SOTT and Metaphysics

[Bernhard]

(Note: I wasn't sure where to post this topic. Maybe it's better placed in the SOTT or Cass. section of the forum, but I didn't know under what category. If it's inappropriate here, please move it to where it should belong.)

Laura latest excellent article "The Gift of the Magi to the Elect - A Christmas Essay" http://www.sott.net/articles/show/220369-The-Gift-of-the-Magi-to-the-Elect-A-Christmas-Essay had some very interesting points. One that caught my attention was her mentioning of the Cassiopaean experiment and metaphysics, which she usually doesn't bring up on SOTT:

Here I'm going to bring up a topic that I don't often discuss on SOTT.net - my foray into superluminal communication - the Cassiopaean Experiment. I think I need to mention that we here at SOTT do get a lot of guidance from the Cs on the topic of world affairs even if that guidance is mainly suggesting that we research deeper - and hint at the direction or give some clue words... and they are right more often than not. After all, the Cs have said:

Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the 'past.' People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the 'Future.'

Everything that is happening right now on the planet is exactly what they predicted back in 1997 - 2000... I don't think we would have navigated through it as far as we had if we had not been getting this guidance. I don't know if you - the reader - have read The Wave" and "Adventures With Cassiopaea" or not, but I laid it all out online back in 1998 and '99 and so far, they've batted them out of the park repeatedly. So I'm inclined to give them a pretty high probability of being right much of the time.

As I said, I don't usually bring them into the discussion on the SOTT.net page because it's just not appropriate and I don't want to turn off the people who aren't into metaphysical stuff, but if there is something that is really difficult, we do ask. And very often the guiding hand of the Cs is behind the approach we take as well as the "side" we take on SOTT.

I commented on the article about that and wanted to bring it up here for some feedback and discussion. What I wrote was:

In regards to "metaphysical stuff", I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more of that on SOTT. But that's just my two cents.
Sure, some people may get "turned off" by it, but others may also get "turned on" and understand what really is at stake when putting topics of Psychopathy and "Believing in Lies" into a metaphysical or even esoteric context. I remember the article "Order Out of Chaos" from a while back http://www.sott.net/articles/show/151667-Order-Out-of-Chaos which included some deeper issues in that regard. It's an article I refer to to this day, because it really showed what is at stake from a "higher" perspective.

I understand that SOTT is trying to keep it on the "3D level" and it is important to reach people that way without "shying" them away, however at this point where we're at, it seems some people either get it or they don't. But maybe some people may get it actually more when including metaphysical aspects that have been explored and researched in the "The Wave" or "Secret History of the World".

Maybe it's time to reach those who have the eyes to see and ears to hear. It seems not everyone is going to "wake up" regardless. At least that my current understanding and perception. Fwiw....




I understand that there are issues of "external consideration" and "strategic enclosure" as the "forces of entropy" may attack even more viciously when bringing up the "topic of all topics" in regards to the hyperdimensional manipulation of humanity and other topics on SOTT. Knowing what kind of attacks Laura and the core of the group had to deal with in the past it makes sense to be more "silent" about certain topics and let people find them on their own.

However, I also feel (and I certainly may be mistaken here) that some people would actually have more of an open ear to subjects like Psychopathology, Ponerology and many global issues our world faces if they can see it in relation to something "higher" and how important it is to discern lies from truth when it comes to "Reality Creation" and metaphysical aspects. In other words, we may lose some readers, but also gain others. And maybe this group and network is stronger now than it was in the past to deal with the repercussions of bringing up more of these subjects when the usual accusations come up. But I understand that this is easier for me to say than for the ones who have been through this and are more prone to be attacked when getting into certain "taboo" subjects.

I've been also thinking about this in regards to the C's latest session, where they said:

Q: (L) I’ve been thinking that it might soon be time for us to cease all of our extreme activities, and just run the forum in a careful way. It doesn’t seem that anything is going to change anything very much. Is that useful thought to follow?

A: Not yet, but yes eventually. It will be time to devote yourselves to helping those who have made the choice to be ready for the changes.

As the changes are becoming more and more apparent and the veil is thinning, maybe it makes sense and it is a "natural" development to bring in more metaphysical (4D) issues besides the focus on 3D aspects covered on SOTT for the ones who "made the choice to be ready for the changes". In a sense, aren't the changes on a metaphysical level (3D ---> 4D) also the Signs of the Times in these days?

I feel that there is a wealth of information in "The Wave", "High Strangeness" or "TSHOTW" that would compliment much of what is posted on SOTT. Laura's article "Order Out of Chaos" is a great example of fusing 3D reality with 4D metaphysical understanding, osit.

I'm also reminded of something from a session (January 18, 2003) written in "High Strangeness" (p. 276):

Q:(L) I think people concentrating on the anti-war thing is a waste of time. I think they ought to be concentrating on the "impeach Bush" issue. But then, what good would it do to impeach Bush. Same thing would have happened with Gore. Until people wake up to the reality of fourth density manipulation, we are all in deep doo doo.
A: True.

So maybe (and it's a big maybe), it is starting to become more "appropriate" to include some of the metaphysical topics on SOTT?

Fwiw...

 

[Aaron r]

Hi Spiral Out, I think this is an interesting topic to discuss. I also think it leads to the question of how do people, that have the ability to, wake up to reality. I certainly know I do not have the level of knowledge or being to facilitate that. The best I think I can do is point people to the Sott website and let them see for themselves.

What I think though is you have to earn this knowledge. If you don't earn it through your life experiences you won't recognize it's value and I kind of think you have not built the necessary foundation to integrate it.

