Santos Bonacci speaks after court - exposes entire legal fraud to NEWS
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jonspock
Padawan Learner
seek10 said:
I've also seen some of his videos and heard some of his internet radio shows. However, rather than try to credit or discredit the man himself based on what he has done or said in the past, it may be better to discuss the various issues he brought up. I don't think Santos came up with most of those ideas himself as there are many others who have said similar things. He does however say it very convincingly and seems to be someone who stands behind what he believes in this regard as he is actually confronting the authorities rather than merely spewing various speculations about things. I think most of his points will go over the heads of most people though as it takes a lot of research and reading to get to the point where he is at.
I followed Santos with his Astrotheology... Then recently he began to get agitated and a bit hysterical on facebook about the 'paedophiles in power'.. Then the 'School of Holy Science' [dodgy imo] closed down - all the while people are dividing and arguing amongst themselves over him and the groups etc
I watched his arrest, it was a bit pathetic considering his rhetoric.
For me, all this drama amongst the 'freeman' seems like a distraction. There's a lot of this going on - 'The peoples voice' (Icke et al) had some 'missing funds'.
Is Santos a dupe? He doesn't seem totally stable and is quite inconsistent.
As i said to the last 'Freeman' - if your dealing with a psychopath, do you think your own choice of magic words will work any differently? I don't remember those on their way to the gulag claiming 'common law' etc...
my thoughts..
I watched his arrest, it was a bit pathetic considering his rhetoric.
For me, all this drama amongst the 'freeman' seems like a distraction. There's a lot of this going on - 'The peoples voice' (Icke et al) had some 'missing funds'.
Is Santos a dupe? He doesn't seem totally stable and is quite inconsistent.
As i said to the last 'Freeman' - if your dealing with a psychopath, do you think your own choice of magic words will work any differently? I don't remember those on their way to the gulag claiming 'common law' etc...
my thoughts..
jonspock
Padawan Learner
itellsya said:
Yes, this whole topic could be summarized by the word "Freeman". Santos character doesn't really matter as you could probably discredit almost anyone. Perhaps we are under such a spell of 'psychopathy' because we have willfully surrendered our sovereignity to the so called authorities. If a society has already devolved into gulags and such, then yes, little can be done with words as one will be a very small minority and no one will even have the capacity to understand what you are talking about. It is important at least for me to understand how we got to where we are at this point in time and where we came from. I believe Santos has done a good job at attempting to explain that in some of his talks. It makes more sense than what you'll learn in any school or university and has a ring of truth to it. Now whether you want to live by that belief or not is a different topic and I think that is where the hard-core "Freemen" come in. So of course there will be differences of opinion and some drama but isn't that all part of getting to the truth?
I'm not sure what you mean by
"For me, all this drama amongst the 'freeman' seems like a distraction"
could you give some well formed thoughts on this?
Thanks
"jonspock
So of course there will be differences of opinion and some drama but isn't that all part of getting to the truth?
I'm not sure what you mean by
"For me, all this drama amongst the 'freeman' seems like a distraction"
could you give some well formed thoughts on this?
Thanks"
As mentioned; his hysteria and lack of data regarding the 'paedophiles in power' (his radio show), his behaviour on facebook (ranting, cursing needlessly), his feigning knowledge on topics (see: his interview with Matt presti Walter Russell) and in others just reading straight from the book (the astrotheology series!); raised questions for me and is mostly noise. I feel his character is important and I know he doesn't represent an entire movement.
Then there's the messy breakup from the - again dubious - 'School of Holy science'. I understand that here on this forum, the scratch test has proven quite revealing.
Then there's the video of his arrest,shot by his girlfriend, and his 'performance' during that. It came across as very weak and highly ineffectual. Whether these magical phrases should or shouldn't work is not my point, in general they don't and are encouraging the desperate to get into further trouble.
If the teacher can't do it...
The arrest:
Santos Bonacci Arrested - Full Video of Arrest - YouTube
► 9:07► 9:07
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3V0g0nTASo
24 Jan 2014 - Uploaded by Gnostic Warrior
So for me, he spouts dubious data, aligns with dubious groups, has a clear ego which he is unable to control, and his methods are shown to not work - he was requesting BAIL from his supporters, something like 10,000$ AUSD?? for his unpaid parking tickets???
