Tarot cards

[Miss.K]

I sometimes use Tarot cards.

As I see it they are too precise to dismiss, but not precise enough to base important decisions on, which leaves one in an impossible situation, similar to the Alchemy joke where the master is finally going to tell the student how to make gold, and after explaining how to mix ingredients say "But the most important part is, that during the process you must not at any time....(student nodding eagerly)...think about a hippopotamus!" (hehehe It's sooo funny I think)

Anyways, my thoughts about Tarot cards are that I can't know if what they say is what I feel, or what is. And so one who is free of fears and emotional insanity, can use them for finding out what they already know intuitively, but if one has fears and emotional insanity, what the cards reflect might be just that, more than what is.

As I'm in the process of finding a new home, I have used them a bit lately (how will it be to live in this place or that)
And I keep getting very positive cards on a certain area, where I can't find any houses so my cat would be able to go out hunting, though there is the possibility of a few flats. And keep getting negative outcomes for other places I ask about (keep getting cards mean having asked 5 or 6 times over a week, and results of the cards, though different cards, consistent in meaning)

I'm wondering what that is about, I mean is it possible that I somehow intuitively know that I have to go to this place, so I should do my best to get there, or is it pure coincidence, or have i gone insane and for some reason think that living in this place that I don't know anything about will be beneficial to me more than other places? (I mean does it even matter if one is in one place or another)

I'm sorry, I know that there is probably no way you can answer that, so it is probably a stupid question, but as it is on my mind, I thought I'd put my thoughts about it out here..

 

[loreta]

I am not an expert on Tarot cards but I have the impression that they are more about one-self than anything else, when you are not an "expert" to read the Tarot for others. Tarot cards are very symbolic and can help to understand or give insights about many things, if you have the good base to understand Tarot cards. Not the usual book that you can find in the bookstores under the section "help yourself". Tarot cards, specially the Tarot of Marseille is very interesting.

I wish you good luck for your new home, this is not easy to find a place, to change, to move... Never sure if the decision is the good one or not, but with thinking and analyzing the situation, taking you time and listen to your intuition can help the move. Are you looking in a particular place, country?

I used to used, many years ago, the Tarot for answer some decisions then I decided to put my Tarot aside because it can be an obsession, it was for me. I didn't have the good knowledge about Tarot.

Good luck with your search of the house!

 

[Miss.K]

I am not an expert on Tarot cards but I have the impression that they are more about one-self than anything else, when you are not an "expert" to read the Tarot for others. Tarot cards are very symbolic and can help to understand or give insights about many things, if you have the good base to understand Tarot cards. Not the usual book that you can find in the bookstores under the section "help yourself". Tarot cards, specially the Tarot of Marseille is very interesting.

I wish you good luck for your new home, this is not easy to find a place, to change, to move... Never sure if the decision is the good one or not, but with thinking and analyzing the situation, taking you time and listen to your intuition can help the move. Are you looking in a particular place, country?

I used to used, many years ago, the Tarot for answer some decisions then I decided to put my Tarot aside because it can be an obsession, it was for me. I didn't have the good knowledge about Tarot.

Good luck with your search of the house!

Thank you Loreta,

I did at some point years ago forbid myself to use them for a long time, as I didn't think it was healthy for me at that point and confused me more than helped (also they kept saying that I couldn't get anything I wanted but that I only would be happy if I gave up anything I wanted, and I was pretty offended by that, though I think they might have been right), but later I started to use them with more of a testing attitude, (and perhaps as a training in not thinking of a hippopotamus while making gold) and also being mindful about obsessiveness.

I don't have a deck anymore so I take them online, and I mix a bit of what the text says, and what the picture says, and what my experience with a certain card says for interpretation, I don't know how accurate my interpretations are, but when there is pictures of happy people dancing around I interpret is as more positive than crying people murdered by swords :)

I'm looking for a place to live in Spain. I've chosen Spain because I speak Spanish fairly well, and because I hope the Ice age starts in the north and progresses south, and until it comes the climate is great here (I also feel more home somehow in some ways among latin people, than further north) also because life is cheaper here, so I can live on the money I make (so far) as opposed to still have headaches about how to pay the rent and warm up the house in the winter while working.

