Snowflakes

Zaphod

Jedi
I watch a lot of JBP and a theory he came up with recently got me thinking. I get annoyed with the constant attention to what I can say, or what I can't say. I'm approaching 50, and I'll be darned if some brat is going to have any say at all in the language I use or, when and how I use it. Freedom of speech, as far as I'm concerned, is not a random value we just live by in the west, it's a sacrosanct aspect of how the west is responsible for almost the entirety of societal achievement and development for the past 200 years. To interfere with that, is dangerous - and that's not a viewpoint I'm giving up any time soon. Let the bad ideas be incinerated in the crucible of unfettered critical analysis - everyone wins

I first got on the internet in the early to mid-nineties and I remember the culture of that time - you do not expose your identity. You use pseudonyms, even if it's always the same one, you don't go anywhere using your true name. Well, that's all now in reverse and I'm the oddity for still living by that creed. Well known social media sites won't even let you join if they have any reason to even suspect, that you aren't providing your real identity.

Well, this development gives rise to the situation, that the likes of my generation were so determined to protect ourselves against: that things we say online can be used as weapons to our detriment.

It's all moved far beyond that with the fact that everyone is now carrying a camera, and an internet connection in their pocket. For instance, parties are no longer the fun and slightly dangerous engagements that I remember - they are now anodyne and sterile. Where there used to be outrageous events, there is now people filming and photographing nothing happening.

And I'm not surprised at this development. I don't go to parties any more because of Facebook. Facebook has ensured that not only is it highly unlikely that I'm ever going to run in to the interesting people and events any more, that made parties worthwhile in the first place - but also that I can't be that person or create those events either. The focus has changed from engaging with outrage, to recording outrage. It's recorded for the rest of your life, for people to use as a method to critically attack your character at their leisure. I think 'anti-social media' may be a more accurate description since I can't think that there's a better reason to stop engaging than: I don't know what the rules are now, and I don't know what they will be in the future either - what I'm saying and doing is never going away, and I have bills to pay.

But I see this because I'm an old fogey who grew up in a world where none of this was true - where what I did or said at a party was forgotten a week later and it certainly wouldn't destroy my future - and I rail against the dying light of the meaningful and enjoyable social engagement that dynamic provided. But for the up and coming generations, this stifling dynamic is all they've known. They've been on social media since their age was in single figures and know full well the impact of being bullied and destroyed for something they posted online.

So I have to say, I'm reconsidering my position on the younger generations. Maybe I'd be watching every damn thing I say, if I'd grown up in a culture where one badly formed idea could destroy my position - and be brought up 10 years later as a reason I should no longer have a job, or a marriage. And if I am forced to live by that code, well then so is everyone else going to be. Language is policed in the online world, and as the delineation between online and offline grows ever more vague, it's to be expected that this is now extending outside online communities, and in to 'real life'

I think I get it - thanks again to JBP. I get it, but I hate it and I don't have a solution
 
Hello Zaphod, I know how you feel, I was born in the wrong half of the last century. In fact I'm so old it doesn't really matter what I say, so I can be myself online. One thing I did do was to take my actual face (that's me on the left) off of Facebook, seeing as they are into digital face recognition and track you everywhere you go. I also don't use my fancy phone for anything except as a phone, or sometimes a camera. I still use my PC for everything else, but connect via cable, not WiFi.
It has become a strange world to live in, it's quite funny to watch other people walking about with their heads bowed to their smart phones, or with them glued to their faces. I don't feel the need to be constantly in touch with other people.
The solution will be forced onto people, one day, when the power is cut off.
No more battery charging, OMG, we'll actually have to talk to real people!
Back to reality.
 
I watch a lot of JBP and a theory he came up with recently got me thinking. I get annoyed with the constant attention to what I can say, or what I can't say. I'm approaching 50, and I'll be darned if some brat is going to have any say at all in the language I use or, when and how I use it. Freedom of speech, as far as I'm concerned, is not a random value we just live by in the west, it's a sacrosanct aspect of how the west is responsible for almost the entirety of societal achievement and development for the past 200 years. To interfere with that, is dangerous - and that's not a viewpoint I'm giving up any time soon. Let the bad ideas be incinerated in the crucible of unfettered critical analysis - everyone wins

I first got on the internet in the early to mid-nineties and I remember the culture of that time - you do not expose your identity. You use pseudonyms, even if it's always the same one, you don't go anywhere using your true name. Well, that's all now in reverse and I'm the oddity for still living by that creed. Well known social media sites won't even let you join if they have any reason to even suspect, that you aren't providing your real identity.

Well, this development gives rise to the situation, that the likes of my generation were so determined to protect ourselves against: that things we say online can be used as weapons to our detriment.

It's all moved far beyond that with the fact that everyone is now carrying a camera, and an internet connection in their pocket. For instance, parties are no longer the fun and slightly dangerous engagements that I remember - they are now anodyne and sterile. Where there used to be outrageous events, there is now people filming and photographing nothing happening.

