So, You Think You Know All About George W. Bush?

[Keenan]

"SUNNYVALE, CA --- Telling reporters and critics to 'stick to the issues that matter', Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush declined to answer questions Monday concerning his alleged involvement in a 1984 Brownsville, TX, mass murder, in which 17 people were ritualistically murdered and skinned.
'I will not stoop to discussing that,' said Bush during a campaign stop at a Bay Area software-packaging plant. 'We've got people across this country without health care, a broken educational system, taxes that are way too high, and all you want to talk about is something THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED 16 years ago? I'm sorry, but I find that offensive.' " (Emphasis added). (These people still don't have health care)
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George Bush, son of a billionaire, was living in one of the most impoverished areas of Texas in Brownsville, living nearby to and also inside the headquarters of the El Padrino Satanic Cult of which he allegedly was a member."


This article contains some embarassing disinfo. The part about Bush having been sole survivor of a mass murdering cult that killed and skinned 17 of its flock appears to be a joke. Whoever quoted that report which was datelined "Sunnyvale, CA" did not bother to check what original puplication it was from. I found the orignial article referencing that in the March 8 2000 edition of The Onion - a tongue and cheek style news parady publication. Here is the original report, "Bush 'Refuses To Dignify' Mass-Murder Allegations" http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28609. Somehow that slipped through the cracks - either someone was sloppy with their journalism skills, or it was intentional disinfo by someone in the chain.

This is a good reminder to be suspicious when an article allegedly quotes a news source, but does not name the news source is or provide a link or reference to be able to look up the original source.

Also, the line about “George Bush, son of a billionaire..." may be false. I am not aware that George H.W. Bush is a billionaire. It is difficult to find out what his net worth is, but most references I've seen about his net worth refer to him as a millionaire.

This article, "So, You Think You Know All About George W. Bush?" appears to have been originally posted on the Smoking Mirrors blogspot http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com. I question sites that actually treat crap like that seriously. They should have known better than to pass along part of an article from The Onion as if it was factual.

 

[Mr. Premise]

There may be a greater than zero probability that GHW Bush is not a billionaire but probably not much greater than zero. ;)

With these guys, published net worth stats are completely misleading. After GHW Bush left the presidency he made a billion dollar donation (granted it was over a number of years) to Yale even though his net worth was in the hundreds of millions at the time.

With those guys, "making" money can be taken literally! And they have all kinds of off-shore, off-books holdings stashed all over the place. Where else would the billion dollar bribes go?

 

[Cyre2067]

I dunno Keenan, I thought like you thought - that this stuff was just too outrageous to be true, and then i started following the links...

After about a half hour i thought i was going to vomit. A lot of this stuff is documented, it's been to various courts here and there, but never really gets any media attention (surprise!). There's been a handful of stories and this link gathers a bunch of em together regarding the one that got attention: _http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a1443.htm

I didn't find any mention of the satanic cult-like stuff, but there is all kinds of references to pedophilia, child-sex parties, a mysterious snuff film made by Hunter S Thompson in which a boy was gang-raped and then shot in the head. There's some other references to Larry King - that guy always gave me a weird vibe, even across TV.... so i wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater here.

Then there's this:

Which was on the front page of the Post 6/29/89.

So if you're interested in the truth you might wanna do a bit more investigation before you cast the whole thing aside as disinfo....

 

[Keenan]

So if you're interested in the truth you might wanna do a bit more investigation before you cast the whole thing aside as disinfo....

I wasn't casting the whole thing aside, just the part from the Onion about Bush being the sole survivor of a cult that killed and skinned its flock.

Believe me, I've gone down the rabbit hole regarding the Franklin cover-up, the international child sex slave rings, CIA connected satanic cults, etc. I have Dave McGowan's book, "Programmed to Kill", which is enough to give you nightmares.

I just think we need to be carefull about not falling into the trap of being too gullible about the most outrageous attrocity stories that have no evidence and may be used to discredit real attrocity stories, or may be used for other agendas. Remember the Nuremburg sharade in which all the ridiculous attrocity stories bout the Nazis were fabricated - lamp shades made out of jewish skin, soap made out of jewish victims, the gas chambers, shrunken heads claimed to be the head of jewish victims but were actually from the Amazon, etc.?

