Tea issues ...

[nicklebleu]

I recently switched meal times to achieve a degree of Intermittent Fasting (IF). I usually now don't eat until midday and concentrate my food intake into 8 hours a day max. This has been beneficial to my levels of ketosis nearly doubling the numbers (before I would usually sit around 2.5 mmol/l and now I am around 4), even though I haven't changed what I eat.

There has been one downside however ... I have know for quite a long time that I don't tolerate green or black tea on an empty stomach - I develop short-lasting, but quite intense nausea (had to fertilse some bushes the other day on my way to work). After 20 - 30 minutes all is gone and I feel perfectly normal.

I had forgotten about this fact, but the other thing I found out is, that if I drink a cup of black coffee first thing in the morning I seem to tolerate tea AFTER that without any problems, which I found very odd. I generally have one cup of coffee per week, so don't really want to step that up.

I have switched to herbal tea in the morning, but find that quite unsatisfactory - I definitely miss my green tea for the kick it provides and I love the taste (my favourite being Oolong at the moment, which is semi-fermented).

I searched Google about this topic, but while this seems to be a common problem, I couldn't find any data on why it happens and what do do with it.

Has anyone experienced the same - or maybe even found a way to "stomach tea on an empty stomach" ... ?
And has anyone come across any literature dealing with this?

Any feedback much appreciated.

 

[Jacques]

Hi nicklebleu.

I used to drink coffee in the morning and since I quit it, I have replaced it with pu-erh tea and I have no side effects.

Do you use commercial tea? Are you sure of the quality of your tea?

 

[nicklebleu]

Hi nicklebleu.

I used to drink coffee in the morning and since I quit it, I have replaced it with pu-erh tea and I have no side effects.

Do you use commercial tea? Are you sure of the quality of your tea?

I generally use organic tea where available, doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'll try pu-erh (my usual supplier is T2) ...

 

[FrankM4326754]

I too really enjoy tea however I stopped drinking it because of the fluoride content that is found in black and green tea that's commercially produced. I would say that the fluoride content found in tea may cause the nausea. Organic tea may not have fluoride and I would recommend trying that. As Gandalf suggested perhaps pu-erh is worth a shot. I may try that as well. Thanks for sharing Gandalf!

 

[Mr. Premise]

If you normally drink green tea just be aware that pu-erh has lots more caffeine.

 

[Carl]

I too really enjoy tea however I stopped drinking it because of the fluoride content that is found in black and green tea that's commercially produced. I would say that the fluoride content found in tea may cause the nausea. Organic tea may not have fluoride and I would recommend trying that. As Gandalf suggested perhaps pu-erh is worth a shot. I may try that as well. Thanks for sharing Gandalf!

I think it might be the acidity of tea on an empty stomach, because I get this too if I have tea before breakfast. As soon as there's something in my stomach, I can drink it just fine.

That said, the fluoride thing might still be a factor.

 

[Mal7]

I had a green tea made from an organic green tea teabag and boiling water recently, which shortly afterwards made me feel green around the gills and made me throw up. I am not a big green tea drinker, but that has happened before too.

One thing you could try with green tea is making it with not quite boiling water, just very hot water, and this will make a tea that is not quite so strong and affecting.

Alternatively there might be another tea that still gives a bit of a kick, maybe Ginseng tea?

 

[nicklebleu]

I had a green tea made from an organic green tea teabag and boiling water recently, which shortly afterwards made me feel green around the gills and made me throw up. I am not a big green tea drinker, but that has happened before too.

One thing you could try with green tea is making it with not quite boiling water, just very hot water, and this will make a tea that is not quite so strong and affecting.

Alternatively there might be another tea that still gives a bit of a kick, maybe Ginseng tea?

I usually brew green tea with 80 deg C water ... and I am usually quite used to it.
Funny thing is that it seems to affect many people, but there seems to be no pertinent mechanism to explain this phenomenon.

I will try Yerba maté, see if the same happens ... will report back!

 

[sitting]

I used to drink coffee in the morning and since I quit it, I have replaced it with pu-erh tea and I have no side effects.

That is my favorite brew! :)

Mixed with coconut oil. I tried many other brands, Jasmine, green, Japanese, etc. But always came back to pu-erh.