Further to this, and quite relevant, here is a video
Sovereign, freeman arrest a treasonous judge and seize court ...
► 7:46► 7:46
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsgXWPRbKQE
- this is a very old video, and from my understanding, the result wasn't victorious at all, it just shut it down for the day. And as Tom Cahill (youtube commentator stated, it will just encourage the state to bring in gun toting NSA style agents to the court room)
I wrote this to someone as the issue had been on my mind, perhaps it will help explain my point better:
"What I am trying to say it these vectors – in the subcultures of 'alternative research' – whether by disputes from within or outright lying are happening more often, but there does appear to be some 'synchronicity' in their themes and timing.... It was only yesterday I came across a new female face, 'Josie the outlaw', the video I saw she was deconstructing the school system. Now we have a 'freeman' for everyone, if you catch my drift.
So we have, lots of desperate ill educated poor people (of which I am one) being shown areas of corruption in the system and the suggestion is to defy it by breaking the law. Or not breaking the law per-se, it's a 'matter of interperatation' of which laws should applied and you only need to go into court and say the magic words and case by case the evil will subside...Sounds like the perfect set-up.
It's not that I support this system, but until it is gone, it seems to be that you follow the rules to a point or you go to jail before you've had chance to make a point."
And i'm a reader of many groups online where people are swapping information on how to navigate things - the legal grey areas- like the TV License and the changing state system. So whilst i see a HUGE benefit in this networking info swap, it is very tricky and for those not familiar with critical thinking, disinfo, cointel and the still lazy who want an easy opt out, this is dodgy territory. As i say, Santos used his celebrity to try to raise funds!
How many of his 'followers' could do that?
Primarily, for me, it's the idea that the system just needs to be enforced 'justly' rather than that it is just corrupt.
I hope that answered your q and i'd be interested to hear your thoughts :)
So of course there will be differences of opinion and some drama but isn't that all part of getting to the truth?
I'm not sure what you mean by
"For me, all this drama amongst the 'freeman' seems like a distraction"
could you give some well formed thoughts on this?
Thanks"
As mentioned; his hysteria and lack of data regarding the 'paedophiles in power' (his radio show), his behaviour on facebook (ranting, cursing needlessly), his feigning knowledge on topics (see: his interview with Matt presti Walter Russell) and in others just reading straight from the book (the astrotheology series!); raised questions for me and is mostly noise. I feel his character is important and I know he doesn't represent an entire movement.
Then there's the messy breakup from the - again dubious - 'School of Holy science'. I understand that here on this forum, the scratch test has proven quite revealing.
Then there's the video of his arrest,shot by his girlfriend, and his 'performance' during that. It came across as very weak and highly ineffectual. Whether these magical phrases should or shouldn't work is not my point, in general they don't and are encouraging the desperate to get into further trouble.
If the teacher can't do it...
The arrest:
Santos Bonacci Arrested - Full Video of Arrest - YouTube
► 9:07► 9:07
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3V0g0nTASo
24 Jan 2014 - Uploaded by Gnostic Warrior
So for me, he spouts dubious data, aligns with dubious groups, has a clear ego which he is unable to control, and his methods are shown to not work - he was requesting BAIL from his supporters, something like 10,000$ AUSD?? for his unpaid parking tickets???
Further to this, and quite relevant, here is a video
Sovereign, freeman arrest a treasonous judge and seize court ...
► 7:46► 7:46
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsgXWPRbKQE
- this is a very old video, and from my understanding, the result wasn't victorious at all, it just shut it down for the day. And as Tom Cahill (youtube commentator stated, it will just encourage the state to bring in gun toting NSA style agents to the court room)
I wrote this to someone as the issue had been on my mind, perhaps it will help explain my point better:
"What I am trying to say it these vectors – in the subcultures of 'alternative research' – whether by disputes from within or outright lying are happening more often, but there does appear to be some 'synchronicity' in their themes and timing.... It was only yesterday I came across a new female face, 'Josie the outlaw', the video I saw she was deconstructing the school system. Now we have a 'freeman' for everyone, if you catch my drift.
