Shoe Scanners...

anart

A Disturbance in the Force
This is an Associated Press article that was on Yahoo news - I just had to share it - my comments are in quote boxes throughout.



Shoe Scanners Speed Up Airport Security
Friday January 5, 3:26 pm ET
By Stephen Majors, Associated Press Writer
Shoe Scanners at Airports Increase Efficiency of Security, Advance Screening Technology

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- While thousands of travelers queued up daily at Orlando International Airport, yanking off their shoes and shoving them through X-ray machines, a select few got to avoid the hassle during the latter part of 2006 -- and passengers at four other airports nationally will soon join them.

These travelers, who paid a $100 fee and underwent a background check to be part of a test program, bypassed the line and stepped into what may be a glimpse of the future -- they inserted a biometric identification card into a kiosk that scanned their irises and their fingerprints to verify their identity, placed a fingertip on an explosives scanning device and stood on a scanning platform that determined whether their footwear hid a bomb.

anart said:
yep, that's right, they each paid $100 to be biometrically scanned and have their personal privacy eliminated forever in a government database - but, hey, they got to have their fingertip scanned for explosives!
Operated by Verified Identity Pass Inc., a New York City-based company headed by Court TV founder Steven Brill, the GE Security screening kiosks will go into official use this month in Orlando and are expected to also begin operation at the Cincinnati, Indianapolis, San Jose, Calif., airports, and Terminal 7 at New York's JFK International Airport. Only the shoe scanner has received Transportation Security Administration approval for official use to date, so customers won't get the fingertip scan, at least initially.

anart said:
...customers who pay $100 for the privilage of the biometric identity card, that is...
"Wouldn't it have been nice if they had that system in Denver right now?" said painting contractor John Fox as he traveled from Florida to his snow-walloped, jam-packed home airport recently. Even though he only flies about three times a year, he said he would sign up if Denver's airport got the program. "It's giving up a little privacy for efficiency. I'm all for it."

anart said:
'giving up a little privacy?????' - is this guy on drugs? Giving up one's entire identity and personal history to STILL be scanned, and have your luggage gone through - that's a brilliant idea - could this man have made a more ignorant statement? (never mind - I don't even want the answer to that question.)
While some might see the new system as first-class treatment for a paying few, analysts said this model will drive future advances in screening technology as those willing to pay for convenience spur development of machines that will eventually be used by all. It's a trend toward greater privatization of security technology development with the government taking the role of regulator.

anart said:
First Class treatment - ooooo - now I wanna do it -- :rolleyes: -- they are not paying for convenience - they are paying to be tagged like cattle and scanned and sniffed like grocery items
"The kiosks are going to fundamentally change aviation security," said Matthew Farr, senior homeland security analyst for consulting firm Frost & Sullivan. "Up to now, you've been relying on the government. The government has been extremely slow to adapt to the next generation of security technology."

But experts can't predict when GE Security's latest technology will become commonplace because there are several obstacles standing in the way of widespread deployment. And there have been setbacks in similar programs -- for example, further rollout of GE Security's "puffer" machine, which inspects passengers for explosives residue at 37 airports, was recently suspended because of reliability concerns.

"It's going to be a long time because the technology is expensive and it's immature," said Tom LaTourrette, a physical scientist with the RAND Corp. "The shoes aren't that big a part of (the screening process)."

anart said:
Remember this 'technology is expensive and immature' comment from mister honesty from RAND Corporation.
Unisys Corp. and EDS Corp., competitors of Verified Identity Pass, have participated in pilot projects at several other airports. All three companies are vying for business after the TSA transferred to the private sector the administration of its Registered Traveler program. Registered Traveler was authorized by Congress five years ago to give frequent travelers a more predictable, quicker screening experience.

anart said:
Yes, a 'predictable, quicker screening experience' - they have every last bit of data on who these people are - the people who paid for the priveledge of the biometric ids - and they still need the full screening experience - what a deal!
Verified hopes to expand the Orlando program to 20 airports by the end of the year. With the TSA's recent approval of the shoe scanner developed in a cross-licensing agreement between GE Security -- a subsidiary of General Electric Co. -- and Australia-based QRSciences, Verified hopes many additional travelers will sign up at the $100 yearly fee.

