Regarding Supplements and limited options to diet

[Perri475]

I tried searching the thread for answers, but I couldn't find any! And I prefer to look at advice from people following the diets practiced on this forum. I feel that with my given history (as provided below, I'll try to keep it short!) my questions should be easy to clear up. I hope this thread can be of use for people who may be in a similar financial situation as me.

The process in this thread: Depression as a Stepping Stone (to soul growth) has been my main focus of doing The Work. As I've practiced the process outlined in the above thread, a pretty clear string of events entered my head after time. As I've been meditation on my depression without expression, my subconscious kept bringing up thoughts of my childhood and my current diet. I realized that my mental illnesses have gotten harder to deal since I've moved out of my mother's house when I was seventeen, four years ago. It was very tough functioning in society when I moved out. Every time I got a job it ended with my friends having to persuade me not to kill myself; I've been living under the support of some very close friends because of this.

My mother has been a health nut my entire life. I think I can easily summarize my diet with this short list: farm fresh milk, farm fresh meat[liver and marrow included], sea salt. She taught me the diets practiced here. Correlating this was a bit of an Epiphany! My diet has DRASTICALLY changed which I've now come to accept has been pushing my mental issues WAY over the edge. Reading through what these diets do for your body and brain I can literally see those benefits slipping away from me (memory, energy, healthy appetite).

My roommates are very picky eaters so because of that our diets are pretty much consists of: pizza(*constant*), pastas (*constant*), poultry, pork, beef, cookies, potato chips, etc.. Now I can suggest a lot of ways to prepare certain foods, but ultimately I can't control my toxin intake. I want to change the negative aspects of my diet, but currently it just isn't an option.

In the near future I'm going to buy the supplements recommended in this thread: Important threads for Diet and Health. Besides iodine, magnesium, alpha lipoic acid, and Omega 3 is there anything else I should add to my purchase? What should I do in the meantime to ''make up''-more or less- for my diet (Gluten being the big bad wolf)? And finally should I increase my uptake in anything particularly because of my limited diet?

Thank you so much in advance, and if I missed a thread touching on my question I do apologize for causing some noise!

 

[Perri475]

And I prefer to look at advice from people following the diets practiced on this forum.

I realize this sentence looks odd (slipped through editing). So much disinformation is pumped into dietary science and I'm not able to discern what is truthful, but I do know from my own experience that the health practices discussed here work for me.

I feel that I'm steering in the right direction mentally, but I need to get the physical on track. Every day it becomes more and more apparent that this lack of balance is causing a huge bottleneck in my development. I can't work on my mental well being if my body is fighting against itself.

The balance of mind and body makes.so much sense on paper, but the actual realization has been polarising.

 

[Keyhole]

Hi Perri475,

My roommates are very picky eaters so because of that our diets are pretty much consists of: pizza(*constant*), pastas (*constant*), poultry, pork, beef, cookies, potato chips, etc.. Now I can suggest a lot of ways to prepare certain foods, but ultimately I can't control my toxin intake. I want to change the negative aspects of my diet, but currently it just isn't an option.

Can I ask, why do you need to eat the same food as your room mates do? If you have a job and earn your own income, then could you not simply buy your own food from the supermarket? To be honest, living on a relatively simple ketogenic/paleo diet can be much cheaper than eating things like pizzas etc, so I fail to see how money could be an issue.

It is understandably difficult to live in an environment where others are consuming a standard diet, however there are many here on this forum that manage to do so successfully. Ultimately, anyone and everyone can control their toxin intake to some extent. It may seem like a daunting task at first, but nutrition is actually one of the only things that we can develop a great degree of control over.

I realized that my mental illnesses have gotten harder to deal since I've moved out of my mother's house when I was seventeen, four years ago. It was very tough functioning in society when I moved out. Every time I got a job it ended with my friends having to persuade me not to kill myself; I've been living under the support of some very close friends because of this.
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My diet has DRASTICALLY changed which I've now come to accept has been pushing my mental issues WAY over the edge. Reading through what these diets do for your body and brain I can literally see those benefits slipping away from me (memory, energy, healthy appetite).

Im sorry to hear about your struggle with mental health issues, Perri475. It is interesting that you mention your mental health declined when you moved out and subsequently adopted a different diet. Very often, states that are identified as depression actually originate from a variety of nutritional-deficiencies or intolerance which lead to biochemical imbalances, dyregulated hormonal cycles and an overall inability to synthesize the correct brain chemicals (due to lack of building blocks) - which can basically mess up the whole system.

First things first, have you read any of the recommended books on Diet and Health? Before making any solid changes, it is best to understand what you are trying to do and why you are doing it. I would also suggest that certain supplementation can only be properly effective when toxic elements are fully removed from the diet and you are working to develop gut integrity. So if you are going to make any changes, first of all it should be to focus on removing toxins and known allergens from your diet.