I really like the ocean, but am slightly uncomfortable with the thought of tsunamis, so I'm somehow more attracted to the east coast than the west, because the east ocean is smaller (this might be really silly)
But it doesn't have to be by the ocean either.

I would like to find a place where there might be some people to interact with. Living all alone in the middle of nowhere can be a bit lonely even with a cat, and though I don't go out often enough to justify living in a big city, it is nice that there is the option of going out and talking to people, or seeing someone play a concert.

I lived as a hermit for almost 4 years in the middle of nowhere (in Denmark), and the last 2 years I've been living in Madrid, and I think that some middle way between having country peace and still have a village where there is some people to talk to sometimes would perhaps be more healthy for my emotions that going back to complete hermit life.

Do you happen to know about some really great areas?

 

[mimimari]

I sometimes use Tarot cards.

As I see it they are too precise to dismiss, but not precise enough to base important decisions on, which leaves one in an impossible situation, similar to the Alchemy joke where the master is finally going to tell the student how to make gold, and after explaining how to mix ingredients say "But the most important part is, that during the process you must not at any time....(student nodding eagerly)...think about a hippopotamus!" (hehehe It's sooo funny I think)

Anyways, my thoughts about Tarot cards are that I can't know if what they say is what I feel, or what is. And so one who is free of fears and emotional insanity, can use them for finding out what they already know intuitively, but if one has fears and emotional insanity, what the cards reflect might be just that, more than what is.

As I'm in the process of finding a new home, I have used them a bit lately (how will it be to live in this place or that)
And I keep getting very positive cards on a certain area, where I can't find any houses so my cat would be able to go out hunting, though there is the possibility of a few flats. And keep getting negative outcomes for other places I ask about (keep getting cards mean having asked 5 or 6 times over a week, and results of the cards, though different cards, consistent in meaning)

I'm wondering what that is about, I mean is it possible that I somehow intuitively know that I have to go to this place, so I should do my best to get there, or is it pure coincidence, or have i gone insane and for some reason think that living in this place that I don't know anything about will be beneficial to me more than other places? (I mean does it even matter if one is in one place or another)

I'm sorry, I know that there is probably no way you can answer that, so it is probably a stupid question, but as it is on my mind, I thought I'd put my thoughts about it out here..

I am not an expert on Tarot cards but I have the impression that they are more about one-self than anything else, when you are not an "expert" to read the Tarot for others. Tarot cards are very symbolic and can help to understand or give insights about many things, if you have the good base to understand Tarot cards. Not the usual book that you can find in the bookstores under the section "help yourself". Tarot cards, specially the Tarot of Marseille is very interesting.

Hello Miss K, thanks for sharing this. I am not a expert on Tarot cards either, but I use them occasionally also. I agree that Tarot cards can be semi-accurate, but not something to base big decisions on. When I use the Tarot it is usually with the question of "Is there something I am overlooking" about any particular situation, or also just advice in general about things. I think they can be helpful in pointing to directions where research can be done.

Lately, I have been using a pendulum to help get more accuracy with the cards and it seems to work a bit but, the interpretations of the cards are the most difficult part for me. As Loreta is saying, the cards are very symbolic, and there are so many sites on the net and books in the "self-help" sections at stores, that give a list of adjectives or these fluffy new agey 'meanings' that it can be very difficult to get any kind of real info about a card and some info about the symbolism in it.

A few examples that come to mind, one card will have a person with one foot in water and the other foot on land; another holding their hand up in something like a peace sign, but closed. There are a lot of symbols with Bulls, birds, and other animals. I don't know if these have any meaning and if so, what those meaning are. Maybe just for pretty designs.

I wish you good luck for your new home, this is not easy to find a place, to change, to move... Never sure if the decision is the good one or not, but with thinking and analyzing the situation, taking you time and listen to your intuition can help the move. Are you looking in a particular place, country?

Agree here also. Taking some time to do research and taking everything into consideration when moving, not just the cards, is a good idea, OSIT.

Good luck on finding a new home that is suitable for you and your kitty.