So we have, lots of desperate ill educated poor people (of which I am one) being shown areas of corruption in the system and the suggestion is to defy it by breaking the law. Or not breaking the law per-se, it's a 'matter of interperatation' of which laws should applied and you only need to go into court and say the magic words and case by case the evil will subside...Sounds like the perfect set-up.
It's not that I support this system, but until it is gone, it seems to be that you follow the rules to a point or you go to jail before you've had chance to make a point."
And i'm a reader of many groups online where people are swapping information on how to navigate things - the legal grey areas- like the TV License and the changing state system. So whilst i see a HUGE benefit in this networking info swap, it is very tricky and for those not familiar with critical thinking, disinfo, cointel and the still lazy who want an easy opt out, this is dodgy territory. As i say, Santos used his celebrity to try to raise funds!
How many of his 'followers' could do that?
Primarily, for me, it's the idea that the system just needs to be enforced 'justly' rather than that it is just corrupt.
I hope that answered your q and i'd be interested to hear your thoughts :)
(i can't edit so i'll add)
I notice the title is emphasizing the idea of exposure to the world and my previous post was about Santos himself,
1) Bonacci wouldn't do a great job as poster boy - thus discrediting an idea and deluding his fans, 2 4 1.
2) as we've seen in cases like the Dutroux paedophile case, you can have all the evidence and coverage in the world and it will still basically fade into nothingness - if that's what tptb want.
I notice the title is emphasizing the idea of exposure to the world and my previous post was about Santos himself,
1) Bonacci wouldn't do a great job as poster boy - thus discrediting an idea and deluding his fans, 2 4 1.
2) as we've seen in cases like the Dutroux paedophile case, you can have all the evidence and coverage in the world and it will still basically fade into nothingness - if that's what tptb want.
David
Jedi Master
A Ring of Truth... I don’t have broadband so cant see or hear what this guy is saying, probably a good thing... but consider the Dr Fox Effect
From_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Fox_effect
Just add some truth and maybe the guy is moving like a magician...
But I could be making something from nothing... indeed I am... but maybe useful to keep in mind, from all this Youtube and Facebook Celebrity business.
From_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Fox_effect
Just add some truth and maybe the guy is moving like a magician...
But I could be making something from nothing... indeed I am... but maybe useful to keep in mind, from all this Youtube and Facebook Celebrity business.
jonspock
Padawan Learner
itellsya said:
I wasn't aware that he was asking for money. You seem to know a lot more about Santos than me, but regardless I think any media coverage can help open at least some people's minds to alternative views that Santos is talking about. I agree though a bad Poster boy may have the opposite effect. The good poster boys though tend to be well supported by the system and thus have either no grievances or are reluctant to speak out against it.
I think you give TPTB too much credit and control of things. Things fade into nothingness because people don't care and don't really want to know the truth.
I appreciate that my post may have come across quite strong, but as i detail, to me, he is either a scam artist or a super useful dupe - he comes from a 'background as a very successful multilingual (English, Spanish,Italian, French?) Jehovah’s witness'.
So he has persuasion and indoctrination as a standard. .
I know that groups and movements like to choose their speakers carefully or corporations with their pretty PR girls; here however, for example, and as Gurdjieff (?) has stated, you can actively discourage someone from important work if you do not know yourself, bad information being almost as bad as no information. I think the C's say it is worse.
So in other ways, Santos' rambling could actually be turning away more than he's turning on.
As for undeserving credit to tptb; it sounds like you have something emotionally invested in Santos and or his/it's potential effect (for change?), i give them credit where i see their actions have worked, and provided a heinous example to show what i meant.
For the television viewing public, it will take a lot more than Santos; and for the more aware it may actually get them into trouble or potentially waste years down rabbit holes.
Do you feel that by implementing law as is on the books would create justice? I'm fairly sure in the UK most of the laws are written with an eye to the crown, so i still think we'd suffer. A change of law doesn't change people inside either. This is what a focus on 'common law' and 'freeman' does, it denies reality, as if the 'matrix' is for our benefit and that has just slightly gone off course, rather than it is a symptom of the course we are on.
