Really Confused here.... what's going on???

[fabric]

I wasn't sure where to post this so I'm putting here since its on my mind (and I didn't want to digress from the topic in thread). I was reading the thread "Turkeys are our friends" where Laura posted a link to the Cass article devoted to health/diet questions The Cassiopaeans Answer Diet and Health Related Questions.

She also quoted from the C's:

Q: (S) There is another question, if I get this house, I noticed that there were bugs. I don't like bugs. At an earlier session you talked about an automatic bug zapper. I know it is not harmful to humans. But, I have a cat and I may be getting a dog. Are they more susceptible to this frequency of this device? Will it affect their nervous system in the long run, or mine, or anyone elses?

A: Please be aware that in the state of being that you currently occupy, and in the environment in which you currently reside, as third density beings, there are many environmental stresses upon your physical being, which you often overlook. And, focus on any particular one is rather pointless without focusing on the remainder. So, therefore, perhaps it is wise not to focus on any at all unless you wish to choose the other path, which is to attempt to focus on all, and this can be most difficult. So, as you are zeroing in, as it were, on one area, such as electronic anti-pest devices, is understandable, but rather futile unless you also wish to focus on food intake, smoking, the pollutants of mechanical devices, of sunlight, the thinning of the ozone, vibrations from sound pollution and a myriad of other consequences that you normally overlook and put out of your mind. It is not necessary to become worried about any given environmental occurrence.

Ok, so my question is this; in the article that talks about diet and health questions, the same answer is given in response to a question towards the end. Well, its almost the same with a few minor changes:

08-05-95

[...]

Q: (L) Are you saying that it is almost impossible to get anything that is good or useful in this environment? Are there no "good guys" out there putting things out that are good for us?

A: What do you think?

Q: (L) I certainly hope so!

A: Remember, for quite some period of time now, as you measure time, we have tried to inform you to the effect that your third density environment has been completely controlled and will be controlled by forces that seek only to serve themselves for a period, as you would measure time, exceeding 309,000 years. And, many, many times in your current life existence, you have reflected upon the questions involving the beneficial or otherwise existence of individuals, or an individual IN this environment, the pros and cons of continuing such existence, and what is involved with it. And, you have correctly perceived the conclusion that this is, primarily, a negative experience. But, not that good things do not come from a negative experience, but that the basic indicator that it is a negative experience, should also indicate to you that it is an experience related to a chain of command involving Service to Self. And, therefore, Service to Self is a manipulative action rather than a openly beneficial action. It is a withdrawing and taking motion rather than an expanding motion. And these statements can answer for you, not only simple questions about one chemical compound, but the very nature of your existence to begin with as well.

Q: (L) This leads to a couple of our other questions. What is the criteria to be a 4th density candidate?

A: There is no criteria. A criteria implies a judgment system which implies that an individual or individuals are watching over the progress of other individuals. It is merely part of the natural process of learning, which you are in total control of from beginning to end, in one sense. In that sense, you choose to be in the environment you are in, which does not indicate any recommendation of the environment by any higher source, or, conversely, any condemnation of the environment by any higher source, but merely the existence of the environment and your choice to exist within it. Therefore, being a candidate merely means that you have chosen to be a candidate for ANY level of density, be it first, second, etc. It is a choice of the self to continue that learning pathway.


Please be aware that in the state of being that you currently occupy, and in the environment in which you currently reside, as third density beings, there are many environmental stresses upon your physical being, which you often overlook. And, focus on any particular one is rather pointless without focusing on the remainder. So, therefore, perhaps it is wise not to focus on any at all unless you wish to choose the other path, which is to attempt to focus on all, and this can be most difficult. So, as you are zeroing in, as it were, on one area, it is understandable, but rather futile unless you also wish to focus on food intake, smoking contaminated tobacco products, the pollutants of mechanical devices, of sunlight, the thinning of the ozone, vibrations from sound pollution and a myriad of other consequences that you normally overlook and put out of your mind. It is not necessary to become worried about any given environmental occurrence. Focus on the soul. It is the soul that matters, not the body. Do what is comfortable to make yourselves function at optimum with the least amount of time and effort, and concentrate on gaining and gathering knowledge and enhancing awareness.

The reason for the lengthy answer is to stimulate reflection on a wider range of subjects of a similar nature, rather than just a simple answer to a single question.