Oh, and then there was the babies being thrown out of incubators story about the evil Iraqis...

The point is to be aware of the real evil of psychopaths and what they are up to, but at the same time not being to gullible to believe in anything to the point where we don't maintain journalistic integrity and then set ourselves up to be discredited.

 

[avendui]

Bush was not the only member of that cult to survive. The founder Aldolfo de Jesus Costanzo and his girlfriend Sara Villereal continued their killing spree until 89 I believe. Some of their hunting parties sound a bit like Donkey Dick's parties in Cathy Obrien's book.

Costanzo and his creeps are pretty well documented. The problem with the story about Bush being involved is that it all seems to trace to the same Sunnyvale article. This is an article about reporters asking him about the killing. Where is the original article about the killings?

Where is the original? I am sure the Brownsville papers would be full of news. Does anyone have them.

I don't doubt Bush would have wanted to be there and participated I just want to know he was.

 

[Laura]

Where is the original? I am sure the Brownsville papers would be full of news. Does anyone have them.

I don't doubt Bush would have wanted to be there and participated I just want to know he was.

Me too. We need some sleuths to track this down, maybe looking in article archives in a large library.

 

[noise]

After reading the initial article I started doing some searches for media - film/pictures, mostly on the photo side and found a site that has allot of images. For those on limited bandwidth I would recommend not going as it takes the page a minute or two just to load. There are several missing images like this:

Terrorism and Drug War
Re: BAYER & EXXON HISTORY pt 4: Who named the NAZI
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Auschwitz workers

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..where no image is given. Here's the link. http://www.cannabisculture.com/staff/dml/MalmoFeb2004.html
Once you get past the initial Darth Vader image there appears to be 100's of photo's.

A "little" more on "Bush & MKULTRA Satanic killer who Bush pardoned while Governor, BOTH in same cult in '80s" can be found here.. still searching for a news paper article image.. http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/308911.shtml

 

[allen]

This article contains some embarassing disinfo. The part about Bush having been sole survivor of a mass murdering cult that killed and skinned 17 of its flock appears to be a joke.

Actually, the Onion article struck me kind of strangely in that it was singularly not funny. I had to wonder who thought using an actual mass murder in the Brownsville, TX area as parody was a good idea.

The fact that the mass murder occurred seems beyond doubt. There is a reference to it in a more recent article in the Brownsville Herald http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/police_38256___article.html/matamoros_kilroy.html

Officers followed Hernandez to the ranch, waited a few days, then raided it,
expecting to find a large stash of marijuana. Instead, on April 11, 1989, they
found 13 bodies buried near a corral.

Notice that the Onion article took a legitimate story, changed the dates and assigned an incorrect name to the cult. The leader of the cult was known as El Padrino, which just means The Godfather. The whole Onion article smells of disinfo to me, designed to throw people off the scent of what could be a very interesting story.

As for Henry Lee Lucas, it does not seem that he could have taken part in the murders. Lucas appears to have been in jail at the time. Lucas also appears to be a liar (no big surprise there). Pretty much everyone who investigated him seems to feel that he was claiming murders he hadn't committed, but did commit at least 15 murders. He also claimed to be part of a cult called The Hand of Death that ritualistically murdered people. Perhaps this cult was the same as the one run by El Padrino (Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo).

Constanzo was allegedly a practitioner of Palo Mayombe, an African religion similar to Santeria. Two interesting aspects of the religion. Practitioners are free to follow "light" or "dark" paths. Also, from altreligion.about.com, you can find this in the description of Palo Mayombe:

The central tool of Palo worship is the Prenda, or Nganga. The Prenda is a consecrated cauldron of iron or clay, which houses the Nikisi of the initiate. The Prenda is filled with a variety of items that facilitate communion with the spirits: bones or earth for the spirits of the dead; sacred trees and herbs, etc. Items that some have assumed to be elements of "dark" or evil, are in fact elements of ancient shamanic practices. It is not unusual to find skulls of other human bones in Prenda.

That would certainly seem to be in keeping with a religion that practices ritualistic murder.

