Silent, secretive sect unleashes public relations campaign

alwyn

Padawan Learner
<quote>SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) — Before authorities raided their west Texas retreat, members of a secretive polygamous church spent decades holding as tightly to their intense privacy as the Scriptures guiding their way of life.

Contact with outsiders was limited. Media inquiries were rejected with either stone-faced silence or a polite "no comment."

But after Texas officials removed 416 children belonging to members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the sect fired up the public relations machine.<end/quote>

I posted this on my blog earlier today: From: http://quantumpeace.blogspot.com/

Here in the states, over in God Fearin' Texas in the USofA , we are hearing reports about some 400 odd children who are currently languishing in the custody of the Law through having been judicially separated from their mothers. The children were the progeny of an offshoot of the Mormon religion —FLDS; apparently their fathers believed in (among other things) multiple wives, and marrying younger girls to older men. The story is that a teenage girl called out for help, saying she was forced to wed an older man against her will, and have two children by him by the age of 15. The compound was raided, fathers were carted off to jail, and the mothers and children were staying in custody for awhile. I can heartily agree with breaking this sort of thing up; early (and forced) marriage is certainly not respecting a child's right to both come of age and have a choice in one's life-partner. However, it was recently decided to separate the mothers and children—for their own good, of course. Some of the clearly devastated mothers broke long-standing traditions of years of social isolation to come onto TV to talk about being torn away from their kids. From what I understand of the situation, many of the mothers were born into that system, and were also abused by it. Does it make sense to punish these women by taking away their children? Isn't this a little like blaming the victim?

It makes no sense whatsoever to separate a mother and child, if both are victims of trauma. These people, who have been raised to believe that outsiders are a threat to their way of life, will certainly not feel any better about this society, especially since it's fundamental fears have now been newly-founded, as it were. I fear we may find that there is more trouble created as a reaction to this poorly planned intervention—when you separate a loving mother from a loved child, you just create more damage to the psyches of both, and this can in no way be considered a positive effect. If society truly has a better way, surely we can properly educate these now doubly traumatized families. If you must heal the children, you must not steal the children; rather we must find a way to heal these bonds by nurturing both mother and child together. We must certainly educate their men about genetics, at the very least! We must educate them to respect a woman's choice, and a woman's value. It is only in this way that the cycle of abuse and violence is broken.


It is an ancient Chinese wisdom passed down from healer to healer— in order to heal the son, you must treat the mother. To cure the daughter, you must heal the father. You don't treat a mother by ripping her away from her child, any more than you treat a child by ripping it away from it's mother. Pornographic perpetrators of violence do these things. Enlightened societies do not. An enlightened society will treat mother and child, father and daughter. An enlightened society will stand close enough to monitor both relationships; if there is a fear of harm, they will be present to guide and lead by example into a better life. If succor is needed for the child, it is needed for the parents as well, and the parent child bond should be sacred.

If a 'so called' society insists on irrevocably altering this fundamental relationship, it will do so to it's peril; there is a natural backlash that occurs as the displaced children come of age, and it is these psychically fractured and emotionally traumatized children who are easily swayed into acts of violence and mayhem, and are easy prey for cannon fodder for the corporate wars of state.

Nazis, fascists and other totalitarians always attack this fundamental familial bond, for that is the bedrock of the corporate, as opposed to the natural state. The child's natural bond is to family, and the family's to the child. The fascist graft can only succeed when this core value is subverted. When you rip a family apart, you commit psychic rape and torture. When you go to war, it's manifestly physical rape and torture. The looks of the traumatized are glamorously portrayed, like Princess Di, or Brittany Spears, or kept to lower corners of the paper, another statistic of Iraqi orphaned, or splashed across the headlines, like the FLDS. The traumatized can be made to switch this subverted allegiance to the state or other authority, but it still doesn't make it ethical, or even Right. (That's why we Left, for the jokester activists among ya.).

An enlightened society would not compound the error that the issue addressed in the first place; If these people needed help, then so be it, it is societies' long stated duty to help them, but these women needed rescue, they did not need to lose their children, and have their social virginity (like their physical virginity) sacrificed to fear one more time.