Since it was fairly long I was confused as to why they'd repeat so I checked the transcripts and the actual answer to that question was:

08-08-95

[...]

Q: (L) This leads to a couple of our other questions. What is the criteria to be a 4th density candidate?

A: There is no criteria. A criteria implies a judgment system which implies that an individual or individuals are watching over the progress of other individuals. It is merely part of the natural process of learning, which you are in total control of from beginning to end, in one sense. In that sense,you choose to be in the environment you are in, which does not indicate any recommendation of the environment by any higher source, or, conversely, any condemnation of the environment by any higher source, but merely the existence of the environment and your choice to exist within it. Therefore, being a candidate merely means that you have chosen to be a candidate for ANY level of density, be it first, second, etc. It is a choice of the self to continue that learning pathway.

[below is the rest of it]

Q: (L) Okay, the question has arisen: at the time of the transition to 4th density, is there going to be any assistance to those who are newly arrived in that density, or does the knowledge of that density
come automatically?

A: Neither. When one arrives in 4th density, it is one's choice to find one's way just as it is in the other densities. There is no one waiting there to assist you. That would be an illusion. It is you assisting yourself as you choose to do it, the way you choose to do it.

Q: (L) There was a discussion the other day and it made me curious. It seems that some people simply do not have the capacity to understand certain concepts. Is this a function of vibrational frequency?

A: That is not quite hitting at the subject matter in the way in which you desire to answer the question. In other words, it is a parallel understanding pattern. It is not vibrational frequency that determines ability to conceive of any particular notion. Vibrational frequency involves the groove, or pattern, that one has chosen in general terms. But, to give you an example, there are those who are of very LOW, as you would measure, vibrational frequency, who are able to conceive of extremely complicated issues and have also discovered extremely precise, complicated, and intricate answers to very complex notions and problems from your standpoint in the illusion. But, the frequency vibrational level has more to do with the emotional path that leads either to service to Self at its greatest possible expression, or Service to Others at its greatest possible expression, not with intellectual capacity. So it is possible for a completely STS individual at any density level to be completely cognizant of all existence, just as it is possible for a completely STO individual to be completely cognizant of all existence. It has nothing to do with vibrational frequency because that is the emotional pathway.

[...]

I kept reading that section and arrived at the first part quoted "Please be aware that in the state of being that you currently occupy..."

So it seems that it was just simply missing an ellipse (elipse = [...] ). But when I compare the diet article with the excerpt by Laura, the original one says:

ORIGINAL (from transcripts):

So, as you are zeroing in, as it were, on one area, such as electronic anti-pest devices, is understandable, but rather futile unless you also wish to focus on food intake, smoking, the pollutants of mechanical devices, of sunlight, the thinning of the ozone, vibrations from sound pollution and a myriad of other consequences that you normally overlook and put out of your mind. It is not necessary to become worried about any given environmental occurrence.


ADDED SECTION (from diet article):

So, as you are zeroing in, as it were,on one area,it is understandable, but rather futile unless you also wish to focus on food intake, smoking contaminated tobacco products, the pollutants of mechanical devices, of sunlight, the thinning of the ozone, vibrations from sound pollution and a myriad of other consequences that you normally overlook and put out of your mind. It is not necessary to become worried about any given environmental occurrence. Focus on the soul. It is the soul that matters, not the body. Do what is comfortable to make yourselves function at optimum with the least amount of time and effort, and concentrate on gaining and gathering knowledge and enhancing awareness.

The reason for the lengthy answer is to stimulate reflection on a wider range of subjects of a similar nature, rather than just a simple answer to a single question.

The section in red is what makes me really confused!! I did a search and cannot find this section in any of the transcripts that I have. If someone can find it and post it in context that would be great! Otherwise, I'm not sure where it's coming from and if they really did say that? I don't know what to make of it, but the devil is in the details, and that seems pretty strange to me. Help anyone?

 

[ark]

The section in red is what makes me really confused!! I did a search and cannot find this section in any of the transcripts that I have. If someone can find it and post it in context that would be great! Otherwise, I'm not sure where it's coming from and if they really did say that? I don't know what to make of it, but the devil is in the details, and that seems pretty strange to me. Help anyone?