Now the question comes up as to exactly why George Bush would commute the death sentence of Lucas of all people. And why then-governor Bob Graham would do the same with Lucas' partner, Otis Toole. Both of these governors were considered big time proponents of the death penalty. Bush holds the all-time U.S. record for executions.

The Onion article aside, something is really weird in this. All we have right now are a bunch of pieces on the ground that seem to be from the same puzzle but can't be fit together, yet. One more piece is the fact that Senator Bob Graham was Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee on 9/11/2001. Interesting, to say the least.

 

[herondancer]

Here is a link to a bio of Bush I, George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin as a free download by chapters):

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#1%20--

It was written in 1991. It seems to be well-footnoted, and should provide a workable timeline up to that point, and plenty of supporting characters to dig at. I would think many of them would have moved on to Bush II. They are the ones who grease the machine.

The of course there is the Smoking Gun Bush archive:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/archive.html

Use the search engine to bring up all the Bush entries. It runs to 13 pages while only starting in 2001!

Herondancer

 

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Copyright 1999 The Austin American-Statesman
Austin American-Statesman (Texas)

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April 12, 1999, Monday

SECTION: Metro/State; Pg. B3

LENGTH: 814 words

HEADLINE: UT student's 1989 slaying fuels anti-drug crusade

BYLINE: Madeline Baro

BODY:
BROWNSVILLE -- Cameron County Sheriff's Lt. George Gavito remembers thinking that unearthing Mark Kilroy's body from a ranch outside Matamoros, Coahuila, would neatly wrap up the UT student's kidnapping and murder.

"Before we knew it, we were digging up another one and another one and another one," Gavito said of his recollections of April 11, 1989.

By the end of the day, Mexican federal police had recovered 12 bodies on Rancho Santa Elena, later known as Devil Ranch. Some, like Kilroy, had been killed by a cult of drug traffickers who believed that ritual sacrifices conducted in a smelly, blood-splattered shack would shield them from police. In all, 15 bodies were found.

"It was drugs that had killed our son," Jim Kilroy said recently. "Even though he wasn't using, it touches everyone."

Ten years later, Jim and Helen Kilroy have turned that belief into an anti-drug battle that they wage through the Mark Kilroy Foundation. With the help of volunteers and other organizations, the foundation is involved with drug awareness projects in schools as well as rehabilitation programs.

Jim Kilroy also collaborated on a candid 1990 book about his son's death, titled "Sacrifice."

Devout Catholics, the Kilroys said they quickly came to terms with their son's murder.

"That's probably something that we can't even explain," Helen Kilroy said. "It was really when the investigators in Brownsville told us what happened to Mark. We were immediately at peace that we had found him."

"I think the Lord just put a blessing in our hearts," said Jim Kilroy, who in "Sacrifice" describes his relief at learning his son was held 12 hours before being killed because he had time to make peace with God. "We knew he was safe, and it was really God speaking to us about it."

Mark Kilroy was a 21-year-old junior pre-med student at the University of Texas who went to South Padre Island with three buddies for spring break. He vanished March 14, 1989, while bar-hopping with friends.

Kilroy's uncle was a U.S. Customs agent and his disappearance soon became a priority for U.S. law enforcement officers. Although it was not part of their jurisdiction, Gavito and Brownsville's U.S. Customs Agent- in-Charge Oran Neck joined forces with the Mexican Federal Judicial Police.

But luck actually broke open the case.

Serafin Hernandez Garcia, a suspect in a marijuana trafficking case, was trying to elude police officers when he led them to Santa Elena. Police arrested him and the ranch caretaker. The caretaker later recognized Mark Kilroy from a picture and remembered making him breakfast. Hernandez eventually confessed to kidnapping Kilroy and later burying him.

He returned to the ranch to show police the burial sites -- some belonging to enemies of the drug cult later dubbed the "narcosatanicos." Even seasoned officers were overcome by the stench as they found one body after another.

In a tarpaper shack, police found a bloody altar and items used in ritual worship, including cauldrons filled with human and animal body parts.

As the case unfolded, Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo was identified as the group's leader. Known as the "padrino" or "godfather," Constanzo was a Cuban-American from Miami who practiced a mixture of Afro-Caribbean rituals, some of which called for human sacrifice.