History will judge the success of a society based upon how it treated it's citizens, it's children, and it's resources. (Surely we will be judged as fools for a long time to come, if current events are any indication. Surely there is still time to alter our fundamental condition of folly). Jesus, who is held up as a mark of behavior in Texas, said "suffer the little children to come unto me." I think that meant we should look out for the kids. "What you do to the least of them, you do to me also". I think that means look out for the parents, or the poor and traumatized. I'm pretty sure that "I give you dominion over all the earth" doesn't mean 'I made you the final arbiter and overlord in this life and the next'. Dominion is derived from 'Lord's property' , so we're rather caretakers, aren't we? So, we could very well ask 'how well do you keep your valleys that shelter you? How well do you keep the people who are around you?' We are all linked together on this little tiny ship of Life, our Titanic, as it were. We still have time to slow down our ship of state, or step back from the precipice, and make sure we act in keeping with these fundamental commandments—which all major religions of both the East and West claim sacred . We must keep these commandments at the peril of our Souls, or so we are told. Perhaps we need more than lip service?

Over in Palestine and Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan, life is a little more stark— there's bombs and madness to contend with. They lose their children every day in ways I can't even begin to comprehend. Surely we can approach these conflicts with the same intent. Heal the children, heal the mothers, heal the fathers. Heal by grouping together, and upholding the family unit, not by separating it and causing more chaos with separation, with guns and warfare.

The aboriginals of Australia reputedly tell a tale of Time, which stretches back in their oral tradition for a span of 30,000 years or so. They say one day a rift opened in the sky, and these 'interdimensional beings' came pouring through, and this is where our troubles started, and this is the cause of our wars. It's an interesting story, and bears some thought. What if it were true? What if beings that we couldn't really quite see were masquerading here on earth? What if they could only influence hearts and minds? What better way to conquer than to create situations to get the native inhabitants of the world to look at each other, as if each were the enemy? What better way to ineradicably alter an environment than by the wholesale and misbegotten production of war? There is a war on, it just may not be the one we think we are in.

When will this madness stop? When will we stop it? Is it really so hard, to take care of the children? Surely we can all agree to this. Surely we can find a better way. There's still a little time, and still a little place, a time to Stop, and think about it. Take the mother from the child? No, that leads to war. That's so old hat. Don't you know, in a more enlightened society, they take care of the women and children first. Not just your child, not just my child, but all the children, now, all the mothers now, and all the world in time. This is our dominion, this is our care, and this is our keeping.

We can lay down our weapons, and join our arms

In quantum peace
 
This event also illustrates how hypocritical religious fervor can be.
In this case, a fetish revolving around the Bible is involved.

On the one hand, this Mormon sect retreats from the world and applies Biblical principles to its lifestyle.
If I remember correctly, doesn't Christian folklore imply that Mary was around 14 years old when she married Joseph, who was quite a bit older?
Polygamy was practiced by many "holy" men in the Bible, including King David.
Even the New Testament declares that women are subject to men as men are subject to "Jesus".

On the other hand, other Christians berate Mormon sects like this as "cults", while at the same time preaching that the outside world is evil and should be rejected and shunned.

Well, these Mormon folks have done just that.

The non-Mormon Christian sects can't wait to get their hands on these children and indoctrinate them "properly".
And since they are now "free", these children can also be exposed to all the "evil" of the outside world, including TV, video games, and secular customs.
The same Christians that want the children to be saved from this "cult" are hypocrites.
They simply want to exchange one form of indoctrination for another.
I'll bet there are Christian counselors crawling all over these kids, making sure they are properly re-programmed.
 
alwyn said:
However, it was recently decided to separate the mothers and children—for their own good, of course. Some of the clearly devastated mothers broke long-standing traditions of years of social isolation to come onto TV to talk about being torn away from their kids. From what I understand of the situation, many of the mothers were born into that system, and were also abused by it. Does it make sense to punish these women by taking away their children? Isn't this a little like blaming the victim?
These are exactly my thoughts on the subject. The initial report should have been treated as pervasive domestic abuse, not child abuse. The girl-whistleblower was 16 and legally married, she is technically a minor but for all practical purposes emancipated. The mothers should have been removed together with their children and placed together in domestic violence shelters. There, they all could have received a REAL deprogramming, and be on to more adjusted life, still together.

Many of those kids may never come back to their parents again, and I highly doubt that foster care system will be better for them. As I remember vaguely, this same cult has been raided in the past, the children taken away, and the results were disastrous: children failed to adjust and had returned back into the cult when they grew up.

