you said was destroyed by psychic energy?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What was the source of this psychic energy?
A: Beings inhabiting the planet.

Q: (L) Do beings in this area of the galaxy just sort of destroy their planets from time to time? Is this getting to be a habit?
A: Close. Has been.
 

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