Something quite interesting - Khodorkovsky's "new world order"

[Keit]

There is an article on "The economist" site from Khodorkovsky about a very close implementation of a new world order. This article is for subscribers only, so this is only a fragment:

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=8134531&d=2007&CFID=95609370&CFTOKEN=2778d7a-8a9f0039-9312-4d77-b21d-facf023c133b

In all likelihood, 2007 will turn out to be truly a watershed year in recent human history-the year in which we will see an acceleration in the formation of a new world order. At the very least, not only will the categorical need for such a world order become universally recognised, but its general features will become apparent as well. This world order will differ fundamentally from the United States-centred world in which we have been living for nearly 20 years; however, it will not much resemble the bipolar post-Yalta world (1945-90) either....

Here an article about it in Russian:
http://www(dot)lenta.ru/news/2006/11/21/khodor/
And this:
http://khodorkovsky(dot)ru/speech/5987.html

In this article he says that movement in opposition to US will be created that will include Iran, India and several South America countries (Chavez I suppose).

 

[judvic]

Yes very interesting.

We have been lead to think that 2007 would be a key year by many people. 18 months ago George Soros was already speaking of the recession that would take place in 2007.
How can this recession (if indeed it comes) be used to change the world order?
Deep economical problems have generally lead to authoritarian governments. Will it be the case this time?

Ludovic

 

[vinny]

Deep economical problems have generally lead to authoritarian governments. Will it be the case this time?

Ludovic

the other way round surely?
authoritarian governments have created economic problems. for two reasons:
1. deliberately: in order to reinforce their authority, by the only means they can see - violence and force, backed by law (debt, law of possession etc)
2. causatively: an authoritative clampdown totally restricts creativity, so leads to collapse of any real societal functioning.

I think the recession is already here. but it is imposed slowly over several years so that people do not really notice - there is a huge amount of debt, people are finding it harder to earn enough money to live on, and this will continue to get more and more extreme.

perhaps it will accelerate if it reaches a certain point, but I don't know. I would think that it is carefully regulated in order to AVOID supplying any sudden shocks to the general population - in case that woke them up to the situation.. it seems to be a *very* carefully executed and controlled collapse - eg. look at the housing and gold markets, extensions of personal debt, gradual transfer of ownership of public assets and private assets in certain sectors such as food production, etc.

 

[judvic]

the other way round surely?
authoritarian governments have created economic problems. for two reasons:
1. deliberately: in order to reinforce their authority, by the only means they can see - violence and force, backed by law (debt, law of possession etc)
2. causatively: an authoritative clampdown totally restricts creativity, so leads to collapse of any real societal functioning.

Yes. I was wrong to use the word lead because it inferred causality where I only meant synchronicity.

I think the recession is already here. but it is imposed slowly over several years so that people do not really notice - there is a huge amount of debt, people are finding it harder to earn enough money to live on, and this will continue to get more and more extreme.

Yes the recession is here.

perhaps it will accelerate if it reaches a certain point, but I don't know. I would think that it is carefully regulated in order to AVOID supplying any sudden shocks to the general population - in case that woke them up to the situation.. it seems to be a *very* carefully executed and controlled collapse - eg. look at the housing and gold markets, extensions of personal debt, gradual transfer of ownership of public assets and private assets in certain sectors such as food production, etc.

Yes but there are exterior factors that our "leaders" have no control on (meteorite coming, pole shift...) that require them to speed things up.

The question for me is: are there entities (human or not) who are so powerful as to control events so precisely?
One must not underestimate one's ennemies, but not overestimate them either.

The problem is to identify who are the ennemies. Are all government in the last analysis authoritarian and only the puppets of some hidden string pullers, or are things more complex?

Were there times when some governments were parly acting for the good of the people?
Reading Laura's articles about Kennedy one may reach the conclusion that things are not black and white.

Ludovic

 

[Mr. Premise]

No I think Ludovic has the more likely order of events. Depression followed by clampdown. A "recession" may already be here, but really, compared to what's coming, these are very good times. When they say "deep recession" in the news that is a euphemism for collapse or depression. We may be on the brink of collapse, but in the developed world, we are all eating (too much, most of us:))

Deep economical problems have generally lead to authoritarian governments. Will it be the case this time?

Ludovic

the other way round surely?
authoritarian governments have created economic problems. for two reasons:
1. deliberately: in order to reinforce their authority, by the only means they can see - violence and force, backed by law (debt, law of possession etc)
2. causatively: an authoritative clampdown totally restricts creativity, so leads to collapse of any real societal functioning.

I think the recession is already here. but it is imposed slowly over several years so that people do not really notice - there is a huge amount of debt, people are finding it harder to earn enough money to live on, and this will continue to get more and more extreme.

perhaps it will accelerate if it reaches a certain point, but I don't know. I would think that it is carefully regulated in order to AVOID supplying any sudden shocks to the general population - in case that woke them up to the situation.. it seems to be a *very* carefully executed and controlled collapse - eg. look at the housing and gold markets, extensions of personal debt, gradual transfer of ownership of public assets and private assets in certain sectors such as food production, etc.

 

[StarFraction]

It is interesting too that 2007 is Day 5 (or 'heaven' 9) of this penultimate 12.7 year cycle identified by the Mayan Calendar.

Each 'heaven' (or resonance or frequency) of this cycle lasts 360 days, and this 'resonance' - Day 5 - begins this Friday, 24 November 2006 (lasting until 18 November 2007, when we go into Night 5 or resonance 10)

Day 5 is always a crucial resonance period in a cycle, it somehow 'exemplifies', 'perpetuates', 'establishes' or 'sets the stamp or seal' on the nature of the whole cycle.