According to "Sacrifice," Mark Kilroy was snatched after Constanzo told his followers to bring him a young, Anglo university student. They later used his brain as part of a ceremony.

After an extensive search, police closed in on Constanzo and other narcosatanicos in Mexico City. Constanzo was not taken alive; he reportedly ordered another cult member to kill him.

Six narcosatanicos are currently in Mexican prisons, convicted of 13 of the killings. They include Sara Maria Aldrete Villareal, the group's "godmother," who lured men into the cult. Under Mexican law, the cult members can serve a maximum of 50 years.

Gavito said the pressure put on authorities to find Kilroy put the narcosatanicos out of business.

"If it wasn't for Mark, these killings would probably be still going on because I don't think anybody would ever have found out that it happened there," he said.

Today, there is little evidence on Rancho Santa Elena of what happened 10 years ago. Police destroyed the ceremonial shack shortly after the bodies were found, and Gavito only recently rediscovered the burial sites.

"The first time I went out there it didn't bother me because everything was happening so fast it didn't take the time to sink in or anything," said Gavito, now a Brownsville restaurant owner who does private investigations in Mexico. "Now I go back and look at tapes and read articles. . . . You start wondering, 'How weird -- how weird that it didn't affect me back then,' but I've learned so much from it that I think it's made me a better man."

GRAPHIC: Jim and Helen Kilroy, holding a photo of their son Mark, created a drug awareness foundation in his name. Mark Kilroy, a pre-med student at UT on spring break, was killed in 1989 by a drug cult in Mexico.

LOAD-DATE: April 12, 1999

 

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Here are a host of other articles right after the date

Copyright 1989 St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Inc.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Missouri)

April 13, 1989, THURSDAY, FIVE STAR Edition

SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 10A

LENGTH: 587 words

HEADLINE: LEADER OF CULT SOUGHT RANCH IS COMBED FOR MORE BODIES

BODY:
BROWNSVILLE, Texas - The grisly remains of 12 men murdered as human sacrificessent police on a nationwide hunt on Wednesday for a man said to head a Satanic drug-smuggling cult. Sought by police was Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo, a Cuban-American. He was said to be armed and heading for Florida. As dozens of police and federal agents searched for him, other officers searched a ranch near Matamoros, Mexico, looking for more bodies. Matamoros is across the border from Brownsville. One of the victims of the gang was Mark Kilroy, a premedical student at the University of Texas who had disappeared March 14. In addition to Kilroy, the victims included a police officer from Matamoros, a Mexican federal police volunteer and a 16-year-old boy, officials said. At least one victim was kidnapped in Brownsville in the last month, and as many as three of the dead may be American, officials said. Contrary to assertions Tuesday, officials found no evidence of cannibalism, said Oran Neck, chief agent for the U.S. Customs office in Brownsville. Felipe Flores, a spokesman for the Mexican attorney general's office, also said he knew nothing about reports of cannibalism, although he added that the bodies had been mutilated. Cameron County Sheriff Alex Perez said members of the cult had removed some victims' vertebrae and used them for necklaces. Suspects in the custody of Mexican officials have told police of 14 human sacrifices, and evidence indicates more may have been carried out, Neck said at a press conference Wednesday. Mexican officials said five men had been arrested in the case. Mexican police took four of the men to a press conference Wednesday and the four said they had killed on the command of the cult's ''godfather,'' whom they identified as Constanzo. ''We killed them for protection,'' said Elio Hernandez Rivera, 22, of Matamoros. He said he had shot and killed one victim and decapitated another. Constanzo killed Kilroy, said another of the suspects, Serafin Hernandez Garcia, 22. The five men, all residents of Matamoros, were being detained pending the filing of formal charges of murder, kidnapping, possession of weapons and crimes against the state, said Jose Silva Arroyo, narcotics supervisor for the Mexican Federal Judicial Police in Matamoros.

GRAPHIC: Photo; AP Photo - One of several graves on a ranch near Matamoros, Mexico, where authorities said members of a satanic drug smuggling cult buried the remains of 12 men.