 

[casper]

I'm looking for a place to live in Spain.
I really like the ocean, but am slightly uncomfortable with the thought of tsunamis, so I'm somehow more attracted to the east coast than the west, because the east ocean is smaller (this might be really silly)
But it doesn't have to be by the ocean either.


Do you happen to know about some really great areas?

I was been in Spain on the east coast,and it is beautiful,I don't know is there a apartment for rent, but here is the link about some little town:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/minube/10-spanish-villages-for-a_b_3401187.html.

 

[Miss.K]

Lately, I have been using a pendulum to help get more accuracy with the cards and it seems to work a bit but, the interpretations of the cards are the most difficult part for me. As Loreta is saying, the cards are very symbolic, and there are so many sites on the net and books in the "self-help" sections at stores, that give a list of adjectives or these fluffy new agey 'meanings' that it can be very difficult to get any kind of real info about a card and some info about the symbolism in it.

A few examples that come to mind, one card will have a person with one foot in water and the other foot on land; another holding their hand up in something like a peace sign, but closed. There are a lot of symbols with Bulls, birds, and other animals. I don't know if these have any meaning and if so, what those meaning are. Maybe just for pretty designs.

I had a tarot book once that was written in rhymes that I kind of liked, but I don't take what I read too literally.
There might be meanings I don't get, but even if something means "you will get 12 cows tomorrow" and all I get is a feeling of abundance coming, then it is good enough for me.

I for example often get wands for questions about work, and cups for questions of friendship and money, or the devil when the totally cute guy I've seen somewhere happens to already have a partner, or the star if I ask how it will affect my life to interact with this group, and even though those cards might have several meanings I don't understand, I think the meaning makes enough sense for me..So I'm not so bothered by interpretation, perhaps because I don't try to understand the full meaning...I don't know if this is good or bad.

In this particular situation, I think that I have asked the cards enough, and have to focus on some research of places, and I also have a strange feeling that something will come up that will make the decision clear, but this may of cause just be me putting off making a decision that I find difficult to make, and so fantasizing that it will solve itself...

I was been in Spain on the east coast,and it is beautiful,I don't know is there a apartment for rent, but here is the link about some little town:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/minube/10-spanish-villages-for-a_b_3401187.html.

Thanks Casper, they look beautiful.
I'm actually more looking on information on how people are, as it is my concern that I should try to not put myself in a situation where I'll be more lonely than necessary (though I am a sucker for beauty)
Like there are some pretty great very cheap houses in the countryside in Murcia, but I have a feeling that Murcia might not be the friendliest and most social place in Spain (might just be rumours) And I would prefer to avoid tourist hellish places, and would love some local music scene.... :)

 

[loreta]

I was living in a village of about 20 people, 40 during summer time, and apart the stars and the silence I didn't like it very much because of the big solitude I felt and the cold and because I was afar of everything with nobody to talk or see. It was horrible. I came to live to Palmas de Gran Canaria, and here in the capital everything seems different, the people are really, really gentle here and there is many, many nationalities, I adore this city. But Spain is a bad country, I think so. Bad politicians, corruption, etc. For me for now it is ok, but not eternally. Life is not cheap here but the weather is perfect. You go outside and you can talk to everyone, on the streets, in the buss, in the stores, everywhere people is communicative. You walk a little bit and the ocean is there, in front of you, and not far away Africa is there. You are in the middle of the ocean, as an isle, and you feel you are in the middle of the world. I love to live in a island, you feel far away of the chaos and at the same time you can see everything as from another perspective. And in this city people have many dogs, and cats. Apartments are around 500 euros, or a little less, I pay 445. In the village I was paying 150 euros but for heating the house we spent around 300 euros each month. And people where really, really, really boring! The big conversation turned around cows and sheep. Or poultry.

Take your time to think about where you can go and start to look for cities that are not very big, not to small. Palmas de Gran Canaria is a city not too big and not too small. And the island is very beautiful. You have mountains, forests, beaches. And the most important: the gentleness of the inhabitants.

About the Tarot: long years ago I found a very interesting book about the Tarot of Marseille, a very very good book that explained the cards from an historical and symbolic perspective, it was really good! It was a sort of book that put a light on these cards, but unfortunately I loose the title and the author. But reading the cards from Internet of from books from the "new age" section I think it is a waist of time. You can also try to understand the symbols on the cards but from a Jungian vision, or others serious symbols analysis.

