Screaming Transdimensional Hair Pullers

[Faith]

What if those hyperdimensional beings are sort of psychic manifestations of a collective kind of subconsciousness, that has a certain life of it's own, forth density? In other words, the consciousness of menkind has an unknown depth, that is part of an even bigger all terrestrial life including consciousness, that again could be part of an extraterrestrial, cosmic consciousness. If there is the possibility of a telepathic interaction, of a connection between all living things, it could explain, what certain people experience, when they are dealing with higher beings. When you are dreaming, your subconsciousness creates characters with a life of their own as well. So maybe there is no difference at all.


That's why I have been afraid of dreaming since I discovered the mysterious outback the very first time. I am afraid of my own dream-characters! I don't know if I am just simulating them or if they actually have a life of their own. Either way it scares me that I can't answer this question on my own. I don't know, what I am doing inside my body, behind my very eyes! It's strange. I look strange to myself. The outback starts right behind my eyes! Maybe my personal problem is your problem as well, our problem: the problem of our very reality! Maybe we are creating those higher beings, unwittingly with our own 'magical' forces, we don't even know yet. I mean, we do a lot of things unwittingly. Maybe that is the truth 'they' are hiding from us. If we wake up, we might see, that they are just made up by our own, chaotic, untrained and naive minds. Maybe it's like the baby lying in it's bed crying and screaming, because it pulls it's own hair unwittingly, a scene which I actually witnessed! Maybe we could learn from this baby :/


Maybe a 'sighting' of any kind, that has been witnessed by many people might be indeed a mass-hallucination, if it spreads collectively by unknown telepathic effects. One could say those beings live in this kind of psychic media, like a hallucinatory lifeform, a consciousness fragment like all these 'I's inside of me, the servants who each thinks he is the one master.


Maybe forth density is just the finer structure inside of each and everything, like the higher bodies Gurdijeff describes, shades of gray that can't be seen with eyes that have not yet learned to differentiate in a far more advanced manner. Those naive eyes see chaos where actually are patterns and systems of just a higher complexity, following the same principles, that we merely begin to understand. Puh... what do you think? I am looking forward to read your thoughts on this :)


Oh, wait... let me try. *focus, focus, focus* I am already hearing your thoughts! I am seeing your demons, that are my demons! If only :P

 

[Al Today]

Hi floetus

I discovered the mysterious outback

I do not understand what is meant by the "mysterious outback". Could you explain a little more?

There are some interesting concepts in your post there floetus. You spoke of our "dream characters". What if i/you/we are a dream character for somebody/something else's dream? What happens to us when that "dreamer" wakes up? And that "dreamer" also must learn the lessons of their situation. Just as we do, or don't do. This can be a never-ending story of growing, learning, and becoming, what? I dunno for sure. But much of this seems cyclical. I can't fathom where this all began anymore than I know where this is going. But a path will be taken for after all, this is a Free Will universe. First of all, one has gotta KNOW what the choices are in order to be free will.

For the simple reason that I really don't know the facts of what the "truth" is ?,?,?, I assume that I probably wouldn't understand anyway. Not right now, today anyway... It's like learning math. Before studying Calculus, one has gotta master Algebra. Otherwise trying to learn would be a waste. But many people do... Waste opportunity that is... To me, incremental learning is a basic principle.

Personally, I enjoy the concept of forever, never-ending, and timeless. For if i/you/us/we/them did learn all there was to learn....
What would then be the point to all of this. The sheer incomprehensibility of the incomprehensible can be overwhelming. Merely seeking the "truth" may be the "hardest" task ever taken on. So many times I have seen someone become totally OBSESSED with seeking. And becoming alone, choosing to disconnect and turn to their navel for contemplation, drooling fool, what I call a Duff-Duh. Yes, be in the world, not of the world. But don't get so wrapped up mysteries that the "real" world becomes lost and therefore you too can become "lost".

Sometimes I just wanna cook and preparing a little word salad which does demonstrate my lack of knowledge.

 

[Faith]

I do not understand what is meant by the "mysterious outback". Could you explain a little more?

For my understanding the mysterious outback would be the back-country or ...hey, another German word, that also exists in the English language: 'Hinterland', heh, funny :) That's the word you could use instead: 'hinterland' or 'back-country' beyond the walls of our greenlighted, verified 'truth', that has been approved by the authorities. It's the realm of mysterious possibilities like ghosts, aliens, gods and demons, mind control, remote viewing and telepathy, to name a view. I first discovered it, when I saw a ghost, something that was not a dream, at least this is what I believed when I was a child. Today I am not quite sure about that. And some years later when I read Erich von Däniken and some alien-abduction-stories and watched 'Intruders', which scared the frak out of me, still does! Thanks Däniken for making me paranoid! Your damn books were not x-rated! :O :/ :)

What if i/you/we are a dream character for somebody/something else's dream?

