States Petitioning to Secede from US

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Hey everybody! I'm sorry I don't have more time to really look into this and post more information right now, but I just got wind of the fact that apparently 19 or so states have now made up petitions to secede from the United States of America. Here is one article on the subject:



As a result of Tuesday's election, Americans in 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States, Regina Conley reported at Red Alert Politics on Saturday.

So far, she says, residents in Louisiana, Texas, Kentucky, Colorado, New Jersey and ten other states, have filed petitions at the White House petition site requesting secession. A petition for New York to secede was file by "C R" of Grand Forks, North Dakota on Saturday.

Examiner's Sheila Carroll says those other states include Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia and Oregon.

On November 7, the day after the election, "Michael E" from Slidell, Louisiana, filed a petition at the White House "We the People" site, requesting that Louisiana be allowed to secede.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation," the petition reads, quoting the Declaration of Independence.

As of this writing, the petition has 8.162 signatures and needs 16,838 to reach a goal of 25,000.

On Friday, a Texas resident created a petition to secede in order to protect the standard of living Texans now enjoy.

"The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect its citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government," the petition reads.

As of this writing, that petition had 5,289 signatures.

The Oregon petition, started Saturday by "Kristopher W" of Tillamook, Oregon, wants the state to remain an ally of the United States and possibly vote to rejoin the Union once "the citizens of Oregon felt the Federal Government was no longer imposing" what it calls a tyrannical government that cares nothing about the future of Oregon's children."

Petitions on the White House site have 30 days to reach a threshold of 25,000 signatures.

"While these petitions serve more to make a point than to present a serious proposition, they are a physical symbol of the deep resentment for the direction in which the United States is moving under the Obama administration," Conley added.

http://www.examiner.com/article/citizens-15-states-file-petitions-to-secede-from-united-states
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I haven't really had time to think about this much at all, but I searched on our site here and didn't find anything (mods forgive me if I was wrong), so I just kind of wanted to address the issue and get it on here for us all to start doin' our thing, pickin' it apart 'n such
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Initial impressions are:
How serious will this play out to be?
Thoughts of Civil War if it became serious enough (after all, didn't the Civil War start akin to states seceding, etc.)?
If war of any kind, what would be the purpose of the PTB in starting a war in the United States?
Is this all just a setup for a newer, better military police state?
I certainly don't believe this would be any kind of "people who are all looking out for the betterment of all mankind are starting to speak out more" happening (please! let me be wrong..), so I have to ask just what is being set up to happen here? This is the first stage of...?


I'll gather more on this and post back when I can. For now..a much needed reprieve.

Thoughts? Anyone? Everyone?
 
Well, it's published on "examiner.com", so that's your first clue.
 
Laura said:
Well, it's published on "examiner.com", so that's your first clue.
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Yep, and it's not the states themselves that have petitioned, it's certain citizens in the states. They then have to get a certain number of signatures for anyone to really look at it and, even then, I'm not sure, realistically, what would even happen. In other words, it's much ado about nothing.
 
It's now on The Washington Post's Blog site: _http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/11/12/states-petition-obama-administration-to-secede/

I've found this piece of the blog interesting:

From states across the country, Americans have filed petitions on the White House Web site seeking to secede from the union and form new state governments.

While most of the petitions come from states that supported Mitt Romney in last week’s election, a few swing states and even the deep blue Northeast are represented.

Petitions have been filed for Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.
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Perhaps the Americans who voted for Mitt Romney are acting in retaliation for Romney's loss in the election by wanting their own states to be seceded from "Obama's government." When Romney lost last week, a few co-workers at my job have talked about doing something about it and they were very angry about it.
 
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Well, it's published on "examiner.com", so that's your first clue.

[Anart]
Yep, and it's not the states themselves that have petitioned, it's certain citizens in the states. They then have to get a certain number of signatures for anyone to really look at it and, even then, I'm not sure, realistically, what would even happen. In other words, it's much ado about nothing.
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Hmm.. forgive my impatience in posting then, perhaps. I didn't mean to jump the gun on nothing.

I was just curious what the general reaction might be. It only takes a small handful of people doing something to spark up others doing their own versions of things. Texas apparently needs only 3,xxx more signatures to be granted a read by the President (or whatever, you know). Maybe some people (esp. in Texas) take that as some kind of 'alarming new information' and get crazy ideas? Do we think that anyone is going to look at 20 states petitioning the government and go around starting trouble?

Or rather more likely, it seems to be just another distraction for us all to worry about and pay attention to then?


Perhaps the Americans who voted for Mitt Romney are acting in retaliation for Romney's loss in the election by wanting their own states to be seceded from "Obama's government." When Romney lost last week, a few co-workers at my job have talked about doing something about it and they were very angry about it.
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I think that may be a good part of it. I also saw some articles about how it may be a racial issue. So for one reason or another, a bunch of people don't like Obama for whatever reason and now there's this 'states petitioning to secede from the U.S.' After a little more thought on it it seems this actually isn't so uncommon. Apparently Michigan has fairly often tried joining WI, seceding and the like, and Texas has always been more than a little seperatist, etc.