I support change, i support educating oneself as protection and subverting what you can to create change, but if we're all having trouble demonstrating to people say, that Tony Blair is a war criminal (1million dead and counting), why would we expect the minutiae of common law and 'fictional characters' to be more effective??
So he has persuasion and indoctrination as a standard. .
I know that groups and movements like to choose their speakers carefully or corporations with their pretty PR girls; here however, for example, and as Gurdjieff (?) has stated, you can actively discourage someone from important work if you do not know yourself, bad information being almost as bad as no information. I think the C's say it is worse.
So in other ways, Santos' rambling could actually be turning away more than he's turning on.
As for undeserving credit to tptb; it sounds like you have something emotionally invested in Santos and or his/it's potential effect (for change?), i give them credit where i see their actions have worked, and provided a heinous example to show what i meant.
For the television viewing public, it will take a lot more than Santos; and for the more aware it may actually get them into trouble or potentially waste years down rabbit holes.
Do you feel that by implementing law as is on the books would create justice? I'm fairly sure in the UK most of the laws are written with an eye to the crown, so i still think we'd suffer. A change of law doesn't change people inside either. This is what a focus on 'common law' and 'freeman' does, it denies reality, as if the 'matrix' is for our benefit and that has just slightly gone off course, rather than it is a symptom of the course we are on.
I support change, i support educating oneself as protection and subverting what you can to create change, but if we're all having trouble demonstrating to people say, that Tony Blair is a war criminal (1million dead and counting), why would we expect the minutiae of common law and 'fictional characters' to be more effective??
Kaigen, what i have written about Bonacci i have gleaned over a few years generally following his 'work'. Before i had - for me at least - come to trust and become colinear with a lot of the information here; i spent a few years trawling through the material online; primarily audio/video, because i read even slower back then, and had so much to 'catch up' on.
Needless to say, Bonacci, Wiedner, Nassim Haramein, Sheridan (who actually bothered me enough with his Sott bashing that i was motivated to register in the first place) Tsarion, Maxwell etc.. ; most every other speaker on youtube (and beyond!), and in the course of this superficial sieving, i have - thus far - come to my own conclusions. For some of those characters, it was only through this forum that i came to realise there was something off.
So when i speak of Bonacci as i have, it's from following his posts, listening to him being interviewed, interviewing, his old videos on 'astrotheology' 'know thyself' (2+hours each), his comments throughout on himself and his life - like the Jehova's witness comment (hence why i didn't reference it).
For example, i remember he said he's a Leo who see's his life plateauing around 50-60 and he will live a relatively short life but do his 'main work' just before, like around now. That his brother/other relative is definitely from another star system, he said "those from Sirius, LOOK serious" and on and on and on. This is from his 'Astrotheology' series, all on youtube.
One method i have used in picking off the suspicious is, if i can't dispute their information - because it's unprovable or what not - i watch their behaviour and speech. Hence the random references; for me, anyone confidently spouting sirians are serious..... *red flag*
I continue to follow them, if only as an exercise in sociology/psychology; and a barometer as to 'how far along we are'; if you get me.
Apologies if i'm going on, but just so you know where i am getting my information, ideas, how i am forming the opinion and why; may help assess what i have to say.
Moe of Gnostic Warrior actually broke the arrest video - i think - this page is just a post from the day of the arrest, with comments from fans etc.. Not interesting except the court order is posted
AUSD$132,251.10 (which as you said Kaigen, is like 90,000EU
image of court order: _http://gnosticwarrior.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Santos-image-2.jpg
and
"On January 8th, 2014 Santos had posted this message:
Private prosecution coming up friends, I had a call by a private corporation today, called Sheriffs office Victoria. Here is the Prima Fascia evidence of their intent to commit fraud by attempting aid and abet one to create joinder to a legal name! I’ll keep you posted. Just wait to see the fun our little private prosecution team here in Melbourne are going to have when we prosecute the ‘Sheriff’s Office of Victoria’, private corporation probably owned by some rich pedophiles in Toorak! We are also going to make a documentary and share it with the world for a lesson in freedom! Stay tuned!
page: _http://gnosticwarrior.com/santos-bonacci-arrested-and-in-custody.html
Shared 60000+ times on facebook alone....
oh and see his comments about the 'paedophiles in Toorak', this has become a common slurr as i mentioned, it makes him & his associates look very silly.....