anart said:
hmmm - an Australian connection - and, oh, yes, please, more travelers, pay your hundred bucks to get your biometric id. Privacy? Pardon? Personal privacy? I'm not familiar with that term - not from around here are you?
Verified's customers still have to walk through a metal detector and place their bags in the X-ray machine, but the company says its 30,000 Orlando customers -- and another 5,000 who have signed up in advance for the programs at the four other airports -- are a testament to its quicker screening process.

anart said:
Yes, even though we know your bloodtype and what movies you rent each week - yep even those 'adult' ones - we still get a kick out of making you walk through a metal detector and going through your bags - you might have some lip balm on you that could hurt someone!
Simon Bedford, QRSciences vice president of business development, said the shoe scanner applies old technology -- quadrupole resonance --that was used in the Vietnam War to detect land mines.

anart said:
Hey! - remember that comment from mister honestly of RAND Corporation? "It's going to be a long time because the technology is expensive and it's immature." - yeah, it's expensive and immature alright - only been around since the Vietnam War
The shoe scanner uses AM radio waves to resonate the molecules inside shoes, creating a frequency that is unique to particular types of molecules. The device then compares the frequency to those of a range of substances, deciding if the traveler is just wearing shoes or something that could be an explosive. Al-Qaida operative Richard Reid tried to blow up a Paris to Miami flight using a shoe bomb in 2001, but he couldn't get it lit before a flight attendant and passengers subdued him.

Citing security reasons, GE Security and QRSciences won't talk specifically about how the technology stacks up against the standard procedure of removing shoes and placing them on the X-ray machine. They point to TSA approval as validation.

anart said:
What? Validation of what?
"We're confident that the shoe scanner can screen shoes," said TSA spokesman Christopher White, declining to elaborate further.

anart said:
OH - that clears it up.
But it may be awhile before most travelers step onto the new shoe scanner.

First, GE Security's kiosks cost $200,000 each, making them too expensive for the government to buy for widespread use. Farr, the analyst, said the kiosk itself may never be adopted for use on the general public, but its components will likely be deployed piecemeal.

anart said:
$200,000 each is too expensive and we're spending how many billions per WEEK to kill innocents in the Middle East - yeah - that makes perfect sense - don't worry, the $100 per person should cover the cost pretty quickly.
Another obstacle, Farr said, is the current requirement of a background check and biometric card. For the mass traveling public to accept the process, the machines will need to be able to read driver's licenses, which differ from state to state. For the system to work, a traveler's card needs to work at every machine at every airport.

anart said:
Well, he mentioned the biometric card as an obstacle, but didn't say why it would be one - hmmm - and, then the old 'state driver's liscenses differ' deal - heck, everyone will soon (1-27-07, I think) be required to have a passport to travel out of the country at all - so we don't even need a national id - will already have one - so no worries - the id to scan the shoes is taken care of - I assume that the id has to be worn on the feet then?
Another consideration: The widespread use of technology may threaten the jobs of many TSA screeners -- a difficult pill to swallow for a government bureaucracy trying to compete for funding, Farr said.

anart said:
Ahahahaaahahahahaaaa - sorry - but for a government who has financed the out-sourcing of millions of jobs through corporate tax breaks, the idea that a few hundred thousand TSA employess might be put out work will surely keep them up at night. For god's sake - is there any sanity left in this country at all?
 
I'm sorry, but this image popped into my head as I read your post.

If they are willing to pay $100.00 to make sure no one is carrying a bomb in their shoe, why, they would probably be willing to say.... pay $200.00 to have a body orfice "probed" with a device that will check for bombs and be able to tell if you have a communicable and 'dangerous" disease and let you know if you are a danger to the public. Ya!!!!


For those that aren't sure about me. It's a sick joke.

Tarri
 
anart said:
"Wouldn't it have been nice if they had that system in Denver right now?" said painting contractor John Fox as he traveled from Florida to his snow-walloped, jam-packed home airport recently. Even though he only flies about three times a year, he said he would sign up if Denver's airport got the program. "It's giving up a little privacy for efficiency. I'm all for it."
This sounds just like a paid advertisement, doesn't it?

Back when the gas was still at the $1.50 per gallon mark, I can remember on the radio I heard people being interviewed by the news and saying that they would pay up to $3.00 a gallon for gas (this is in the u.s.). That would be okay with them. And I thought, "You dummies! Sure, go ahead and let the PTB know that $3.00 is okay. And if that's 'okay' than they can probably get even more without a protest." Geesh! How stupid are we? Never mind.

But, yep, just one step close to no privacy at all. Or are we already there?
 