Also, like I said, apologies for the article, especially from an untrustworthy news source. I didn't intend to say I take everything it says as factual or truthful. It was very late and I was very tired and simply needed an article (and there were less at the time to choose from) to give the subject matter so we could discuss it. I suppose late at night right before bed might be a better time to draft some ideas, mark a few tabs in my browser and just go to sleep.



I'm sorry if I started up a thread here inappropriately in any way. Maybe I should lurk a little more and post a little less... :oops:
 
Zadius Sky said:
It's now on The Washington Post's Blog site: _http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/11/12/states-petition-obama-administration-to-secede/

I've found this piece of the blog interesting:

From states across the country, Americans have filed petitions on the White House Web site seeking to secede from the union and form new state governments.

While most of the petitions come from states that supported Mitt Romney in last week’s election, a few swing states and even the deep blue Northeast are represented.

Petitions have been filed for Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.
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Perhaps the Americans who voted for Mitt Romney are acting in retaliation for Romney's loss in the election by wanting their own states to be seceded from "Obama's government." When Romney lost last week, a few co-workers at my job have talked about doing something about it and they were very angry about it.
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I don't know if anything will come out of this, other than probably bigger chasm among the US population. Reading the above this image from V for Vendetta came to mind: the TV is showing the news, war scenes on the background, and the reporter saying, "And the civil war continues in the US....".
 
Also, even if citizens in certain states actually got the necessary amount of votes they needed, they probably still wouldn't be able to secede.

_http://www.ibtimes.com/could-texas-actually-secede-united-states-876060
 
The civil war that brought the Republic of Rome to an end and launched the reign of Augustus lasted for over 20 years.
 
« Reply #2 of Anart on: November 12, 2012, 02:54:02 PM »

Yep, and it's not the states themselves that have petitioned, it's certain citizens in the states.


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caballero reyes said:
« Reply #2 of Anart on: November 12, 2012, 02:54:02 PM »

Yep, and it's not the states themselves that have petitioned, it's certain citizens in the states.


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Perhaps in theory, but not in reality. It's a nice idea, it's just not true and hasn't been for a very, very long time - if ever.
 
I think the comment that it's only certain citizens in the States that have signed the petitions was geared more in line with the comment on how it seems most of the petitions came from Romney-supportive states, and the idea that generally speaking, these petitions aren't really the 'voice of the people', but rather of a (potenially questionable-not referring specifically here) few.

All the people in the world must remember: The CITIZENS ARE the State.
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Well, they CAN be, if they all act together. If the citizens don't network and cooperate towards a common goal, however, I think the PTB cooperating together towards their ends would actually 'be the state'. Kind of a large-scale 'I have more friends on my side of the battlefield' idea. I'd say whoever more fully cooperates towards similar, shared ends has the power.
-just a thought at the moment.
 
TheLostBoy said:
I think the comment that it's only certain citizens in the States that have signed the petitions was geared more in line with the comment on how it seems most of the petitions came from Romney-supportive states, and the idea that generally speaking, these petitions aren't really the 'voice of the people', but rather of a (potenially questionable-not referring specifically here) few.

All the people in the world must remember: The CITIZENS ARE the State.
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Well, they CAN be, if they all act together. If the citizens don't network and cooperate towards a common goal, however, I think the PTB cooperating together towards their ends would actually 'be the state'. Kind of a large-scale 'I have more friends on my side of the battlefield' idea. I'd say whoever more fully cooperates towards similar, shared ends has the power.
-just a thought at the moment.
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I'd say they COULD be, if we lived in an ideal world, where a 'piece of paper' like the constitution or declaration of independence, etc would still matter, maybe than. Anart's comment says it all imo.

anart said:
Perhaps in theory, but not in reality. It's a nice idea, it's just not true and hasn't been for a very, very long time - if ever.
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To which I meant exactly and I could not explain well, it is about two ways to control governments: The "Referendum" and the "Plebiscitum". I think that's what the firms are picking. IN REAL LIFE, has been effective in other countries. Are there these forms of control in those U.S. states that want to seced? I ask because I do not know if these forms of control governments exist in the U.S. Constitution, if it really is a proper constitution of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AS AN INDEPENDENT NATION and in case you may know your Constitution.
 
I could argue whether or not having any kinds of those measures even matters, since most of the time balancing measures like referendums, etc. aren't operating like they should and have not nearly enough real effect.

I was meaning more along the lines like, if all the 'people who think' were to gather en masse, quitting everything except changing the foundation of our society, marching on capitols (just a type of example), etc. all coordinated and with the same goal in mind for objectively better change - I think it could be done.
Has that ever happened fully as I'm thinking in history? Not that I'm aware of, very much agreeing with Anart in that way.
 
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