The situation IMO was extremely poorly handled; all this hoopla and public discussions that split the society apart could easily have been avoided if a wiser decision were taken. I wonder whether THAT was the real point of it all -- to distract everyone from something more sinister afoot.
 
This, I think, is the worst:


http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/

Today in court Judge Barbara Walther said sure, breast milk is best for babies, and yes, nursing helps them bond with their mothers but in this country mothers routinely go back to work six weeks after delivering a baby.

In other words, toughen up. There will be, Walther said, no concession for the FLDS ladies who are nursing. Once Texas gets its DNA samples from them and their children, the mothers will be sent home. It is hard enough to find homes for infants, the judge said, without adding a mother to the mix.

Proponents of breast-feeding acted swiftly after hearing about the judge's refusal to step in and let FLDS mothers who are nursing stay with their infants and toddlers.

Nicole Hoff of Texas immediately put together a blog site to rally support for the FLDS mothers. And other women helped spread the word. I got an email about Hoff's Web site from Ruth Bell.

Ruth said: ''Separating unweaned babies from their breastfeeding mothers hits a nerve because it is so barbaric and unnecessary. It crosses the line of human decency and compassion and in no way aids the goal of emancipating them from an 'oppressive' society.''
This is CRUELTY to the victims.
 
I live near San Antonio and occasionally watch the TV news. These past few years has seen several instances of CPS workers leaving children in homes that upon investigation, showed clear signs of physical abuse. The CPS workers report that "removing children is a serious issue", that "leaving a child with its family is less traumatic than removing them" and so are reluctant to remove children from a home...those children are now dead.

Yet, solely on the word of one young woman, CPS removes over 400 children without any investigation first.
 
Yes, taking these babies away from their mothers IS adding cruelty to the suffering of the VICTIMS. And we need to keep in mind that these women ARE victims of pathological males. Have a look at this:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/154693-What-We-re-Not-Talking-About-Part-I-Other-Issues-With-the-FLDS

What We're Not Talking About, Part I: Other Issues With the FLDS
by Sara Robinson
Orcinus

FLDS founding patriarch Rulon Jeffs with his last two wives -- sisters Edna and Mary Fischer -- on their wedding day. He received the pair as a 90th birthday present.

rulon_jeffs.jpg


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So far, the wall-to-wall news coverage of the state of Texas's raid on the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-Day Saints compound in Eldorado, TX has been focused on just a couple of narratives. The first, of course, is the state's dogged and thorough -- and long overdue -- attempt to prove that the church's young women have been systemically sexually abused by the men of the group; and that this abuse is not just rare, but rather an inherent and accepted feature of the group's social order.

The other is the cultural curiosity of the sect's women in general. We see them, looking like they just walked out of the 1890s in their bizarre high hairdos, pastel prairie dresses, and sturdy shoes, and wonder how such a group of fossils (let alone tens of thousands of them) could still exist in modern America. It makes for great TV; but I often look at these women (most of whom have never watched TV in their lives), and feel like they're lambs being dragged out in front of media wolves they've never learned to recognize or fear. In a world when all of us seem to be in permanent rehearsal for our own 15 minutes of fame, these women are so unprepared for all this that they're downright fascinating.

These are the two current storylines the media is focused on -- at least, so far. In time, though, if the reporters and investigators stick around, they might find other things to talk about. A careful reading of Daphne Bramham's excellent The Secret Lives of Saints reveals that there are plenty of other questions we should be asking about the FLDS -- and months worth of stories we're not hearing about right now, but which need to be discussed and generally understood if the country is going to deal with the group appropriately and effectively.

And the country will be dealing with it -- probably for quite some time to come. Throughout its 60-year history, the FLDS has dealt with prosecution (or persecution) by seeding itself into new states, laying down roots for new communities that it can migrate to. (Eldorado itself started out as one of these.) New compounds are coming together now in Idaho and South Dakota; and there are rumors of others being staked out in Colorado and Nevada as well. Hildale/Colorado City may have been effectively taken over by the state of Utah, and Eldorado is in crisis; but with somewhere between 40,000 and 100,000 adherents, this is a group that's not going to pass from the American scene any time soon.