You say "they really say it". You are assuming here that there are "they"? But are there "they"? This alone is an assumption.
Now:

"It is the soul that matters, not body" is in 98-07-25

"But the reason for the lengthy answer is to stimulate reflection on a wider range of subjects of a similar nature, rather than just a simple answer to a single question." is from 95-08-05

The stuff about gaining and gathering knowledge appears for instance in 98-10-03 and several other sessions.

So, the diet article contains a compilation from different sessions, with added material, but what is important is not which sessions is taken which part, and how it is put together, but whether the content of the article makes sense or not.

Also, it is worthwhile to remember that the "C's communications" must not be taken as providing you with "information", though they may provide some of us with "inspiration" for our own research.

 

[Laura]

See here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/waveindex.htm

where it says:

I began writing the Wave Series and other articles as a way of collecting excerpts together in general subjects. As I did this, a truly extraordinary thing began to happen. The Cassiopaean Experiment had resulted in transmissions from myself "in the future," and I realized that by doing the suggested research, by digging for the answers based on the clues given me, I was BECOMING myself in the future - a cosmic self. I began to see what I had been trying to convey to myself from this superconscious state. The years of experimental work had created a new circuit wherin it was possible to simply ask a question in my mind about the subject at hand, and the answer would flow through my fingers onto the keyboard. I was often as amazed at what came out as anyone. I asked the C's (myself in the future) about it in the September 23rd, 2000 session, and here was what they said:

Q: I have to say that the writing of this series has been one of the most educational projects I have ever undertaken. Because, in the writing, I have had to comb through the transcripts and have had to explain it to other people and before I can do that, I have to explain it to myself. It has become a profound mind expansion thing...
A: Good.
Q: It's almost as much fun to be learning the things I am having to assemble as if I were reading it. And I'm the one writing it. It's really quite amazing.
A: In part you are.

[...]

So it seems that, by this time, I was truly merging with "Myself in the Future" and I had direct access to this awareness through my writing, showing me how to assemble and edit the material together after I had made such a mess of it in the original question and answer phase. It was as though the long period of working with the board had developed a circuit that bypassed my conscious mind and worked directly through my hands.

When I am working on any particular piece, I ALWAYS keep in mind the audience and that MOST people simply do not have the time or persistence or even the inclination to comb through the transcripts to try to connect the dots. Not only that, they do not have any context of what was going on in between sessions as I followed the clues and research directions given by the C's. Quite often, I will edit out the tedious exchanges which were part of MY specific learning process - learning to ask without anticipation - as well as the long periods between one question on a particular subject and the next time that subject was addressed, and stitch the related answers together into a coherent whole for the reader. On top of that, as I mentioned above, at any given point when I am addressing any question from readers that comes in a particular context, and I am begin to search the transcripts to find all the related excerpts to stitch together, issues of clarity come up as questions in my own mind. At that point, when "the question is asked," more information will begin to flow as a form of automatic writing. Sometimes, of course, this occurs in response to a specific question from a specific individual and the answer for that specific individual may vary from the answer to another specific individual regarding a related question. Later, of course, I will put all of it together in a single article with the results you have noted above.

Keep in mind that, for a very, very long time I was simply answering many individual questions for people via email; it was only later that I decided that I needed to put these answers up as articles so that I could have a life outside of answering questions!

There is another issue that you may wish to consider which is discussed here:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/swerdlow.htm

with very important considerations here:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/swerdlow2.htm

After you read the above, you may understand why there are some glitches in SOME sessions (not a lot) and until I have the time to go through each of them line by line with the tape running to double check, the absolute reliability of them cannot be guaranteed. It was only after some time had passed that I really became aware of this problem and came to the realization that those instances where my memory of the session was at odds with the transcript, usually it was due to transcriptional errors from "helpers." Fortunately, there are only a couple dozen tapes that were transcribed by others. Yes, this ends up putting a huge burden on me to have to take out the time to go through everything and verify it and frankly, I do not have the time. As the C's pointed out, the point of the communication was to teach me - to open up the circuit in my own system - so that I could write and teach others; much of the communication was never intended to be a universal dialog that was specifically applicable to everyone. That function was activated in me as I merged with "myself in the future." As I wrote in the article linked above:

I have had to work very hard, to study, to develop, to expand my knowledge base of the "language" I am attempting to translate. I'm not perfect - no one is - but I give it my best, and I submit myself to the network to catch errors. When some new data comes in and suggests that changes are necessary, I am willing to make those changes. I don't feel that I have to be "right" all the time, and I certainly do not insist that "just because the C's said it, it must be so." In fact, as I have often said, if the C's say it, it needs to be checked.