 

[lilyalic]

Can I ask, why do you need to eat the same food as your room mates do? If you have a job and earn your own income, then could you not simply buy your own food from the supermarket? To be honest, living on a relatively simple ketogenic/paleo diet can be much cheaper than eating things like pizzas etc, so I fail to see how money could be an issue.

It is understandably difficult to live in an environment where others are consuming a standard diet, however there are many here on this forum that manage to do so successfully. Ultimately, anyone and everyone can control their toxin intake to some extent.

I agree! It's cheaper buying ONLY meat, veg and fat. I've lived out in 2 house shares, with many other people who eat gluten, bread etc - although it seems difficult at first, it's actually really easy to keep your food separate. If your house mates usually share food (like mine do ATM) then that doesn't mean you have to share too, just get your own separate food, you can still eat when they eat, just not exactly the same foods. If you don't want them to know you've changed your diet, then maybe pretend you've been the doctors and been told you're intolerant i.e. to gluten, dairy.

You do have some control over what you feed your gut, take it!

Hopefully things get better for you Perri475, Good luck! :)

 

[Perri475]

Can I ask, why do you need to eat the same food as your room mates do? If you have a job and earn your own income, then could you not simply buy your own food from the supermarket? To be honest, living on a relatively simple ketogenic/paleo diet can be much cheaper than eating things like pizzas etc, so I fail to see how money could be an issue.

Sure you may, in fact I stated it in my OP, although I can see how the particular sentence may be confusing!
I do not have a job currently [nor my own income], the last two ended up with me in some very suicidal situations. I really should just be more open with my roommates about how this diet is messing with me (they are both in a relationship just to put things in context).

Im sorry to hear about your struggle with mental health issues, Perri475.

Thank you for your empathy, it is very appreciated.

It is interesting that you mention your mental health declined when you moved out and subsequently adopted a different diet. Very often, states that are identified as depression actually originate from a variety of nutritional-deficiencies or intolerance which lead to biochemical imbalances, dyregulated hormonal cycles and an overall inability to synthesize the correct brain chemicals (due to lack of building blocks) - which can basically mess up the whole system.

Yeah it was a very gradual change. It is so gradual you don't notice until you're on the other end of the freakin' spectrum!

First things first, have you read any of the recommended books on Diet and Health? Before making any solid changes, it is best to understand what you are trying to do and why you are doing it. I would also suggest that certain supplementation can only be properly effective when toxic elements are fully removed from the diet and you are working to develop gut integrity. So if you are going to make any changes, first of all it should be to focus on removing toxins and known allergens from your diet.

I haven't made my way through all the suggested, so I've been sticking to threads for health help while I focus on The Wave, Transcripts, High Strangeness, and Political Ponerology. I'm supposedly coming into a bit of money and decided to buy a portion the suggest reading from red pill press(as soon as it's an option!). I had my eyes on: When the Body Says No and Detoxify or Die. I have no known allergens. I agree that I should understand what I'm trying to do before making solid changes to my diet! Luckily, I was raised on a ketogenic diet so I understand how the food effects me. Not the science behind the diet, but more so how the diet interacts with my body. I had a feeling about toxins negating some of the supplements.. I'm just going to have to start today then it seem! Wasn't it Gurdjieff who said something about liberating yourself from one pizza so that you may liberate yourself from all pizzas?

I agree! It's cheaper buying ONLY meat, veg and fat. I've lived out in 2 house shares, with many other people who eat gluten, bread etc - although it seems difficult at first, it's actually really easy to keep your food separate. If your house mates usually share food (like mine do ATM) then that doesn't mean you have to share too, just get your own separate food, you can still eat when they eat, just not exactly the same foods. If you don't want them to know you've changed your diet, then maybe pretend you've been the doctors and been told you're intolerant i.e. to gluten, dairy.

You do have some control over what you feed your gut, take it!

Hopefully things get better for you Perri475, Good luck! :)

I believe things will, I haven't had it in me to take charge in years. It has to get better! Oh and the keto diet is very cheap!
My OP seems to imply that I have a job and income, but it's quite the opposite which is where the limited control comes into play.

The more I think of it the more reasonable it sounds though. Ketogenic foods pretty safe, imo, for picky eaters.

Thank you for the response(s), Lilyalic and Keyhole :)

 

[monotonic]

Maybe you can find a way to explain to them that if you can eat better, everyone will benefit because you'll be able to function normally? And since you would be dependant on others for your food for some time, external consideration is very important here. Ultimately, a good ketogenic diet may cost less though. Bacon can be cooked easily in the microwave, and we've found acceptable bacon at the grocery store. We cook it in a pan, then filter the fat through a coffee filter into jars we store in the fridge so we can use the fat for cooking eggs and other things.