And I'm not surprised at this development. I don't go to parties any more because of Facebook. Facebook has ensured that not only is it highly unlikely that I'm ever going to run in to the interesting people and events any more, that made parties worthwhile in the first place - but also that I can't be that person or create those events either. The focus has changed from engaging with outrage, to recording outrage. It's recorded for the rest of your life, for people to use as a method to critically attack your character at their leisure. I think 'anti-social media' may be a more accurate description since I can't think that there's a better reason to stop engaging than: I don't know what the rules are now, and I don't know what they will be in the future either - what I'm saying and doing is never going away, and I have bills to pay.

But I see this because I'm an old fogey who grew up in a world where none of this was true - where what I did or said at a party was forgotten a week later and it certainly wouldn't destroy my future - and I rail against the dying light of the meaningful and enjoyable social engagement that dynamic provided. But for the up and coming generations, this stifling dynamic is all they've known. They've been on social media since their age was in single figures and know full well the impact of being bullied and destroyed for something they posted online.

So I have to say, I'm reconsidering my position on the younger generations. Maybe I'd be watching every damn thing I say, if I'd grown up in a culture where one badly formed idea could destroy my position - and be brought up 10 years later as a reason I should no longer have a job, or a marriage. And if I am forced to live by that code, well then so is everyone else going to be. Language is policed in the online world, and as the delineation between online and offline grows ever more vague, it's to be expected that this is now extending outside online communities, and in to 'real life'

I think I get it - thanks again to JBP. I get it, but I hate it and I don't have a solution
You are not old for being 50 years old.

You have been driving your "vehicle" longer than "young" people, so you have more "wisdom" about how to drive and about the "unforeseen" of the road.

When a car no longer works, just ...:-)
 
But I see this because I'm an old fogey who grew up in a world where none of this was true - where what I did or said at a party was forgotten a week later and it certainly wouldn't destroy my future - and I rail against the dying light of the meaningful and enjoyable social engagement that dynamic provided.

I would call the above into question, as far as the real world is concerned (as opposed to the internet).

Media (be it social, alternate or mainstream) does not in general portray the real world objectively. That is because the real world is not 'one thing', each person, situation or event is different to the next (in the main) whereas 'media' looks to simplify and encapsulate the variety and diversity into a digestible thing (perhaps a consequence of the medium of media?). This is why I would call the above quote into question.

The outcome of any conversation you hold at a 'party' depends on who you hold it with and how you conduct yourself during the conversation. The above quote (at the top of this post) is not always true in today's world - one can argue that it may not even have always been true in yesterday's world. It comes down to context and who you interact with, how you interact. The media would have us believe that one thing is only true - todays world is bad, yesterdays was good or vice versa.

Lastly, a man approaching 50 is not an old fogey. ;-) The vast majority of the men who rule the world are somewhere between 40 - 60. I have read that in this bracket a man should be at his optimum peak around different aspects of his life (that is, assuming he lived life correctly) - experience, career, health and material accumulations should have converged in such a way as to make this 'peak' self-evident. With this view, one can hardly be described as an old fogey at age 49 / 50, at least objectively.

Just a different view on the matter.
 
About those Snowflakes.....

This was posted on a facebook page called "In Support of Jordan Peterson"
The sermon concerns one of my favorite sermons.
Here is an excerpt and the focus of the article:

This past week, I actually had a student come forward after a university chapel service and complain because he felt “victimized” by a sermon on the topic of 1 Corinthians 13. It appears this young scholar felt offended because a homily on love made him feel bad for not showing love. In his mind, the speaker was wrong for making him, and his peers, feel uncomfortable.

I’m not making this up. Our culture has actually taught our kids to be this self-absorbed and narcissistic. Any time their feelings are hurt, they are the victims. Anyone who dares challenge them and, thus, makes them “feel bad” about themselves, is a “hater,” a “bigot,” an “oppressor,” and a “victimizer.”

I have a message for this young man and all others who care to listen. That feeling of discomfort you have after listening to a sermon is called a conscience. An altar call is supposed to make you feel bad. It is supposed to make you feel guilty. The goal of many a good sermon is to get you to confess your sins—not coddle you in your selfishness. The primary objective of the Church and the Christian faith is your confession, not your self-actualization.

So here’s my advice:
If you want the chaplain to tell you you’re a victim rather than tell you that you need virtue, this may not be the university you’re looking for. If you want to complain about a sermon that makes you feel less than loving for not showing love, this might be the wrong place.
If you’re more interested in playing the “hater” card than you are in confessing your own hate; if you want to arrogantly lecture, rather than humbly learn; if you don’t want to feel guilt in your soul when you are guilty of sin; if you want to be enabled rather than confronted, there are many universities across the land (in Missouri and elsewhere) that will give you exactly what you want, but Oklahoma Wesleyan isn’t one of them.

At OKWU, we teach you to be selfless rather than self-centered. We are more interested in you practicing personal forgiveness than political revenge. We want you to model interpersonal reconciliation rather than foment personal conflict. We believe the content of your character is more important than the color of your skin. We don’t believe that you have been victimized every time you feel guilty and we don’t issue “trigger warnings” before altar calls.

Oklahoma Wesleyan is not a “safe place”, but rather, a place to learn: to learn that life isn’t about you, but about others; that the bad feeling you have while listening to a sermon is called guilt; that the way to address it is to repent of everything that’s wrong with you rather than blame others for everything that’s wrong with them. This is a place where you will quickly learn that you need to grow up.
This is not a day care. This is a university.
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