One of the things we need to understand is just how the FLDS managed to stay so far under the radar for so long -- and what twisted consequences were allowed to follow from that lack of oversight. Bramham shows that they did a stunningly effective job of building their own self-sufficient infrastructure of community institutions -- hospitals, police forces, courts, financial trusts, schools, and employers -- that allowed the church to function without interacting with the outside world any more than necessary. Most of the group's institutions were designed to mimic and supplant outside authority well enough to keep the group (and especially its treatment of women and children) hidden from the prying eyes of outsiders. And, for 60 years, those who were responsible for providing higher-level oversight for all these institutions have almost always been somehow induced to look the other way.

In the existing FLDS communities in Utah and Arizona, state authorities have already begun investigations on many of these fronts -- not least because they are the stuff on which further legal battles, and the future of the sect, may turn. However, keeping the FLDS at bay in the years ahead will require county, state, and professional authorities everywhere in North America to stop averting their eyes, stay on their toes, and show a strong willingness to challenge these attempts to build this kind of sheltering infrastructure.

And there are other, less obvious reasons we need to be keeping an eye on them, too. Here's the first half of my motley list -- a few assorted areas of interest I'd be poking at more deeply, along with questions I'd be asking, were I a New York Times front-pager, a TV talking head, or a public official in any county or state where the FLDS has set up camp. The list is long, so I'll discuss a few today, and then follow up with the rest by Wednesday.

For-Prophet Health Care

FLDS communities put a priority on providing as much health care inside the community as possible, so they're not dependent on outside medical professionals. (To this end, pregnant mothers have often been sent to Hildale or Bountiful in their last months, so they can be attended by the FLDS midwives there.) Hildale/Colorado City has its own hospital -- built partly with public funds -- that has employed only doctors and nurses who have pledged their first loyalty to the Prophet.

As a result, the group's women and children get much of their primary care from people who feel no accountability to established medical standards of practice, state record-keeping requirements, or any of the existing mandated reporter laws. (Most people in these communities have no idea these laws even exist.) The spotty record-keeping that results is why the state of Texas has made the wise decision to do DNA testing on all the kids: it cannot be taken for granted that their birth certificates are accurate (or, in some places, exist at all).

The FLDs has also co-opted mental health services into another form of wife abuse. In Hildale/Colorado City, FLDS doctors have proven quite willing to declare unhappy women crazy. Daphne Bramham found that up to a third of FLDS women are on anti-depressants; and that women who are express acute dissatisfaction with the life have often been committed to mental hospitals in Arizona by the community's doctors. According to Bramham, the fear of being labeled insane and shut away in an institution is one of the most potent threats the community has used to keep women in their place.

Of course, this misuse of mental health care has turned into one non-obvious but critically important cultural land mine for the Texas authorities who are trying to figure out how to deal with their FLDS wards. Along with everything else, they're trying to work with women who've learned to see mental health evaluations as tantamount to an incarceration threat -- are thus predisposed to regard gentile doctors or social workers as a mortal enemy. It's not making things easier.

Based on this long history, counties and states that find themselves hosting FLDS compounds need to be keeping a close eye on how these communities manage health care. Who provides it? Are they keeping good records? Are they following the law? Do they adhere to accepted standards of care? Are they holding the line as our first line of defense against child abuse -- or are they helping the community hide its abusive secrets? If the state officials in charge of supervising hospitals and doctors had stepped up and asked these questions decades ago, thousands of women and children might have been spared generations of abuse.

Cops and Courts: No Law But God's Law

Much of the power of the prophets has been drawn from the fact that they historically controlled both the cops and the courts that served the Hildale/Colorado City area. Though these were officially chartered law enforcement agencies and nominally public courts, they weren't concerned with civil law. Instead, their task was to enforce the law according to the FLDS and its Prophet. The people in these communities had no effective recourse to the laws the rest of us live under. They could be arrested, fined, jailed, and have their property seized by nominally "official" cops and courts, acting under full authority of civil government, for violating church laws.

Like African-Americans in the slavery era, women who tried to run were captured by these police and returned to their husbands for punishment -- or taken to the hospital for the dreaded mental health evaluation. The police force's main job is to be the muscle that enforces the Prophet's control of the entire community. When the Prophet decides that a man no longer deserves his home, these are the cops who enforce the eviction. Appealing to the FLDS judges has been useless: due process as we understand it doesn't even enter into the conversation.