LOAD-DATE: October 22, 1993

Copyright 1989 St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Inc.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Missouri)

April 14, 1989, FRIDAY, FIVE STAR Edition

SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 12A

LENGTH: 1214 words

HEADLINE: 13TH VICTIM FOUND IN CULT KILLINGS

BODY:
MATAMOROS, Mexico - One of the suspects in a cult of human sacrifice pointed out the grave of a 13th victim on Thursday, and police officers ordered him to dig it up. ''You'll do it with your hands if you have to,'' one officer told Sergio Martinez after the suspect was handed a pick and shovel. Martinez had been taken back to a ranch near Matamoros, where a dozen bodies were unearthed Tuesday. He and other suspects have told authorities that 14 bodies were buried on the ranch. In a dramatic public confession Wednesday, som e of the five suspects in custody said victims had been put to death in rituals that were intended to provide a ''magical shield'' for members of a drug-smuggling ring. The cult practiced a form of Santeria, a religion popular in Caribbean nations, Mexican authorities have claimed. Under the gaze of police officers Thursday, Martinez went to work digging up the new grave and quickly uncovered the remains of a man in his 30s. Martinez said the man had been buried about four months ago. The man was not identified. ''All I did was bury him,'' Martinez insisted. ''The padrino (godfather did the killings. I was just a ranch hand. I did not see the killings.'' The suspects in the case - four Mexicans and one American - have said they killed on the demand of Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo, whom they called godfather. They said Constanzo, 26, and Sara Maria Aldrete, 24, called the ''witch,'' believed human sacrifices gave members of the cult protection from harm. Cameron County sheriff's Lt. George Gavito said Constanzo, a Cuban who has contacts in Miami, was last seen Tuesday in Brownsville, Texas. Of Aldrete, sheriff's Deputy Carlos Tapia said, ''Apparently, Sara was leading a double life: as a witch in Mexico and as a dean's honor-roll student at Texas Southmost College.'' Texas Southmost College is a two-year college in Brownsville with an enrollment of 6,500. Aldrete, a resident alien from Mexico, was a physical education major and was one of 33 students listed in the college's ''Who's Who'' directory in 1987-88. ''Who's Who'' members are nominated by faculty members, have a grade-point average of at least 3.0 and are active in campus organizations. She also was president of the college's soccer booster club that year and recipient of the ''Outstanding Physical Education Student'' award. During the current session, Aldrete was enrolled in 13 hours of courses, including government, psychology, physical education, Spanish and first aid. A search of Aldrete's home in Matamoros revealed an altar and blood-spatters, but no bones or bodies, Gavito said. One of the suspects in custody, Serafin M. Hernandez of Brownsville, was a law enforcement major at the community college. He was enrolled in two courses, ''Criminal Investigation'' and ''Introduction to Sociology,'' according to school records. So far, the only victim to be identified is Mark Kilroy, 21, a University of Texas pre-medical student who was kidnapped on the streets of Matamoros last month while on spring break. In Matamoros, the bodies of the victims were at funeral homes waiting to be identified through dental records because of the state of decomposition, according to Oran Neck, a U.S. Customs Service agent based in Brownsville. Neck said U.S. drug agents would be assigned to the case. He said authorities have learned that the group was importing more than a ton of marijuana into the United States each week - twice the initial estimates. Santeria Disputed An anthropologist who studies Santeria, an Afro-Christian religion, discounted on Thursday its role in the ritual murders. Santeria is a largely underground religion that melded the beliefs of slaves from present-day Nigeria with Hispanic culture in the Caribbean and parts of South America, said Mercedes Sandoval, a professor at Miami-Dade Community College in Florida. She has studied Santeria for nearly 40 years. She estimated that as many as 25,000 people in South Florida are Santeria followers, and they also can be found in New York, New Jersey, California, Venezuela, Colombia and Spain. In Santeria belief, blood from animal sacrifices can form an alliance with gods of nature and protect the believers, a belief cited by Mexican authorities as a motive for the killings at a ranch used by marijuana smugglers, she said. But Sandoval said human sacrifice has never been a part of Santeria practices. Cult leader Constanzo ''may have been exposed to Santeria and other magical systems,'' Sandoval said. ''He probably was seeking assistance from magical systems to get protection, and then he himself developed his own ritual.'' She noted that Santeria symbols were present in the farm shack where investigators believe the victims were killed, but pictures also revealed symbols such as human skulls, used in the practice of palo mayombe, a separate religion that has its origins in the Congo. Sandoval said: ''I think I saw an ochosi (on television reports on the slayings. That's the god of hunting from West Africa. He also is perceived as the god that owns the traps. Many people who are in conflict with the authorities pray to him to get them out of jail. That is a connection with Santeria.''