Keep up post of your quest for the move. Moving is hard but it is also very fun. :)

 

[Miss.K]

I was living in a village of about 20 people, 40 during summer time, and apart the stars and the silence I didn't like it very much because of the big solitude I felt and the cold and because I was afar of everything with nobody to talk or see. It was horrible. I came to live to Palmas de Gran Canaria, and here in the capital everything seems different, the people are really, really gentle here and there is many, many nationalities, I adore this city. But Spain is a bad country, I think so. Bad politicians, corruption, etc. For me for now it is ok, but not eternally. Life is not cheap here but the weather is perfect. You go outside and you can talk to everyone, on the streets, in the buss, in the stores, everywhere people is communicative. You walk a little bit and the ocean is there, in front of you, and not far away Africa is there. You are in the middle of the ocean, as an isle, and you feel you are in the middle of the world. I love to live in a island, you feel far away of the chaos and at the same time you can see everything as from another perspective. And in this city people have many dogs, and cats. Apartments are around 500 euros, or a little less, I pay 445. In the village I was paying 150 euros but for heating the house we spent around 300 euros each month. And people where really, really, really boring! The big conversation turned around cows and sheep. Or poultry.

Take your time to think about where you can go and start to look for cities that are not very big, not to small. Palmas de Gran Canaria is a city not too big and not too small. And the island is very beautiful. You have mountains, forests, beaches. And the most important: the gentleness of the inhabitants.

About the Tarot: long years ago I found a very interesting book about the Tarot of Marseille, a very very good book that explained the cards from an historical and symbolic perspective, it was really good! It was a sort of book that put a light on these cards, but unfortunately I loose the title and the author. But reading the cards from Internet of from books from the "new age" section I think it is a waist of time. You can also try to understand the symbols on the cards but from a Jungian vision, or others serious symbols analysis.

Keep up post of your quest for the move. Moving is hard but it is also very fun. :)

It is partly because I remember reading a post of yours about how bad it was where you lived before you moved to Gran Canaria, that I was a bit worried about choosing the wrong place in Spain. I'm happy to hear that it's still great to have moved for you :)

I've been thinking of the Canaries, but it's the living in the middle of the ocean that made me choose the peninsula (but of cause one cannot know if the island will be the only thing standing in upcoming catastrophes)
I have been there on vacation many years ago, and the climate is lovely, and people mild and friendly I thought.

Though I do agree that Spain is a bad country, I don't think there is any good countries (perhaps Russia, I've been thinking about that, but outside Europe is more difficult for me)
Ever since 9/11 when it became obvious that the world had gone mad. I felt more and more ashamed of my country. Not that I agreed with the politics before, but everything was less bad, or less obviously idiotic/psychopathic, and before I didn't feel ashamed, as it was politicians against people, but when people started to buy the BS and change, that's when I felt ashamed of my people.

I imagine I would feel the same about Spain if it was my motherland, but what I feel is that I prefer Spain, not only for climate, or being able to survive on my money (I usually work for Scandinavian companies, and Scandinavian salaries are higher than Spanish+Spanish tax is less than Scandinavian so I found a hole in the system that makes me able to survive) But for the people....
I find some humanity in Latin people that seems to have been lost in the north. I also think that the fact that people suffer worse from the crisis in Spain makes them more aware of the fact that it was the banks that stole their money. I haven't seen anything in Denmark like the Mayor of Marinaleda who took food from the shops to give to the poor.

In Denmark, if things are going bad, and one has severe problems with money, or just if one is not happy for a long time, there is both the problem that one has, and also the problem of other people looking down at one. As if they truly believe that Danish society is so safe and good that if one has a problem it must be that one is to blame. I've always liked about Spain that there is somehow an acceptance of suffering (no hay penas mas grandes que las mias Óle) and one isn't labeled bad if one suffers. I've always thought that Spain was one of the best places to suffer :)

Well I've totally gone off topic here, but my mind is so occupied with the moving thing that it doesn't care about tarot cards anymore.