With the Sott website, the metaphysical stuff is all there but not if you don't scratch the surface. And scratching the surface of reality is what you have to do to start seeing what is going on. I kind of feel that if people are really interested, they will delve into the website and find the answers for themselves. It is part of the learning of how to gain knowledge and build being. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Bernhard]

Hi Spiral Out, I think this is an interesting topic to discuss. I also think it leads to the question of how do people, that have the ability to, wake up to reality. I certainly know I do not have the level of knowledge or being to facilitate that. The best I think I can do is point people to the Sott website and let them see for themselves.

What I think though is you have to earn this knowledge. If you don't earn it through your life experiences you won't recognize it's value and I kind of think you have not built the necessary foundation to integrate it.

With the Sott website, the metaphysical stuff is all there but not if you don't scratch the surface. And scratching the surface of reality is what you have to do to start seeing what is going on. I kind of feel that if people are really interested, they will delve into the website and find the answers for themselves. It is part of the learning of how to gain knowledge and build being. Just my 2 cents.

Good points aaron and I agree. One certainly has to earn this knowledge through sincere work and effort. I wasn't implying to "give it all away" and I can see where certain SOTT articles give some hints to this kind of knowledge. I was also more thinking in lines of the rising pseudo spirituality and new age ideas that seem to become more and more popular and I thought that was very well addressed in "Order out of Chaos". For example one of the last comments on Laura's last article by moby1325:

Extinction of our race is the inevinable outcome? How dark is our mood here? Ever hear of the law of attraction? Watch what you wish for, stop giving energy to the dark side and it will cease. 2012 is coming and a new age is almost upon us so make it a bright new age, talking about how bad it is and focusing on how bad it is is not going to make it better.

What moby1325 wrote I hear a lot. I don't know about anybody else, but in my surroundings many people are aware of some of the issues the world faces, but they think they can "think it" or "manifest" it away based on very questionable new age concepts that seem to do more harm than any good, regardless of how well the intent is. I can see that more and more people look for spiritual/metaphysical answers to their problems and the problems in the world. There is a lot of talk about "Reality Creation" or "we experience what we focus on/think about", all of which keeps people in even more of a subjective tunnel vision ("...deceiving the very Elect!"), denying that there is any "objective reality"....as if everyone lives in a vacuum. As we know there is much Disinfo and Cointelpro in these areas as well, so they eat lie with the truth when looking for something "higher" that gives them meaning so to speak. In this day and age people seem to become more desperate to look for a "way out". In the past the opium was dogmatic religion. Nowadays it's the New Age.

Again, just my 2 cents and thoughts as of late.

 

[Aaron r]

Sorry Spiral Out, it wasn't my intention to imply that you wanted to give it all away. I did not also mean to imply that someone should be a gatekeeper of the knowledge and only give it to the "worthy". It is a vexing question. Countering the pseudo spirituality with truth sounds like a good idea. Kind of like give the lie what it asks for. Suppose it's 4 cents now :)

 

[de-tached]

Considering the points brought up in this post, as well as Laura's update on Facebook:

Sure, some people may get "turned off" by it, but others may also get "turned on" and understand what really is at stake when putting topics of Psychopathy and "Believing in Lies" into a metaphysical or even esoteric context. I remember the article "Order Out of Chaos" from a while back http://www.sott.net/articles/show/151667-Order-Out-of-Chaos which included some deeper issues in that regard. It's an article I refer to to this day, because it really showed what is at stake from a "higher" perspective.

I understand that SOTT is trying to keep it on the "3D level" and it is important to reach people that way without "shying" them away, however at this point where we're at, it seems some people either get it or they don't. But maybe some people may get it actually more when including metaphysical aspects that have been explored and researched in the "The Wave" or "Secret History of the World".

Maybe it's time to reach those who have the eyes to see and ears to hear. It seems not everyone is going to "wake up" regardless. At least that my current understanding and perception. Fwiw....

I agree. Considering SOTT's sterling track record, I feel they can trust their way of "connecting the dots" to persuade skeptics and critics in to "broadening their horizons", so to speak. There will always be some friction from some people, but that's how you know you're on to something! Heck, if a hard-nosed rationalist like Dolan would write the forward to High Strangeness, that's a pretty good indication!
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/165468-Book-Review-The-High-Strangeness-of-Dimensions-Densities-and-the-Process-of-Alien-Abduction

Consider this article:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/183873-Famed-UFO-historian-humanity-may-be-targeted-by-predatory-Reptilian-extraterrestrial-species

...which at the end Laura notes:

[quote author=Laura]
"As noted, for some strange reason this idea seems to be consistently avoided in the media... as you have avoided it as well."
[/quote]

Of course, but why not use SOTT (a media outlet) more to address this topic?

Collectively speaking, metaphysics holds a tremendous interest and can be an illuminating, prosperous, and profitable point of focus in objectively "connecting the dots".

Granted, from a conservative standpoint, there may SEEM to be more money and attention from people who are primarily focused on the condition of the fire, but considering the situation, it's getting to be about time for that controlled burn, to see the forest from BEYOND the trees and consolidate the efforts of those most able will prove to be most fruitful and communally valuable in the long run.

Q: (L) I’ve been thinking that it might soon be time for us to cease all of our extreme activities, and just run the forum in a careful way. It doesn’t seem that anything is going to change anything very much. Is that useful thought to follow?

A: Not yet, but yes eventually. It will be time to devote yourselves to helping those who have made the choice to be ready for the changes.

The universe is always listening, and change may not be easy, but sometimes a leap of faith is required.