Yeah, that's the spirit! :) I must admit, my little theory is a bit self-centred, as usual. What you suggest is even more complex: I like that! I hope it's not the wrong 'I', that awakens inside of me. Do you think, it's the other way around: the lizzies are dreaming us! Would be logical, wouldn't it? Forth Density is simulating or dreaming Third Density. If we are their dream-characters, the countless 'I's, the lizzies would crystallize in the right way if we were unified in terms of a truly humble STO-Network. So that's what they are hiding from us? However your modification looks more like a (w)holistic fractal-pattern. Very nice.

By the way I discovered a fractal-geometry generating tool. It's stunning! Some of these fractals look exactly like galaxies and other deep-space-phenomena, others look like organic structures, trees, nervesystems. I am sure that Mandelbrot definitely discovered a universal principle, that seems quite obvious 'UNIVERSALSPRACHE!

To me, incremental learning is a basic principle.

Absolutely! Fourth-way-self-evolving-modification first.

Personally, I enjoy the concept of forever, never-ending, and timeless.

As I said, I am also a big fan of the mandelbrot-fractal-pattern-concept :D

Sometimes I just wanna cook and preparing a little word salad which does demonstrate my lack of knowledge.

Yeah, go on, best way to test your knowledge, isn't it? By the way in German 'consciousness' means 'Bewusstsein' -- 'bewusst' + 'sein' means 'know that you are', 'knowledge' and 'being' which belong together like Gudijeff said. Even our own language helps you seeing the truth, at least sometimes

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[Lauranimal]

Somewhat off topic here, but...

Maybe it's like the baby lying in it's bed crying and screaming, because it pulls it's own hair unwittingly, a scene which I actually witnessed! Maybe we could learn from this baby

I do not think there is anything unwitting about this. In the same way you scratch a mosquito bite, because it itches, the baby is responding to some physiological stimulus. In adults, the same kind of pulling out of hair has been labeled trichatillamania (sp?), and is considered a borderline obsessive compulsive disorder. Many psychiatrists believe that it is a mental and emotional state that brings about this urge. How much mental and emotional problems does a baby have that would compel them to pull out their own hair? I think those people who suffer from this problem feel a lot of shame and difficult emotions over it, but that it is not the other way around. While our emotions are definitely expressed in our bodies, I theorize that this physiological prompting has more to do with cranial obstructions; Jammed cranial sutures and torsions that impinge on nerves. Impinge one particular nerve in a particular place and agitation may occur in a certain area. Some pull from their heads. Some pull from just particular portions of their heads. Some pull eyebrows and or eyelashes, or just particular parts of them. This suggests a very specific cause and effect to me.

A baby responds directly to internal and external stimulus. I think it is natural for them to respond. They are not crying and screaming because it hurts when they pull their hair out. It is because the only remedy they can find to relieve the unrelenting pressure, is to pull on the hair. Doing so relieves the pressure for only an instant, but it immediately comes back. They pull more hair, continually trying to release this unbelievably frustrating feeling, but it doesn't work, and so they scream and cry in frustration.

If you know the parents of this baby, you may want to suggest to them to find someone highly experienced in pediatric cranial sacral therapy. If they go this route, it is very important to make sure the person is trained specifically in pediatric CSR, as a baby's cranium is not entirely formed and they may have suffered birth trauma that affected or jammed the cranium. Don't take someone's word for it. Check out their certifications, make sure they have advanced training and years of experience. Getting this kind of treatment now, could save this child a lifetime of suffering that goes way beyond just pulling out hair. Symptoms are information. Unwitting just means, without conscious awareness or understanding of cause.

FWIW :)

 

[Mike]

That's why I have been afraid of dreaming since I discovered the mysterious outback the very first time. I am afraid of my own dream-characters! I don't know if I am just simulating them or if they actually have a life of their own. Either way it scares me that I can't answer this question on my own. I don't know, what I am doing inside my body, behind my very eyes! It's strange. I look strange to myself. The outback starts right behind my eyes! Maybe my personal problem is your problem as well, our problem: the problem of our very reality! Maybe we are creating those higher beings, unwittingly with our own 'magical' forces, we don't even know yet. I mean, we do a lot of things unwittingly. Maybe that is the truth 'they' are hiding from us. If we wake up, we might see, that they are just made up by our own, chaotic, untrained and naive minds. Maybe it's like the baby lying in it's bed crying and screaming, because it pulls it's own hair unwittingly, a scene which I actually witnessed! Maybe we could learn from this baby :/