GRAPHIC: Graphic Map; SKETMAP by Knight-Ridder Tribune News/B.C. Oren...12 Of The Shallow Graves On A Mexican Ranch...sketch of ranch showing locations where bodies were found; map showing location of Rancho Santa Elena in Mexico....source: Houston Chronicle PHOTO HEADSHOT of Sara Maria Aldrete

LOAD-DATE: October 22, 1993

Copyright 1989 St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Inc.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Missouri)

April 16, 1989, SUNDAY, LATE FIVE STAR Edition

SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 9D

LENGTH: 480 words

HEADLINE: SUSPECT LED DOUBLE LIFE IN MEXICO, U.S.

BODY:
BROWNSVILLE, Texas (AP) - To most of her classmates, Sara M. Aldrete, 24, was a cheery, well-groomed honor student. But some said the woman accused of being part of a murderous, drug-smuggling cult had exhibited some bizarre behavior. Aldrete, a resident alien, is believed to be on the run in the United States. She may be alone or with cult leader Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo, 26, a Cuban accused of heading a drug-smuggling operation and committing many of the acts. The accusations are from suspects in custody in the killings. By most accounts, Aldrete was a respected student at Texas Southmost College who dreamed of getting a degree in physical education. But one student told the Brownsville Herald that she sometimes wore necklaces that she told people not to touch because something bad might happen to them. As he spoke, other students nodded their heads in agreement, but they all refused to give their names, the Herald reported Friday. Police say that in Mexico, Aldrete was known as ''the witch,'' one of about 10 members of a cult that kidnapped, tortured and killed at least 13 people for revenge or in rituals aimed at protecting the group's members from harm. ''She had one life in Matamoros (Mexico, with what she was doing with these people in narcotics and worshipi ng,'' said Cameron County sheriff's Lt. George Gavito. ''And in the United States, she was a student at TSC, and all the sports she was involved in, activities and was on the honor roll. ''The friends over here didn't know much about what she was doing in Mexico,'' Gavito said. Even her parents in Matamoros knew nothing of the activities of their daughter, who was president of the college's soccer Booster Club and won the school's Outstanding Physical Education Award last year.

GRAPHIC: Photo; PHOTO HEADSHOT of Sara M. Aldrete...Honor student

LOAD-DATE: October 22, 1993

 

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Copyright 1989 St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Inc.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Missouri)