I just had a thought, and I thought I'd share it. I apologize if it has already been mentioned somewhere else...

This whole terrorism "business" is, well, turning into a BUSINESS! These "security" companies are REALLY bringing in the big bucks now. We hear about these "scanners" now, BIO-ID's, national ID cards, etc. Just like Cheney's Halliburton, for example, and the spoils of the Iraq War. They're literally FEEDING on the people's fear, aren't they?

They're not only taking away our privacy, they're making us PAY to give them our identities - all because we're SCARED of the big, bad government-issued "terrorists." I have to hand it to them (NOT my privacy) - this is a pretty clever plan, indeed. All under the veil...
 
Has anyone had their passport scanned upon departure, or is this just an Australian thing?

This happened to me in 2003 and 2004.

I've also had my drivers license scanned at a Christmas party in 2003 when sigining into a Rugby League club in Sydney, this was for a Christmas party, I almost didn't go in because I wasn't sure about someone holding my data. I relented realising the concept of "privacy" is a popular myth.

The scanned license provided a temporary membership card with all my details including a photo.
 
Johnno said:
Has anyone had their passport scanned upon departure, or is this just an Australian thing?

This happened to me in 2003 and 2004.

I've also had my drivers license scanned at a Christmas party in 2003 when sigining into a Rugby League club in Sydney, this was for a Christmas party, I almost didn't go in because I wasn't sure about someone holding my data. I relented realising the concept of "privacy" is a popular myth.

The scanned license provided a temporary membership card with all my details including a photo.
A few years ago I had my driver's license scanned (mag strip reader) to rent a tool from one of those rental center places and I was surprised to see how much info is on that little magnetic strip. Nothing that a magnet wouldn't erase though, I suspect.

All the internet scamming/fraud taking place is leading somewhere too...
 
I had my passport scanned in Denver (followed by the scanner person calling another woman over to see what was on her screen). No idea what information came up and, quite frankly, I was afraid to ask - was just relieved when they handed it back - it was probably nothing, but for a second or two there, I wasn't sure whether I'd be flying or not.
 
I found the following commentary in another forum:
I finished watching the Channel 4 doco Suspect Nation: Surveillance Society

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15736.htm

At the end the Channel 4 reporter goes to see a computer security expert,
and he discovered the security expert had done the following six things:

1. he had intercepted video footage from public street cameras of the reporter
Walking through SOHO, London. He points out these same cameras are used
INSIDE buildings, so he could similarly steal video from private spaces also.

2. he had located the reporter's presence at a meeting via a GPS phone
That the person he was meeting with had carried with them, and then used
A scanner to locate him exactly

3. he had 'bugged' his conversation via getting the GPS blue-tooth phone
To ring his laptop and eavesdrop/record his conversation

4. he had stolen an e-mail that the reporter sent from his laptop on his
Wireless computer network

5. he had written software to read his son's new British passport which has
An embedded RFID chip, without even opening the passport

And sixthly, he scanned the reporter's RFID microchip embedded in his right bicep
And read the unique 16 digit number, and claimed that he could now program that Number into a similar chip he had bought over the Internet. In other words, this is identity theft - to a machine reader, he could become the reporter!

And he claimed that anyone with some computer know-how and access to
Readily available scanning technologies etc. can do these things.
 
anart said:
I had my passport scanned in Denver (followed by the scanner person calling another woman over to see what was on her screen). No idea what information came up.
Probably the annotation that you're human, which might have stunned the robotic workers.

"Pssst, look at this - there's no model number, no manufacturing date, nothing. She was born!"

"Warn the others. This one can think."

LOL ! :lol:
 
Johnno said:
Has anyone had their passport scanned upon departure, or is this just an Australian thing?...
anart said:
I had my passport scanned in Denver (followed by the scanner person calling another woman over to see what was on her screen). No idea what information came up and, quite frankly, I was afraid to ask - was just relieved when they handed it back - it was probably nothing, but for a second or two there, I wasn't sure whether I'd be flying or not.
I can say for sure that Chile and Argentina do passport scans on exit as each, like most countries down here have official exit immigration formalities. The USA is a little more sneaky as they do not have an official exit process but use the travel companies to front for them instead for their "do not allow to fly/ship out/exit the country" alerts and screening. Once the US completes the implementation of the passport only travel rule for Canada, Mexico and the Caribe and institutes a uniform standard for State DLs/IDs, the lockdown and control process will be complete.

As I have been saying for 5+ years, get out while you still can.
 
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