Some questions about "Active Side of Infinity" book

[MoonSun]

Hello everybody!
Since one of members said that "Active Side of Infinity" is recommended to be read for the "predator's mind" subject, I went straight to read the same chapter. Fortunately the book has been translated into Farsi (my mother language).
After reading everything related to predator's mind in the book some Q has popped in,
first thing is that seems like the mind is not a substantial thing in us, am I correct? I'd like to know if this is a tool that can be at our service or this is a sts thing to be against us?
Second Q is that as Castaneda says "infants are born with a glowing coat of awareness and that this is what the predator eats", but how this is done when a baby is not programmed through mind still? Maybe there are much more things that I don't know about how human are food?
the next one is that I've not seen any protective method in the book to be taught, I need to read the whole book perhaps (I've not finished the book yet).
The last Q is that if Laura agrees with Castaneda words about predators? (sadly I've not read her books yet. -- I will though :) --
Thank you!!!

 

[Beau]

Second Q is that as Castaneda says "infants are born with a glowing coat of awareness and that this is what the predator eats", but how this is done when a baby is not programmed through mind still? Maybe there are much more things that I don't know about how human are food?

I think this is metaphorical, no one's actually being "eaten". Rather, people are born with an awareness that slowly fades away as personality takes over for essence. That's an idea that Castaneda borrows from Gurdjieff, just that Castaneda has changed the wording. The predator is our personality which is programmed into us, not an external entity that feeds on humans.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

first thing is that seems like the mind is not a substantial thing in us, am I correct? I'd like to know if this is a tool that can be at our service or this is a sts thing to be against us?

Yeah, I'd say the predator's mind is insubstantial. Same as the 'normal' mind! ;) Maybe it might help to think about it as a way of thinking.

the next one is that I've not seen any protective method in the book to be taught, I need to read the whole book perhaps (I've not finished the book yet).

Castaneda doesn't mention these, but they're discussed in depth on the forum: diet, meditation (EE), self-work, making thinking more objective, getting more in touch with your emotions and motives, learning to see yourself as you are, identifying your values and learning to act accordingly, and more.

 

[Archaea]

the next one is that I've not seen any protective method in the book to be taught, I need to read the whole book perhaps (I've not finished the book yet).

Castaneda doesn't mention these, but they're discussed in depth on the forum: diet, meditation (EE), self-work, making thinking more objective, getting more in touch with your emotions and motives, learning to see yourself as you are, identifying your values and learning to act accordingly, and more.

My understanding from reading that book was that in order to "get the predator to flee" all a warrior needs to do is stop the internal dialogue, i.e. silence the mind, which gets easier to do with more and more practice. Whether or not this is how things actually work is a matter for debate, AI's comments may be more valid in actual reality. :)

 

[MoonSun]

Thank you everybody :)
I've read some stuffs re programming mind, memes, karma force etc.... sounds a hard job to overcome them!!!
I know that "Knowledge protects"!
Many friends have recommended Wave series to read, I cannot order print books for boycotting problems but I can read "online wave" in the cass website ,which I think is condensed, isn't it?
I'd love very much to do something before my death .......
Where do I start from?
My English is not that well, so if I have problems with understanding Wave book, is there anyone to help?
How to learn EE? Is there a link to download Laura videos about it? Can I learn from them?
How to stop Karma?
How to know my own programming?
How to get rid of my own memes while I do not know them all?
Please share if you know good sources to study!!
Thanks!

 

[Psalehesost]

Many friends have recommended Wave series to read, I cannot order print books for boycotting problems but I can read "online wave" in the cass website ,which I think is condensed, isn't it?

The online versions are the full books.

I don't know if it helps, but if you'd want the books in print, they are also available from: http://en.pilulerouge.com

 

[trendsetter37]

How to learn EE? Is there a link to download Laura videos about it? Can I learn from them?

The official website for all things EE is located here and maybe you've already browsed the EE thread but discussion of experiences and tips are located in this thread. Happy breathing :)

 

[Iron]

Many friends have recommended Wave series to read, I cannot order print books for boycotting problems but I can read "online wave" in the cass website ,which I think is condensed, isn't it?

The online versions are the full books.

I don't know if it helps, but if you'd want the books in print, they are also available from: http://en.pilulerouge.com

Boycotting problems? I'm having trouble understanding, probably is a language issue. Who is boycotting?

 

[riclapaz]

Is there a link to download Laura videos about it? Can I learn from them?

Hello MoonSun, here is the link to the videos of Laura: https://www.youtube.com/user/cassiopaeaorg/videos

How to stop Karma?