Thank you for listening and caring and inputs

 

[Leonarda]

Though I do agree that Spain is a bad country, I don't think there is any good countries (perhaps Russia, I've been thinking about that, but outside Europe is more difficult for me)
Ever since 9/11 when it became obvious that the world had gone mad. I felt more and more ashamed of my country. Not that I agreed with the politics before, but everything was less bad, or less obviously idiotic/psychopathic, and before I didn't feel ashamed, as it was politicians against people, but when people started to buy the BS and change, that's when I felt ashamed of my people.

I imagine I would feel the same about Spain if it was my motherland, but what I feel is that I prefer Spain, not only for climate, or being able to survive on my money (I usually work for Scandinavian companies, and Scandinavian salaries are higher than Spanish+Spanish tax is less than Scandinavian so I found a hole in the system that makes me able to survive) But for the people....
I find some humanity in Latin people that seems to have been lost in the north. I also think that the fact that people suffer worse from the crisis in Spain makes them more aware of the fact that it was the banks that stole their money. I haven't seen anything in Denmark like the Mayor of Marinaleda who took food from the shops to give to the poor.

In Denmark, if things are going bad, and one has severe problems with money, or just if one is not happy for a long time, there is both the problem that one has, and also the problem of other people looking down at one. As if they truly believe that Danish society is so safe and good that if one has a problem it must be that one is to blame. I've always liked about Spain that there is somehow an acceptance of suffering (no hay penas mas grandes que las mias Óle) and one isn't labeled bad if one suffers. I've always thought that Spain was one of the best places to suffer :)

Well I've totally gone off topic here, but my mind is so occupied with the moving thing that it doesn't care about tarot cards anymore.

Thank you for listening and caring and inputs

You must know that Spain is NOT what it is said in the news, there are many, many horrible things that will never be published by the mass media, think about the franklin scandal, think about Dutroux case.. this kind of thing I'm referring to. Children dissapear here, their mutilated corpses are found and authorities tell the parents to go home and cry there.. official news (if there is any, because many aren't even published) say "don't worry, it's a lonely wolf.." and people don't ask questions and quickly forget. And then, Spain (at least the last 20 years) has had a STRONG relationship both with Israel and the CIA, Mossad agents have used this country to arm and train mercenaries that are used in different wars with the complacency and help of our politics.
The ETA organization was highly infiltrated by spanish policemen so that they could control the drug market. and it is said that those infiltrated ones were the most bloody murderers.It is not casual that many of the victims of ETA were people against/critic the system. Our politics have important bussiness with Mexico and Argentina,with a lot of money involved.. and this is just to name a few.

Look at the latest news about Javier Lopez Villar,a business man close friend (if not closest) of the actual King and Queen (she goes to his house every Sunday to practice yoga, until the scandal went public) who was denounced by a woman doctor because (she said) he used the secret services to hire a killer, she was stabbed twice (one of them his 10 year old son was present) and what happened? When this went public, the police published a 66 page report "probing" that she was lying, that she is crazy. Again, nothing to see here, keep watching the tv. So you see who protects who.

So yes, it has good food and climate but don't be foolish by the apparent normalcy of this country. Nothing is what it seems.I put it in a sott comment, anyone who is interested in understanding the recent history of Spain must read the novel "la Ilustre Degenaracion" by Isabel de Toledo. The book is not available anywhere because it was censored, but you can get it for free if you put the name and pdf in google in ebook format.

Edit: clarity.

 

[Miss.K]

You must know that Spain is NOT what it is said in the news, there are many, many horrible things that will never be published by the mass media, think about the franklin scandal, think about Dutroux case.. this kind of thing I'm referring to. Children dissapear here, their mutilated corpses are found and authorities tell the parents to go home and cry there.. official news (if there is any, because many aren't even published) say "don't worry, it's a lonely wolf.." and people don't ask questions and quickly forget. And then, Spain (at least the last 20 years) has had a STRONG relationship both with Israel and the CIA, Mossad agents have used this country to arm and train mercenaries that are used in different wars with the complacency and help of our politics.
The ETA organization was highly infiltrated by spanish policemen so that they could control the drug market. and it is said that those infiltrated ones were the most bloody murderers.It is not casual that many of the victims of ETA were people against/critic the system. Our politics have important bussiness with Mexico and Argentina,with a lot of money involved.. and this is just to name a few.