April 19, 1989, WEDNESDAY, THREE STAR Edition

SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 16A

LENGTH: 760 words

HEADLINE: MOST OF SLAIN CALLED TRAFFICKERS ONLY FOUR BODIES LINKED TO SACRIFICE

BODY:
MATAMOROS, Mexico (AP) - Most of the 15 bodies exhumed in a rural area over the last week were those of drug traffickers and not random sacrifices of a drug ring influenced by the occult, a Mexican police official said Tuesday. Juan Benitez Ayala, commander of the Federal Judicial Police in this border city, said also that the investigation had shifted to Mexico City, where officials believe several murders are linked to the drug ring's fugitive ''godfather,'' Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo, 26. Benitez refused to comment on statements he made to reporters Monday, when he speculated that Sara Maria Aldrete, 24, said to be the cult's ''godmother, '' might have been killed by Constanzo because she knew too much about the organization. U.S. officials said they thought that Aldrete was still alive, even though Mexican officials reported finding some of her personal effects in an apartment containing what appeared to be an occult altar. ''It just might be a put-on,'' said Cameron County Sheriff Alex Perez in Brownsville, Texas. ''If they did find a purse or found a passport, that may have been just a trick by Sara and Constanzo to (make it appear she is dead. . . . I think she is still alive.'' Perez said the investigation in Matamoros had shown that most of the 13 bodies unearthed at the Santa Elena Ranch and both bodies found at a nearby cooperative farm Thursday were those of drug smugglers. The bodies at the ranch, 20 miles west of Matamoros, were found April 11. ''I have information about only four people who were sacrificed,'' Benitez said, adding that ''the great majority were drug traffickers.'' Of the 15 victims, ''some were tortured, some were only shot, and there were the young people who were sacrificed.'' Mark Kilroy, 21, a University of Texas student from Santa Fe, Texas, was one of the four sacrificial victims, Benitez said. Kilroy was abducted from a street in Matamoros, he said. Benitez said at least eight and possibly more of the victims had been either associates or rivals of Constanzo's group. Officials have searched at least three residences in Mexico City linked to the group, Benitez said. ''There are a lot of murders in the Colonia Roma (area of Mexico City connected to Constanzo,'' he said. Benitez said a woman arrested Sunday in Mexico City, Maria Teresa Quintana, 20, was ''totally involved'' in the occult practices of some members of the group, who had sought magical protection for their smuggling. Her brother, Martin Quintana, is one of three men for whom new federal drug-related warrants were issued Monday in Brownsville. Martin Quintana and another person named in the new warrants, Malio Fabio, are believed to have taken part in the occult faction of Constanzo's organization. One man arrested on those warrants, Serafin Hernandez Rivera of Brownsville, was arraigned Tuesday in Houston, where he was arrested. Benitez said Hernandez's father, Brigido, former owner of the Santa Elena Ranch, was being sought in Mexico. Serafin Hernandez Rivera's son, Serafin Jr., and his brother, Elio, face federal Mexican arraignment in Matamoros. The senior Hernandez Rivera's brother, Ovidio, also is being sought in connection with the slayings.

GRAPHIC: Photo; PHOTO Headshot of Sara Maria Aldrete...'Godmother' sought.

LOAD-DATE: October 22, 1993

Edit: Seems that there's not much lead in this thread so I removed some articles with duplicate info to save space.

 

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Copyright 1989 The New York Times Company
The New York Times

May 8, 1989, Monday, Late City Final Edition

SECTION: Section A; Page 14, Column 3; National Desk

LENGTH: 644 words

HEADLINE: Leader in Cult Slayings Ordered Own Death, Two Companions Say

BYLINE: AP

DATELINE: MEXICO CITY, May 7

BODY:
The leader of a drug-smuggling cult that is believed to have killed 15 people and buried their bodies along the United States-Mexican border ordered his own killing when the police closed in on him, two of his companions said today.

Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo was shot to death Saturday after the police appeared outside the Mexico City apartment building where he was staying with Sara Aldrete and five other suspected cult members.

Ms. Aldrete, a 24-year-old former honor student at Texas Southmost College in Brownsville, said Mr. Constanzo ordered Alvaro de Leon Valdez to kill him and his right-hand man, Martin Quintana Rodriguez.

Ms. Aldrete, who has been described as the ''witch'' of the cult, Mr. de Leon Valdez and three others arrested after the shootout were presented to journalists today at the office of the Mexico City Attorney General. They stood behind a 3-by-6-foot table bearing confiscated cult items and black clothing.

'He Went Crazy, Crazy'

Mr. de Leon Valdez said he shot Mr. Constanzo and Mr. Quintana with a machine gun after Mr. Constanzo ordered him to do so and hit him when he resisted. ''He went crazy, crazy'' when the police came, Mr. de Leon Valdez said of Mr. Constanzo.

''He grabbed a bundle of money and threw it and began shooting out the window,'' Mr. de Leon Valdez said. ''He said everything, everything was lost.'' He recalled Mr. Constanzo's saying, ''No one's going to have this money.''

Giving her recollection of the events, Ms. Aldrete said Mr. Constanzo ordered Mr. de Leon Valdez to kill him ''because it was the end and he wanted to die with Martin.''

She referred to Mr. Constanzo, 26, as ''El Padrino,'' or the godfather.

Did Not See Shooting

Ms. Aldrete said she did not see the shooting or the killings of 15 people whose bodies were found on the Santa Elena Ranch outside Matamoros along the border in April. She said she did not know about those killings until she saw news of them on television.

Mr. Constanzo and Ms. Aldrete are believed to have directed human sacrifices, mutilations and other rituals involving human organs in the belief that the rites would protect their drug-smuggling ring.