I think the best thing to do is work on ourselves, control emotions, diet, etc. not anticipate, participate aquien forum if you have to balance karma, being a natural process, with the help of constant input of knowledge, cushion the blows, so to speak. the end not forget, learning is fun.

How to know my own programming?

Here in the forum are several threads about programs:

Programs.. and how to get rid of them
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,8129.msg60188.html#msg60188

What programs have YOU discovered?
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,7077.msg497499.html#msg497499


Wait helps a little

 

[SeekinTruth]

The way to get rid of the "predators mind", also mentioned in The Active Side of Infinity by Castaneda is discipline. The input by others above are all examples of discipline, or as Gurdjieff used to say doing what "it" does not like to do - which is what is of most benefit for our Real Self. FWIW.


@ Iron. I think the boycotting remark was probably in reference to Iran sanctions.

 

[Michael B-C]

Second Q is that as Castaneda says "infants are born with a glowing coat of awareness and that this is what the predator eats", but how this is done when a baby is not programmed through mind still? Maybe there are much more things that I don't know about how human are food?

I think this is metaphorical, no one's actually being "eaten". Rather, people are born with an awareness that slowly fades away as personality takes over for essence. That's an idea that Castaneda borrows from Gurdjieff, just that Castaneda has changed the wording. The predator is our personality which is programmed into us, not an external entity that feeds on humans.

Hi Heimdallr. Hope I'm not crashing in on MoonSuns thread but I wanted to ask you about your post.

I understand what you mean by 'this is metaphorical, no one's being actually being "eaten"' in a strictly physical sense (although many war casualties of psychopaths perhaps could be termed such) but I would also ask don’t you also think it has an actual basis in reality? My understanding is that the predators brain is real in actuality - that as Laura says it is 'operative' - that is yes, whilst personality is a series of programs that can become fixed by our life choices and convince us we are something we are not, that below this there appears to be a deeper truth emanating from a strongly dictating reptilian structure, given to us by the 'predator', that is like their brain. We are built thus to inhabit a matrix of self-delusion and emotional discharge designed to make of us an actual feeding machine, generating high emotional frequencies that are literally food for hyperdimensional beings. We are 'plugged' in by the structure of our brains to this system and that the Work is about seeking to free our minds from this slavery. So in this sense, there is an 'external entity that feeds on humans'. I call to mind, for example, Laura's analysis in ‘Wave 8 - Debugging the Universe’ of the 14th century West Front of Saint-Pierre, Moissac, that appears in the Zelator. Her analysis plus the quotes there from Michael Topper, clearly see this as an actual reality with as Topper says 'higher-dimensional beings in their own context (possessing) subtle, vertical filamental axes attached to the subtle nerve-networks' of humans’. I know that Laura says ‘this idea is definitely “out there”’ but she goes on to show how she sees it as an actual truth, based on our brain chemistry amongst other means.

I fully grasp the need to see much esoteric teaching as metaphorical but there is either a reality of form somewhere down the chain of STS being, maybe beyond our understanding at 3rd level, or there isn’t otherwise all such 'metaphorical' musings become merely allegories for our own earth bound weaknesses. Fwiw.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Second Q is that as Castaneda says "infants are born with a glowing coat of awareness and that this is what the predator eats", but how this is done when a baby is not programmed through mind still? Maybe there are much more things that I don't know about how human are food?

I think this is metaphorical, no one's actually being "eaten". Rather, people are born with an awareness that slowly fades away as personality takes over for essence. That's an idea that Castaneda borrows from Gurdjieff, just that Castaneda has changed the wording. The predator is our personality which is programmed into us, not an external entity that feeds on humans.

Hi Heimdallr. Hope I'm not crashing in on MoonSuns thread but I wanted to ask you about your post.

I understand what you mean by 'this is metaphorical, no one's being actually being "eaten"' in a strictly physical sense (although many war casualties of psychopaths perhaps could be termed such) but I would also ask don’t you also think it has an actual basis in reality? My understanding is that the predators brain is real in actuality - that as Laura says it is 'operative' - that is yes, whilst personality is a series of programs that can become fixed by our life choices and convince us we are something we are not, that below this there appears to be a deeper truth emanating from a strongly dictating reptilian structure, given to us by the 'predator', that is like their brain. We are built thus to inhabit a matrix of self-delusion and emotional discharge designed to make of us an actual feeding machine, generating high emotional frequencies that are literally food for hyperdimensional beings. We are 'plugged' in by the structure of our brains to this system and that the Work is about seeking to free our minds from this slavery. So in this sense, there is an 'external entity that feeds on humans'. I call to mind, for example, Laura's analysis in ‘Wave 8 - Debugging the Universe’ of the 14th century West Front of Saint-Pierre, Moissac, that appears in the Zelator. Her analysis plus the quotes there from Michael Topper, clearly see this as an actual reality with as Topper says 'higher-dimensional beings in their own context (possessing) subtle, vertical filamental axes attached to the subtle nerve-networks' of humans’. I know that Laura says ‘this idea is definitely “out there”’ but she goes on to show how she sees it as an actual truth, based on our brain chemistry amongst other means.