 

[Perri475]

Maybe you can find a way to explain to them that if you can eat better, everyone will benefit because you'll be able to function normally? And since you would be dependant on others for your food for some time, external consideration is very important here. Ultimately, a good ketogenic diet may cost less though. Bacon can be cooked easily in the microwave, and we've found acceptable bacon at the grocery store. We cook it in a pan, then filter the fat through a coffee filter into jars we store in the fridge so we can use the fat for cooking eggs and other things.

Since my OP I have discussed it with everybody and to my surprise it wasn't an issue at all. I feel as if society intentionally trivializes these things in our brains so we don't better ourselves. I'll have to remember to start saving my bacon fat as well, thanks for the tip! Learning to speak up for myself is hard, but it certainly is paying off. Thanks for the support

 

[lainey]

Hello perri475, I'm sorry to hear you have been struggling. I think the first thing you can do (aside from reading through the diet and health threads) is to eliminate gluten from your diet.
I wouldn't try to do too many things at once as it can become overwhelming and cause you to give up. I think to have this one aim to focus on for the time being is a reasonable and achievable target.
Then you can assess how it makes you feel and choose the next step from there.
You seem to have the support of your flatmates so discuss your choices with them and explain how hopefully it will bring a clarity of mind which in turn will help you heal yourself. Step by step.
Good luck.

 

[davey72]

Hello perri475, I'm sorry to hear you have been struggling. I think the first thing you can do (aside from reading through the diet and health threads) is to eliminate gluten from your diet.
I wouldn't try to do too many things at once as it can become overwhelming and cause you to give up. I think to have this one aim to focus on for the time being is a reasonable and achievable target.
Then you can assess how it makes you feel and choose the next step from there.
You seem to have the support of your flatmates so discuss your choices with them and explain how hopefully it will bring a clarity of mind which in turn will help you heal yourself. Step by step.
Good luck.

Agreed. One thing i have learned from the forum is to never overdue it lest you put your body into shock. Perhaps reafing the keto thread and following it hat way may work. Good luck. :D

 

[Perri475]

Hello perri475, I'm sorry to hear you have been struggling. I think the first thing you can do (aside from reading through the diet and health threads) is to eliminate gluten from your diet.
I wouldn't try to do too many things at once as it can become overwhelming and cause you to give up. I think to have this one aim to focus on for the time being is a reasonable and achievable target.
Then you can assess how it makes you feel and choose the next step from there.
You seem to have the support of your flatmates so discuss your choices with them and explain how hopefully it will bring a clarity of mind which in turn will help you heal yourself. Step by step.
Good luck.

Well, gee I've had quite the morning! My partner and I will generally dose off with something on the tv (tonight's selection was a lecture by Philip Zimbardo on youtube), but I fell asleep early considering I was really exhausted (and ''defeated'') from a ordeal that happened earlier in the day where I had thrown all of my self-remembering out the window. What started as just going out to get food ended up being a series of SEEMINGLY harmless events that ended up causing me to go from nervous, to anxious, to slightly annoyed, to UNREASONABLY furious. The program evolved and my ego was too busy blabbering on for me to realize this. The end result was unwarranted hostility towards my partner. All these stupid little events led me to project this completely foreign anger onto her, which was totally uncalled for. So while I went to bed with no anger I still really couldn't shake that feeling of stagnation or 'non-progress'.

When I look on yesterday I see it as a missed opportunity. I can easily look back and almost see the programs unravel perfectly. Dominoes falling into place that truly show you how this universe operates. But I made my choice and looking back and seeing the programs doesn't help because I'm starting to realize that's just proof for my intellectual center, which doesn't matter at all in terms of emotions. So i can look back and see the programs and this is of great help to rationalize how programs run in my intellectual center, but unless I can feel these things out in the moment, what my lower intellectual center ''knows'' doesn't matter. I guess to me it's like I can know these programs are not of afterwards, but unless I can experience them and understand them on a level that goes further than what the ego wants to rationalize for convenience (''bumpers'' to absorb shock as Laura has called them in other threads).

I woke up unexpectedly about 3 hours ago to a lecture on synchronicity and purpose. It was pretty short and to the point: we have a force calling us that society has led us to abandon. In fact, the only thing that grabbed my attention was Castaneda being quoted on the cubic centimeter of luck. I ended up restarting this video (when the youtube app finishes a video on the tv it randomly goes to a related video, so leave it on for a few hours and you never know where you'd end up) which ended up being a bag of realization bricks.

I was about to hop back into bed until I looked at my responses and saw yours and wrote all of that just to say: thank you. I think that I would be very susceptible into trying to ''do'' too much without actually absorbing anything useful, which would be looking for a shortcut i think. Haha I know the advice was for my dietary concerns, but it help tie a few things together in my brain outside of what I originally asked. Thank you for taking the time to respond as your response has nicely tied together this odd little epiphany I had this morning.

ps. sorry for the scatter-brained wall of text! I just had a pretty eye opening experience and your advice hit me in some more places than you maybe intended so once again thank you