Look at the latest news about Javier Lopez Villar,a business man close friend (if not closest) of the actual King and Queen (she goes to his house every Sunday to practice yoga, until the scandal went public) who was denounced by a woman doctor because (she said) he used the secret services to hire a killer, she was stabbed twice (one of them his 10 year old son was present) and what happened? When this went public, the police published a 66 page report "probing" that she was lying, that she is crazy. Again, nothing to see here, keep watching the tv. So you see who protects who.

So yes, it has good food and climate but don't be foolish by the apparent normalcy of this country. Nothing is what it seems.I put it in a sott comment, anyone who is interested in understanding the recent history of Spain must read the novel "la Ilustre Degenaracion" by Isabel de Toledo. The book is not available anywhere because it was censored, but you can get it for free if you put the name and pdf in google in ebook format.

Edit: clarity.

I don't have any illusions of Spanish government (or Spanish psychopaths) It is normal people I refer to. (I don't have a TV)

There is a cultural difference between Spain and Denmark in social interactions of normal people, and I'm preferring the Spanish in some ways. So it was not meant to say that Spain is good in every way. It is not!
But it is really hard to find a country to live in that does not have psychopaths in power, and does not support Israel and USA, and don't have corrupt rich people.

People often ask me here "So do you like Spain?" and I usually say "yes" as it is easier, and to be externally considerate, but really I mean "there probably isn't any place in this world I really like, (except maybe Russia, but I have to study a lot more before I can know if this is so), but of the places within Europe where I can go without Visa and work permit, this has been the place I've chosen, and there are things I like here, though it is as zombiefied and corrupt as any other place I've been "

So it is not that I think Spain is less evil or corrupt than Denmark. But the shame I feel of Denmark is because it is my motherland and my people. Here I am a stranger, so though I still feel ashamed about my people of the world (humanity) is is a bit easier to feel like a stranger among people when one is legitimately a stranger.

Spanish people have a tendency to think they are less evolved, less intelligent, or have a worse government than other European countries.
Danish people have a tendency to think they are more evolved, more intelligent, and have a better government than other European countries.

I don't know who is right or wrong, but the Danish tendency gives me more the creeps than the Spanish...

 

[Leonarda]

Haha this last part is very true!it reminds me of a chapter from the Simpsons show, where they go to Apu's house to have dinner and the women start arguing that their own house is worse than the house of the other, and they end up shaking their hands happily saying "lets say both our houses are horrible"

I have been to nearly all east coast, since I was a child my parents would choose one different place on holidays. I specially like Valencia's coast, as it has good weather, the sea has good temperature, there is a lot of appartments on sale or to rent, and it is well communicated to the rest of Spain by ave or bus. Although this can also be said about Andalucia.

Besides, there are a lot of associations and groups you can affiliate to, to meet new people, like book discussions or animals's rights organizations.

Regarding the ice age, there is a forum in Spanish where "little ice age" is discussed.

Edit: this is the link _http://foro.tiempo.com/como-fue-la-pequena-edad-de-hielo-en-espana-t135229.0.html

 

[Miss.K]

Haha this last part is very true!it reminds me of a chapter from the Simpsons show, where they go to Apu's house to have dinner and the women start arguing that their own house is worse than the house of the other, and they end up shaking their hands happily saying "lets say both our houses are horrible"

I have been to nearly all east coast, since I was a child my parents would choose one different place on holidays. I specially like Valencia's coast, as it has good weather, the sea has good temperature, there is a lot of appartments on sale or to rent, and it is well communicated to the rest of Spain by ave or bus. Although this can also be said about Andalucia.

Besides, there are a lot of associations and groups you can affiliate to, to meet new people, like book discussions or animals's rights organizations.

Regarding the ice age, there is a forum in Spanish where "little ice age" is discussed.

Edit: this is the link _http://foro.tiempo.com/como-fue-la-pequena-edad-de-hielo-en-espana-t135229.0.html

Haha yes I think we can agree that both our houses are horrible :)

Thank you for the suggestions and link