Tie Guan Yin is also quite good.

 

[Jacques]

If you normally drink green tea just be aware that pu-erh has lots more caffeine.

Well, according to my experience, it is not the case. If I drink too much green tea before going to sleep, I have sleeping problem just like when I was drinking coffee. However, If I drink too much puerh before going to sleep, I sleep as a baby.

According to that article, it is the contrary: _http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1169-PU-ERH%20TEA.aspx?activeIngredientId=1169&activeIngredientName=PU-ERH%20TEA

(bold are mine)

Pu-erh tea is made from the leaves and stems of the Camellia sinensis plant. This is the same plant that is used for making green, oolong, and black teas. Though the same source plant is used, the different teas are made by using different processes. Green tea is not fermented, oolong tea is partially fermented, black tea is fully fermented, and Pu-erh tea is post-fermented. This means Pu-erh tea’s processing includes both fermentation and then prolonged storage, or “aging,” under high humidity. Pu-erh tea that is aged for a longer period of time is supposed to taste better. However, it can also smell musty or taste stale because mold and bacteria will sometimes attack the tea during the long aging process. Pu-erh tea is produced mainly in the Yunnan district in the southwestern part of China. It has also gained popularity in Taiwan. Pu-erh tea is used as medicine.

Pu-erh tea is used for improving mental alertness and sharp thinking. It is also used for reducing high cholesterol.

How does it work?

Pu-erh tea contains caffeine, although not as much caffeine as other teas. Caffeine works by stimulating the central nervous system (CNS), heart, and muscles. Pu-erh tea also contains antioxidants and other substances that might help protect the heart and blood vessels.

There is interest in using pu-erh tea for lowering cholesterol because, unlike other teas, it contains small amounts of a chemical called lovastatin. Lovastatin is a prescription medicine used for lowering cholesterol. Investigators think that bacteria that sometimes contaminate pu-erh tea may somehow make the lovastatin in the course of their normal life cycle. Animal research suggests that pu-erh tea might lower certain blood fats called triglycerides as well as total and “bad” low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol. It might also raise “good” high density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol.

 

[Jacques]

I had a green tea made from an organic green tea teabag and boiling water recently, which shortly afterwards made me feel green around the gills and made me throw up. I am not a big green tea drinker, but that has happened before too.

One thing you could try with green tea is making it with not quite boiling water, just very hot water, and this will make a tea that is not quite so strong and affecting.

Alternatively there might be another tea that still gives a bit of a kick, maybe Ginseng tea?

I usually brew green tea with 80 deg C water ... and I am usually quite used to it.
Funny thing is that it seems to affect many people, but there seems to be no pertinent mechanism to explain this phenomenon.

I will try Yerba maté, see if the same happens ... will report back!

Or you could just threw away your first infusion and drink all the other ones done with the same leaves. Doing that, you eliminate 50% of the cafeine in the first infusion.

 

[nicklebleu]

I don't think that it's the caffeine - coffee has a higher caffeine content than tea and I can drink it on an empty stomach without any problems.

I read somewhere that it may be the tannin ...

But I might try to throw away the first brew anyway, just to see what happens.

Thanks for the suggestion, Gandalf!

 

[sacriface]

One more option for an energizing beverage is Yerba Mate.
It contains caffeine, but also has antioxidants + minerals like magnesium and potassium. Besides, one in the morning can keep up the alertness for the whole day and there is no crash afterwards which the case with stronger teas and coffee.
The taste could be a problem, as it resembles something, I imagine, like brewing soil :) But one can get to liking it, or it can be sweetened and whatnot.

 

[Nook]

There has been one downside however ... I develop short-lasting, but quite intense nausea.... After 20 - 30 minutes all is gone and I feel perfectly normal.

I experience this as well in the morning if I only have tea (happened a few times) but usually, drinking tea first, then bone broth helps a lot and the short nausea is almost unnoticeable.

Though I don't have any input about the reason why it happens..

 

[Nancy2feathers]

I noticed too that when drinking organic black tea first thing in the morning, it upsets my stomach. But if I put coconut cream in it I`m fine. Maybe the fat in the coconut cream has something to do with it?