I fully grasp the need to see much esoteric teaching as metaphorical but there is either a reality of form somewhere down the chain of STS being, maybe beyond our understanding at 3rd level, or there isn’t otherwise all such 'metaphorical' musings become merely allegories for our own earth bound weaknesses. Fwiw.

I'll take a crack at your questions, even though they were addressed to Heimdallr.

I think, yes, you're right that there is a "metaphysical" aspect to it all. But a whole lot of that IS metaphorical on our level, I imagine. We ARE built in a way that our dominant brain chemistry and neurological structure "resonates" with the "predator's mind", so to speak. But, again, the hyperdimensional aspects of our negative emotions (largely self-reflective / based on internal consideration) being eaten by the higher-dimensional Self-Serving beings still has a large hypothetical aspect. We can't know directly about these things the way we can study 3D reality. So, no matter how you cut it, it will have some metaphorical aspects to it because we can't observe and collect evidence about it all directly - but only indirectly.

The way our biological construct imprisons us is BECAUSE we are 3rd Density STS (within the working hypothesis) and so we align with 4th Density STS which feeds on our negative emotional energy / mechanical suffering. So, yes, we do have some reptilian substructures that mammalian structures are built on (physical nervous system, etc.). That seems to be a chicken and egg question: are we born with those physical structures because of us being STS or are we STS because of those physical structures? See what I mean? It's probably both, not really a cause and effect type thing as in mainstream materialistic "science", but esoteric science explains a lot more, right?

However, all that being said, the practical approach to the Work of getting control over our machine doesn't even have to take all that into account to get the results that can be achieved to free ourselves from the automatic behaviors and mechanical suffering. Even Gurdjieff did NOT emphasize the hyperdimensional aspect in his teachings and exercises, because he was a very practical man. He alluded to man being "food for the moon", etc. and only went into some more details with certain of his students, because he probably knew that it was not that relevant to start the Work for most of his students and might be a scary distraction (maybe increasing paralysis / inertia of continuing to live in the same old way or falling deeper into sleep and dreaming one is awake, etc.). Hope that helps.

 

[Michael B-C]

Yes thanks SeekinTruth. Very helpful. I was very aware when I was posting that any actual mechanism of link between us at 3rd and feeders at 4th is essentially still hypothetical, but then so is Big Bang and other such mainstream 'theories, taught as fact (in some ways I find that more scary!) Joking apart I do get the need to remain grounded in this reality and the value of us affecting change here for its own sake, whatever the actual cause of our dilemma. I suppose I lean towards regarding the various circumstantial evidences in favour of such a hypothesis being greater than the opposite, for which there is little or no objective evidence. It makes more sense than just accepting it as an earth bound consequence of a messed up evolution. Nature, after all, does not likely make such 'mistakes' as generating malformed organism that cannot function in harmony with itself and the ecosystem. We appear so different to the norm we experience all around us on this planet that other reasons for our collective deformity would appear to be necessary to answer such a quandary. But I do appreciate your words and will ponder on them further. Enough said by me, as this is in danger of getting off thread topic. :)

 

[MoonSun]

Thank you Psalehesost and trendsetter37,
Iron, as SeekinTruth said I meant by boycott sanctions against Ir
riclapaz, your comments help a great deal, thanks!

not anticipate, participate aquien forum if you have to balance karma

What is aquien forum? And what do you mean by "not anticipate"?
SeekinTruth, thank you! Would you (or any other one) please explain a bit more about discipline? Is it the same “calming mind” or something more/different?

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[MoonSun]

Hello riclapaz, I didn't understand the bold part of your sentences, would you please explain more? thx!

Is there a link to download Laura videos about it? Can I learn from them?

Hello MoonSun, here is the link to the videos of Laura: https://www.youtube.com/user/cassiopaeaorg/videos

How to stop Karma?

I think the best thing to do is work on ourselves, control emotions, diet, etc. not anticipate, participate aquien forum if you have to balance karma, being a natural process, with the help of constant input of knowledge, cushion the blows, so to speak. the end not forget, learning is fun.

How to know my own programming?

Here in the forum are several threads about programs:

Programs.. and how to get rid of them
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,8129.msg60188.html#msg60188

What programs have YOU discovered?
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,7077.msg497499.html#msg497499


Wait helps a little