Day 5 is ruled by the God of Light - Quetzalcoatl. We can expect a big change in our perception of things, and the way things will be thereafter on this our world.

By way of example, the previous cycle (and we are still in the last day of ALL the cycles that previously initiated - they superimpose, or blend, with one another, (building into a sort of 'cosmic chord' of frequencies if you like) all coming to a 'grand finale' in 2011/2012) - the previous cycle commenced in 1755 and lasts for 256 years, each of the 13 'heavens' or 'resonances' being 19.7 years. It was a cycle all about physical/technological/scientific power awareness and its management, and you will note that the Day 1 (1755 to 1774) was the start of the Industrial Revolution in Britain ... placed at about 1760 by most historians.

Day 5 of the previous cycle commenced about 1912.

In 1914 the First World War broke out. A real demonstration of power! Also the Russian Revolution ... 1917. Boy oh boy ... did the world ever change after day 5 of the last cycle!

Unfortunately, after Day 5 comes Night 5, and, yes, you've guessed it, it doesn't seem to get better. Quite the contrary!

Night 5 (which in this current cycle begins 19 November 2007) is ruled by the God of Darkness - Tezcatlipoca!

Night 5 in the previous cycle was 1932 to 1952. I'm sure I don't need to remind you what happened during that one!

BUT ... before too much despair sets in, the Mayan calendar appears to be all about the evolution of CONSCIOUSNESS. All those 'horrors' of the 5 Day and 5 Night of the previous cycle were certainly an impetus to a vast expansion of awareness and consciousness among many people in the world.

The First World War sounded the death knell of the old autocratic and monarchic 'political' systems (government by whim!), and did - albeit counterbalanced by the communist regimes - clear a way forward for a more democratic period of involvement in Government 'by the people'. Unfortunately, we know how that is turning out. It does seem to me that, very sadly, we just won't wake up and stay awake unless we are vigorously shocked into it!

The previous cycle, although about power, was also an opportunity for us to relate to power and manage it sensibly. For example, the Albany Congress of 1754 was the first attempt at democratic union in the English colonies in America. (Day 1)

The Declaration of Independence followed in 1776 (Night 1).

The days are usually the 'initiation' of a new energy. The nights appear to be their 'applications' or 'results'.

In fact the Days are related analogously to the growth of a plant or flower like this:

Day 1 - Sowing
Day 2 - Germination
Day 3 - Sprouting
Day 4 - Proliferation
Day 5 - BUDDING
Day 6 - Flowering
Day 7 - Fruition.

And remember there is a night in between each 'day.' So 13 heavens in all in each cycle - 7 days and 6 nights! (Ring any bells?)

The Jewish menorah (candlestick) is symbolic - 7 candles (days) with seven gaps (nights) between them.

The Mayan calendar, although not a precise event-specific prophesy system, is fascinating when approached as an overview of energy rhythms within the Universe (and therefore also applicable to all planets, ours included), possibly effected through a 'world tree' kind of 'tuning fork' centre of emanation. Interesting to overlay the cyclic rhythms upon the history of our planet. This is something you can do for yourself by purchasing a good 'History of the World' with timelines since the Big Bang.

Incidentally, the first base cycle commenced about 16.4 billion years ago!

(Quite a calendar for a few Meso-American Indians to come up with about 1,000 years ago! Or could they also have come upon it from ....?)

And as for 16.4 billion years ago ... could that have been the precise date (in our earth-time terms) of the Big Bang - that is now popularly agreed at approximately 15 billion years ago, but was previously thought to have been 10, 12 and 14 billion years ago?

If all this is new to you and you would like to sit back and enjoy a very accessible presentation, here are the links to parts 1 and 2 of a 3 hour presentation currently on Google Video entitled 'The Mayan Calendar comes North.' Presented by Ian Xel Lungold, who has now, sadly, passed away.

The Mayan Calendar Comes North:

Part 1
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8689261981090121097&q=mayan+calendar

Part 2
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-567329528148516232&q=mayan+calendar

There are two great books by Dr Carl Johan Calleman (formerly a microbiologist who studied the effects of radiation at cellular level), entitled;

'The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness.' (This is the second, and, in my opinion, the more easily assimilable work.)

and,

'The Mayan Calendar: Solving the Greatest Mystery of our Time.' (Dr Calleman's first book)

StarFraction

 

[Keit]

Here full russian translation of this article:
http://www(dot)lenta.ru/articles/2006/11/21/letter/
According to Khodorkovsky, it's will be indeed period of "search/war for resources".

 

[Windmill knight]

In this article he says that movement in opposition to US will be created that will include Iran, India and several South America countries (Chavez I suppose).

Did he mean "created" as in directed from above for a specific purpose?? Or just spontaneously "created" by the people's of the world as a result of their natural opposition to the empire?

I'm playing with the hypothesis that some "oppositions" are just apparent to make us believe that there are alternatives when there aren't, or to create conflict and 'revolutions' on purpose to steer the world in different directions.

Thanks for the info, Keit. If you get to see a full version of the article in English, please let us know.

 

[Keit]

In this article he says that movement in opposition to US will be created that will include Iran, India and several South America countries (Chavez I suppose).

Did he mean "created" as in directed from above for a specific purpose?? Or just spontaneously "created" by the people's of the world as a result of their natural opposition to the empire?

Translation of the word he used is: "formation" and he reffered to capitals of those contries (Teheran, Delhi, etc) so he probably talking about their leaders. And I think that it's already has begun. Not sure if it's spontaneous, though. Nothing spontaneous in politics ;) I actually not so sure that Khodorkovsky really knows what he is talking about. Being called a political prisoner, give him unique opportunity to be heard and maybe use it to his advantage (or advantage of other who will try to use it). Don't know much about it anyway.