Hi floetus,
I think the above bolded part is off. If we are kind of cattle for 4D STS and they feed off of us, then it is kind of blaming the victim. Think of it in 3D reality - do cows dream up the farmer who takes them to slaughter or are they just used for sustenance and then discarded.
Something worth reading along these lines is Gurdjieff's story of the Evil Magician:

"There is an Eastern tale which speaks about a very rich magician who had a great many sheep. But at the same time this magician was very mean. He did not want to hire shepherds, nor did he want to erect a fence about the pasture where his sheep were grazing. The sheep consequently often wandered into the forest, fell into ravines, and so on, and above all they ran away, for they knew that the magician wanted their flesh and skins and this they did not like.

"At last the magician found a remedy. He hypnotized his sheep and suggested to them first of all that they were immortal and that no harm was being done to them when they were skinned, that, on the contrary, it would be very good for them and even pleasant; secondly he suggested that the magician was a good master who loved his flock so much that he was ready to do anything in the world for them; and in the third place he suggested to them that if anything at all were going to happen to them it was not going to happen just then, at any rate not that day, and therefore they had no need to think about it. Further the magician suggested to his sheep that they were not sheep at all; to some of them he suggested that they were lions, to others that they were eagles, to others that they were men, and to others that they were magicians.

"And after this all his cares and worries about the sheep came to an end. They never ran away again but quietly awaited the time when the magician would require their flesh and skins." [Quoted by P.I. Ouspensky, In Search of the Miraculous]

And also what Castaneda wrote about the predator mind:

In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now. ...'I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.'" [Castaneda, 1998, pp. 213-220]

 

[Faith]

Somewhat off topic here, but...

...you should know the hidden facts about a phenomenon, you chose as a metaphor or symbol. You are right :) That's very interesting. I watched the behavior of that baby, the visible signs and the visible causality, without full awareness of the special circumstances.

So these babies are stimulated in a way we, the adults, are not. So we must interpret this strange behavior in a, at least partly 'wrong way', unless we know the special circumstances, causing special behavior. But nevertheless pulling hair must hurt! So the baby is crying in frustration but also out of physical pain, doesn't it? It is under the influence of an automatism with 'a life of it's own'. In the same way we, the adults, are stimulated to hurt ourselves by lying, betraying and killing. We do respond directly to internal and external stimulus as well, aren't we? Anger, Shame, Envy and Jealousy, to name a view. We are machines, controlled by inner and outer chaos, causality-effects with 'a life of it's own'. Still the metaphor works, doesn't it? The core-questions of this topic are: "What exactly is this 'Life of it's own'?" "Where does the 'I' end and where does 'It' begin? "Who or what is 'It', that obviously has a 'life of it's own', hidden behind the incomprehensibility of the Divine, cosmic fractals? And I believe finding explanations like yours, explaining the special causality of an 'obviously insane' behavior, helps us to liberate ourselves from this 'life that is not ours'.

Getting this kind of treatment now, could save this child a lifetime of suffering that goes way beyond just pulling out hair.

This baby I am talking about has already become a young adult. Does she suffer from damages, that were not repaired and not understood back then? Who doesn't?

But in this case it seems quite 'normal'. I watched this behavior one time. The 'hair pulling' was not pronounced extremely in this case :)

 

[Faith]

I think the above bolded part is off. If we are kind of cattle for 4D STS and they feed off of us, then it is kind of blaming the victim. Think of it in 3D reality - do cows dream up the farmer who takes them to slaughter or are they just used for sustenance and then discarded.

I agree with you. That way seems very unlikely. As I said, my little theory was too self-centred, but it seems to evolve with your help :) It's rather the other way around, as Al suggested :) You know, it would be easier for us, if we were the actual magicians (in disguise) :P Want some denial? I can offer you three types 123, come get some, save the day!

 

[no-mans-land]

What if i/you/we are a dream character for somebody/something else's dream?

This is on of those questions, which prevents to go to sleep^^.

What if we are dream characters, even every 4th to 6th density beings and at the point when we all reach simultaneously the 7th density, the trucker wake up, scratch his head, wonder about this crazy dream and go to work. ;)

 

[Faith]

What if we are dream characters, even every 4th to 6th density beings and at the point when we all reach simultaneously the 7th density, the trucker wake up, scratch his head, wonder about this crazy dream and go to work. ;)

Yeah, the trucker is the key! It's like the homer-simpson-fractal, watch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTByJADSBAk&feature=related