Needless to say, Bonacci, Wiedner, Nassim Haramein, Sheridan (who actually bothered me enough with his Sott bashing that i was motivated to register in the first place) Tsarion, Maxwell etc.. ; most every other speaker on youtube (and beyond!), and in the course of this superficial sieving, i have - thus far - come to my own conclusions. For some of those characters, it was only through this forum that i came to realise there was something off.
So when i speak of Bonacci as i have, it's from following his posts, listening to him being interviewed, interviewing, his old videos on 'astrotheology' 'know thyself' (2+hours each), his comments throughout on himself and his life - like the Jehova's witness comment (hence why i didn't reference it).
For example, i remember he said he's a Leo who see's his life plateauing around 50-60 and he will live a relatively short life but do his 'main work' just before, like around now. That his brother/other relative is definitely from another star system, he said "those from Sirius, LOOK serious" and on and on and on. This is from his 'Astrotheology' series, all on youtube.
One method i have used in picking off the suspicious is, if i can't dispute their information - because it's unprovable or what not - i watch their behaviour and speech. Hence the random references; for me, anyone confidently spouting sirians are serious..... *red flag*
I continue to follow them, if only as an exercise in sociology/psychology; and a barometer as to 'how far along we are'; if you get me.
Apologies if i'm going on, but just so you know where i am getting my information, ideas, how i am forming the opinion and why; may help assess what i have to say.
Moe of Gnostic Warrior actually broke the arrest video - i think - this page is just a post from the day of the arrest, with comments from fans etc.. Not interesting except the court order is posted
AUSD$132,251.10 (which as you said Kaigen, is like 90,000EU
image of court order: _http://gnosticwarrior.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Santos-image-2.jpg
and
"On January 8th, 2014 Santos had posted this message:
Private prosecution coming up friends, I had a call by a private corporation today, called Sheriffs office Victoria. Here is the Prima Fascia evidence of their intent to commit fraud by attempting aid and abet one to create joinder to a legal name! I’ll keep you posted. Just wait to see the fun our little private prosecution team here in Melbourne are going to have when we prosecute the ‘Sheriff’s Office of Victoria’, private corporation probably owned by some rich pedophiles in Toorak! We are also going to make a documentary and share it with the world for a lesson in freedom! Stay tuned!
page: _http://gnosticwarrior.com/santos-bonacci-arrested-and-in-custody.html
Shared 60000+ times on facebook alone....
oh and see his comments about the 'paedophiles in Toorak', this has become a common slurr as i mentioned, it makes him & his associates look very silly.....
jonspock
Padawan Learner
I have no emotional investment in Santos. I found some of his videos educational and was in agreement with somethings he said. However, by no means do I agree and buy it all. I don't think it is a question of common law vs Tony Blair is a war criminal, since I don't feel that need that we need to convince everyone about how corrupt the system is. When things get bad enough they will start to get it. It's very unlikely that most will get it before then as history has shown.itellsya said:
So I don't know or care if Santos is a dupe or not. I believe those sincerely looking for truth will find it and others will easily be deceived regardless of how much good or bad information is out there. I think one thing about 'bad' information is that it does have to contain some 'good' information to work at all. If you learn something from the 'good' you can later dispense with the 'bad' and move on. If you get stuck with the 'bad' then it could be more detrimental than nothing, but such is life. Personally I think this Santos thing will end badly. He will either suffer badly or get away without consequences and encourage many others to attempt to do the same thing without getting the same results. I don't want to weigh in on the freeman vs current law debate as perhaps neither is ideal.
jonspock said:
My perception is that your opinion has changed then, Jonspock? Because the first post you are saying that you think to reach his level, takes a lot of research and reading, then you say you do not care if he is a dupe?
This is why i am so adamant to assess the speakers 'reliability' because we've all been wrong before, and i would suggest it is always advisable to be a 'nit picker' rather than just say you don't care about him because he's saying alot of what others have said..
I am finding that, if i don't have something solid to present to the outside world regarding these topics, i don't, because it might be the last chance i get.
Their loss overall i guess, but i want at least to try to speak and behave, skillfully.