Translators must be trained; they must not only know the other language, they must know how to regulate the degree of fidelity with the source text, how to tell what degree and type of fidelity is appropriate in specific use contexts, how to receive and deliver translations, how to find help with terminology, and so on. All of this suggests a long period of training and preparation. A Translator channel is someone who has studied these things, who knows these things, and who, most importantly, governs their channeling-translating behavior in terms of this knowledge. This knowledge is ideological. It is controlled by Cosmic ideological norms.

To know, via reason, what those Cosmic norms prescribe and act upon them is to submit to the original intent. To become a translator-channel of truly Higher Cosmic Consciousness is to be hailed as a translator by the "invisible hand" of the Universe.

If you want to become a translator-channel, you must submit to the translator's role of learning the language in an expert way; you must submit to being directed by what the Cosmic ideological norms inform you is the true spirit of the source author, and to convey that spirit unchanged to the target language.

I have certainly had to deal with the fact that, in the early days of the C's experiment, I, too, had assumptions that had to be laid aside, and most definitely, in my particular case, this very well may have influenced the "translation." I have endeavored to correct these errors, to restore the true spirit of the source author. That is my job as the translator of the material, as the presenter of the information to the "target audience." And I will continue to do it as I see fit, as I am directed to do by the "invisible hand" of the Universe.

 

[Z...]

I guess I should begin by saying that I normally have a problem with chanelled material, there is always element of reservation and disbelief. Initially this wasnt different with CS's, but unlike with any other case before as the things started to unfold my reservations started to crumble.
I think the key element here is the fact tha Laura and others were always totally open about their methods of chanelling.

The other thing is that after the info is received it is not taken as a holly scripture but only as a base for serious and long research.


Now I wanted to mention something else since we are talking about the methods employed by CS chanellers.

While ago it happened that I was directed to this forum called Noble Realms by someone who was trying to discredit Laura and the whole QFS with feeble arguments. I am moderating the forum in yugoslav languages dealing with methaphyisical issues. Thanks to this website and forum I actually first discovered CS teachings.
In any case we have a fair load of people there who appear to have only one mission . So it happened that someone mentioned Noble Realms and I followed the link to see what 's this all about. I noticed there were a few threads dedicated exclusively to Laura, Ark or CS's and most of them are not even worthy of comment. But one of the comments I found was a real jewel indeed. I hope I manage to find it now so I can copy it below.
It was written by this member who evidently for some reason holds the grudge against Ark, Laura and QFS. This has tinted most of her posts but still it appears she didnt succumb completely to her lower emotional centers.
So in one of such moments she gave detailed account of one of the sessions of CS chanelling, which is I think very important because it comes straight from the mouth of Laura's "adversary",
here it goes...

Well, here is my 2 cents:

I've attended a session of the C's in Laura's home, and I have to say, it was quite impressive. I don't say this to "convert" anybody, I'm just offering up my perspective on the matter and what I've experienced as far as the material goes, and the nature of how it is / was obtained. Unless you see it happening, there's no way for anybody to truly appreciate it. For the record, Laura doesn't "trance channel" the material like most other channeling is done, ie, Barbara Marciniak, the Seth Material, Ra, The Pleiedians, etc. etc. Trance channeling involves the host body relinquishing themselves to some outside entity who "takes over" the body for a period of time and talks through them. In that sense, it really can be open to the host's imagination; they could really just be tapping into information they already know on a subconscious level and speaking freely now that the walls are down. The C's material is obtained in a very different way:

- It uses/used a ouija board, not trance channeling;
- There are / was always someone else on the planchette besides Laura;
- There are always multiple witnesses present in the room, including transcribers;
- Nearly all of the sessions were tape recorded, save for the occasional session where something went haywire with the recorder;
- The planchette moves very quickly around the glass topped ouija board, as Laura or the other planchette holder calls out the letters that come out one at a time, often times rapid fire. The transcriberS, plural, in turn write the letters down on a notebook as they're called out; This happens so quickly that not only do Laura and the other planchette person not actually know what words the letters form, but either do the transcribers! After an answer comes out, sometimes paragraphs long, the job is to now go back and figure out the spaces between words. So, if the answers are all just Laura's wild imagination, then damn, that's quite an amazing set up. SHE doesn't even know what the answers are when they first come out.