Mr. de Leon Valdez, 22, said he took part in the killing of Mark Kilroy, a Texas college student, and of some of the others on the ranch. But he and Ms. Aldrete indicated that Mr. Constanzo did most of the killings on the ranch.

Asked who killed Mr. Kilroy, Ms. Aldrete said, ''Adolfo.''

Appearing calm, Ms. Aldrete said she was sorry about the death of Mr. Kilroy and the others. ''If I had known it was like this, I wouldn't have been in it,'' she said of the cult.

Mr. Constanzo and Ms. Aldrete, missing since the first 12 bodies were uncovered on the ranch April 11, were among 11 people indicted in the United States. Ms. Aldrete, Mr. de Leon Valdez and the others were being held in Mexico on charges including homicide, criminal association, wounding a police agent and damage to property, an assistant Attorney General, Abraham Polo Uscanga, said.

The bodies of Mr. Constanzo and Mr. Quintana were found slumped inside a closet in the apartment. Their shirts were smeared with blood.

Relief Expressed in the U.S.

BROWNSVILLE, Tex., May 7 (AP) - American law enforcement officials expressed relief today that four suspected members of a drug-smuggling cult that killed 15 people were arrested in Mexico, not the United States. ''They committed the crimes in Mexico,'' said Oran Neck, chief customs agent in this border city. ''If they committed murder in Mexico, we can't charge them here.''

Bob Nixon, an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, agreed that it was best that Ms. Aldrete and the others were arrested in Mexico.

''The only reason we were looking for them was so we could extradite them to Mexico so they could be tried there,'' Mr. Nixon said.

GRAPHIC: photo of Alvaro de Leon Valdez (Reuters)

 

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I am the offender with regards to posting that satirical information. In my defense, I found that clip in 3 different locations and under the byline of of a pretty well-known internet muckraker. Because of this I included it in my post. This is the first time this has happened to me and I assure you that I am very sorry to have been responsible for this; it was a matter of reverse serendipity. As soon as I tumbled to it, had it pointed out to me, I removed the offending clip from my main posting site. Depending on how you look at it, it is a win win situation. Several people caught it, one of them informed me at my site coming off with the same basic assumptions as you. So now I know to take even more care than I have in the past and this improves me. People found out and through them other people found out and the clip was discredited. This is all good. Depending on how you look at it.

Were I you, and I mean this in the best way, I would take care with the self-righteous outrage. Your bed side manner is not tailored to the best advantage of your patient. You can make your point much more deeply felt by altering your delivery toward benevolent instruction. You made a lot of assumptions which seem to indicate that I did this on purpose. I didn't. It's always good to err on the side of caution and to cut people some slack when you don't know the facts. I already felt snookered and unhappy with it. If it is important for you that I felt bad about it then I can assure you I do. It may not mean much to some people who have a tendency to seek out sensational copy or are careless with what they say. Nothing is more important to me that to tell the truth and maintain a high degree of credibility. I care a great deal about what is going on. I don't write for money (except novels). I write out of the desire to add my voice to those others who seek to cut through the bullshit. It matters to me.

Mistakes happen and I made one. You will note that I placed various disclaimers through the article because I wasn't sure about all of the outrageous info that I came across. I must have known something subliminally. I wish I could undo it but that is out of my hands now. I will be more careful in the future and once again, I apologize for my oversight.

 

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Mistakes happen and I made one. You will note that I placed various disclaimers through the article because I wasn't sure about all of the outrageous info that I came across. I must have known something subliminally. I wish I could undo it but that is out of my hands now. I will be more careful in the future and once again, I apologize for my oversight.

Well, for what it's worth, I found Keenan's original post to be somewhat arrogant and harsh. Like you say, mistakes happen and there's a lot of disinfo out being pushed specifically as tar-babies for the Pathocracy - just look at what happened to truthout.org with the "Karl Rove indictment". It's difficult for any one person to check everything. That's why I think SOTT is really hitting the mark these days - it's a team effort.

We really need to develop eyes in the back of our head to deal with all the internet trolls and kooks out there! And in any case, thanks for your efforts in helping to reveal and stand up for the Truth. I look forward to future postings. :)