There is progress on this front. The state of Utah began to move against the Hildale police force in 2005, revoking the certification of its polygamous chief. Sam Roundy admitted that he'd investigated over 25 sexual abuse cases in the past decade -- including one that involved the rape of an eight-year-old -- and never reported it to child protection authorities. (He pleaded ignorance of all mandated reporter laws.) However, Roundy was replaced with another polygamous officer who immediately sent Warren Jeffs a letter pledging his loyalty, and I found no word that he's left office since. Later that year, the Utah Supreme Court also disbarred the local polygamous judge, which paved the way for reform of the local courts.

But the Saints are now in many places besides Utah; and officials in these other states shouldn't be surprised if they try to hijack cops and courts and replicate this system wherever they go. In Utah, decades of failure to attend to this effectively deprived tens of thousands of people of their civil rights. It can't be allowed to happen again.

Death Among the FLDS

These communities also bury their own dead (and at least one has its own crematorium), which opens the way to record-keeping anomalies with death certificates -- and ensures that no questions will ever be asked, and no autopsies will ever be performed. Given the genetic instability and volatile control issues within this group, it may not be wise for them to have the means to dispose of dead bodies without official oversight. We need to be asking questions about who's in their cemeteries and crematoria, how they got there, and what kinds of records are being kept.

The Fatal Flaw: Inbreeding Takes Its Toll

One of the most striking things about the FLDS is that certain surnames -- Jeffs, Blackmore, Fischer, Jessop, Barlow, Steed -- occur over and over again. In a community of over 40,000 people -- many of whom share fathers, grandfathers, or uncles -- the degree of blood relationship between any two people is likely to be very close indeed. In fact, over half the people in Hildale/Colorado City are blood relatives. So it's not surprising that, starting in 1980, the tragic results of three generations of tight inbreeding began to appear.

That was the year the first Colorado City child was diagnosed with fumarase deficiency -- a genetic disease so rare that only a handful of cases had ever been diagnosed worldwide. The disease causes severe mental retardation, seizures, hydroencephaly, growth failure, and physical deformities. Two of the FLDS's old-line families, the Barlows and the Jessops, both carry the recessive gene -- which is now present in several thousand FLDS members who trace their descent to those two founding fathers. By the 1990, Bramham writes, the twin FLDS cities had the highest concentration of children with fumarase deficiency in the world.

There are also signs of widespread hereditary eye problems among the current crop of children, along with evidence that that the community has a higher-than-average infant mortality rate. Arizona coroners recently -- and finally -- got involved in investigating these. But there's plenty more here for public health officials to look at; and it's becoming clear that the custom of close intermarriage needs to end on genetic grounds alone.

In the next post, I'll cover a few more reasons that the FLDS should never again be allowed to operate without close oversight from the outside world.
 
<< ... several instances of CPS workers leaving children in homes that upon investigation, showed clear signs of physical abuse. Yet, solely on the word of one young woman, CPS removes over 400 children without any investigation first. >>

There are loads of articles you can find on the allegedly vigorous abuse of power that CPS itself perpetrates. It would seem an ideal job for a petty tyrants and power-trippers. Talk-show types and people like Alan Watt have mentioned this a lot, claiming that it is deliberate as part of a long-running scheme to break down families, disintegrate society, create human cannon fodder, keep crime up, etc. If true, it's not surprising that, conversely, CPS would indeed leave kids in bad homes that are already "broken" somehow. The situation often makes me wonder if there was a wider context when the C's said, "Each earth year 10 % more children are taken." (Session 940716)
 
Another instance of a system that could be used for good but has been corrupted. I did spend 3 years working as a social services worker with Texas CPS and many of the case workers (lower level workers) do want to do good. However, they are over worked with very high caseloads and are severely underpaid.

And, get this, (unless things have changed), the state of Texas does require a Bachelor's degree to be a caseworker, but this degree does not have to be in a related field. A person with an English degree can be a case worker. A person with 10 years experience in social services does not qualify unless they have a bachelor's degree in something, anything.
 
Update Re: Silent, secretive sect unleashes public relations campaign

I just heard on the San Antonio TV news that this debacle cost $12 million to house the children. So much money (not counting any legal fees, etc) on such a debacle.
 
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