"Talks with a devil" by Ouspensky

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I have been re-reading "talks with a devil" after 20 years ,and with the information on Organic Portals that we were given I was shocked to see it there in some form:
the book is in 2 parts ,both entertaining.This is an excerpt from the second part, "the Benevolent Devil" : the Devil explains :

"Without realizing it,the descendants of Adam are trying the whole time to separate themselves from the descendants of the animals .
We [him and his devils] struggle against this separation,either by assuring Adam's descendants that the descendants of the animals are their brothers,
and have souls like their own,or on the contrary,by convincing them that they are all descendants of the animals and that none of them has a soul.
You grasp our idea,the idea of equality and fraternity.More than anything else, it discourages the separation of the two.But the descendants of Adam
are unable to carry such a load for long, and they are constantly sinking under the weight of it and surrendering to those same descendants of animals.
As a result the descendants of animals have taken over the earth and the descendants of Adam are serving them".
"But why do they serve?I still don't understand," I said.
"Because the descendants of the animals are unable to manage without the descendants of Adam,"said the Devil. "You see, they cannot do anything
on their own;like monkeys, all they can do is copy what the descendants of Adam have done, or alternatively destroy whatever comes their way.
But Adam's descendants can create and destroy endlessly.Where they lead, all life follows.Without them, the descendants of the animals wouldn't
have gone far.But Adam's descendants are not free, they are subordinate to the animals.That is why they so often destroy what they themselves have built."


Ouspensky wrote this novel just before he met Gurdjieff.The first part illustrates the idea of recurrence.The second how the "devils"manage to keep men out of touch
with the "Miraculous", how they block the perception of higher worlds.

Great read and not too long.
 
Aren't the concepts of Adamic and pre-Adamic a way of understanding those who think independently about our human predicament, and those who either adopt the beliefs of others or are without capacity for independent rational and critical thought about moral and existential issues? Or is this too simplistic an understanding of the difference between the two 'races'?
 
monksgirl said:
Aren't the concepts of Adamic and pre-Adamic a way of understanding those who think independently about our human predicament, and those who either adopt the beliefs of others or are without capacity for independent rational and critical thought about moral and existential issues? Or is this too simplistic an understanding of the difference between the two 'races'?

Yours is more a description of behavior than of substance. Both Adamic and Pre-Adamic races can adopt beliefs of others, think independently or not, etc., for the most part. In fact, until an Adamic begins to fuse a singular 'I' - or develop the seed of their individuated soul - they are pretty much indistinguishable from a Pre-Adamic. It basically comes down to a very particular distinction: Adamics are born with the seed of an individuated soul that must be developed through work and learning and a Pre-Adamic is born with more of a group soul, slightly akin to many 2D entities. Pre-Adamics are at a developmental stage that rather bridges 2D and 3D - thus their state of being, which they must also develop, eventually individuating over lifetimes of work and learning. At least this is a simplified description of hypothesis (and my current understanding). As always, there is much that is yet to be understood about the variations and intricacies of the situation. Have you had a chance to read the entire Wave Series yet?

Added: this thread goes into more detailed discussion on it - http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=457.msg1905#msg1905
 
I have not read the full series, about half of the total, but I have read portions of each. I have the usual excuse, so many books, and so little time.
 
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