As someone who's helped with the transcribing that time we visited, let me tell you.......it's such a cool feeling to see that each and every time the answers coming out are very coherant. You look at the page of letters and it LOOKS like it'll be gibberish, and you think there's no way it'll work out to be anything meaningful. But it does, every time.

And as far as whether it's all the work of any overactive imagination.......again, when you see it in person being done, it'll change your view. For it to be imagination would mean both planchette people would have to already have the answers memorized or agreed upon to make the planchette go to the letters in unison. And considering the lengthy answers....hmmm, I'd love to know how they manage to coordinate and memorize everything so well. And considering that the sessions are spontaneous and there are no pre-planned questions, and others in the room are free to chime in with questions and comnments on the spot also means there's no way the answers are pre-arranged.

Another interesting point is that the answers are oftentimes not what Laura or anybody in the room actually expected. If the disbelievers combed through the transcripts, they'll find many an instance of Laura or others debating / arguing points with the C's.

As far as who the C's actually are.....that remains to be seen. I just know what I saw, and that there's no logical explanation for it, no way to disprove that there is SOMETHING coming through that planchette, other than Laura's imagination. It's something, that's for sure. I still don't know whether to believe it's actually "6th Density STO", but whatever it is, I like their answers, comments, advise and perspective on things. It resonates with me.

On a sidenote: I used to think it was difficult to read the transcripts too, but once you learn the format set up, it's quite easy actually. You just have to get used to the whole "Q" and "A" and first initials in parenthesis thing.

 

[fabric]

Hi,

Deckard,

I just wanna be clear that intent in this case was just clarification, not to try to "discredit" anyone. I've read the a lot of the material on the website and one of the things that is emphasized is "thinking with a hammer" and try to pay attention to details. In this case this particular detail sorta stuck out at me and kind of threw me of since for the most part there is consistency in the material and that was the first time I've come across anything....sorta threw me in a loop.

I've no doubt they were able to get letters really fast with a good link. I've used a ouija bored when I was younger (I know better than to mess with it now unless one knows what their doing) and at times we find a strong dead dude and the planchette would move rather quick, so I can imagine what the C's transmissions were like. Anyhow, as I mentioned, I was confused and it kept nagging me so I had to ask.

Hi Laura,

I think I understand what you mean. When viewed through the perspective of being a sort of translator for the material, I can see why you wrote it that way. What you say here sums it up perfectly:

[...] Quite often, I will edit out the tedious exchanges which were part of MY specific learning process - learning to ask without anticipation - as well as the long periods between one question on a particular subject and the next time that subject was addressed, and stitch the related answers together into a coherent whole for the reader. On top of that, as I mentioned above, at any given point when I am addressing any question from readers that comes in a particular context, and I am begin to search the transcripts to find all the related excerpts to stitch together, issues of clarity come up as questions in my own mind. At that point, when "the question is asked," more information will begin to flow as a form of automatic writing.

And that's why I was reading what I was reading. Thank you for clarifying.

Hi Ark,

lol... yes, you are right, it is an assumption. I took a look and those quotes you mentioned are scattered throughout and sometimes even more than once. So yes, really, it is whether the content makes sense overall.

Also, it is worthwhile to remember that the "C's communications" must not be taken as providing you with "information", though they may provide some of us with "inspiration" for our own research.

ahhh...perhaps this is what I was doing wrong, taking it as 'information' and not inspiration.

 

[Z...]

Hi kkrush
I am sorry and maybe I should clarify ,

I can see how can my post be understood in such way, but that was the least of my intentions.

I was mainly following my train of thoughts and I rembered all my doubts when I first encountered this material, I also remebered the feeling I had when I first read the post I quoted and I said this has to be important for others to see. ( notice how many I there is in this few sentences)

It was also appropriate for this topic as it is very illustrative of the whole process of CS chanelling.


there is nothing wrong with asking whenever in doubt, thats the whole purpose of this forum.