Tetanus vaccine neccessary?

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Hi folks,

I know about vaccines' evil effects. But yesterday I was bitten by a cat, started feeling sick and dizzy and then collapsed.
Today the part around my thumb is swollen, but there are no other symptoms. I'm well so far. However, my boyfriend is worried and of course also the hospital says (I just phoned them) that I'd really need a tetanus vaccination.
What do you think?
 
I should add that I can move my hand, but the swollen part hurts and is inflammated. Not sure how my body should deal with all the pus. Also, there is no sepsis.

added:
Actually, I'm totally against vaccinations of any kind, though I must admit I don't have a clue about the effeciency of a tetanus vaccination. The last time I was vaccinated was when I was a kid, the obligatory ones, since then nothing of the kind.

The reason I'm even considering the topic is my worries about the effects of this cat bite. Actually it's just worries, no informed way of thinking. I've looked for tetanus on the forum and will continue reading through the threads to find something fitting, but thought I could post anyway in case any of you knew right off what to do in such a situation. I haven't been to a doctor yet- for obvious reasons. I don't feel like discussing about my not being vaccinated and stuff. But maybe a doctor having at least a look at the bite won't hurt.
 
Hi Puzzle. From the little I've read it sounds like tetanus is usually related to the combination of a deep puncture wound and rust(rusty nails for example) in most cases. This being said, ''most'' could be 55%. Also, apparently the initial signs of possible infection show up in the muscles.(lockjaw).

But you've probably already read this. In my opinion, any dis-ease that has a decent chance of being fatal should not be taken lightly. It does sound however that your wound is simply infected(bacterial) and should be cleaned. I've used lime and fresh aloe numerous times with great success. From what I've seen, skin-breaking wounds caused by cats, whether from the claws or bites usually become infected. And quickly.
 
Hi Puzzle,

Can you get potassium permanganate in the pharmacy? It is used for abscesses (pus) and wound cleansing. You dilute it and soak your hand in it. Here is some info:

http://www.dermnet.org.nz/treatments/permanganate.html
 
Thanks a lot, Psyche!
I'll try to get it in a pharmacy tomorrow.

Just some more info: the wound is not open. There are two tiny holes, but clotted up with blood already.
Shortly after it happened, my mother's partner cleaned it with a normal household disinfection spray.
The wound itself was almost not bleeding at all, just some few drops of blood and then the wound was closed already.


Also what surprised me was the extreme shock reaction of my body: I was having extreme nausea, dizziness and then I fainted for a minute. Is this a normal reaction to a cat bite? Are the bacteria that aggressive? Or am I overly sensitive?
 
Hi Puzzle In reading of this type in jury as it been said that infection will be your biggest concern and one should monitor and clean wound (as Psyche has recommended) often, perhaps morning, noon, and night. If you become ill, it will be the body developing a fever, and medical attention should be considered and quickly. I would think that they will give you more than one injection to combat the complications of its progression at that point. I have included an article from www.meowhoo.com Also try cold compresses for swelling.

Ouch! - More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Cat Bites

By Cynthia B. Whitney

Cats have teeth. Cats have sharp teeth. A cat will bite when it's upset. A cat will bite hard when it's very upset. Cat bites hurt. Cat bites in your finger joints hurt a lot.

All of these statements are true; I can attest to them personally. I won't bore you with all the details. Suffice to say that at a recent cat show one of my otherwise purring lovelies got loose. By the time I captured her, she was so disoriented, frightened/terrified that she bit me on both my hands. After four days in the hospital, I can tell you that cat bites can get infected quickly.

This can happen, obviously, even if you do know what to do. Statistics show that 80 percent of all cat bites get infected. The most frequent type of bite is a puncture wound. If a cat bite bleeds fairly well, your chance of infection will be greatly reduced. The bleeding actually flushes some of the infectious saliva out of the wound. But, with their rather long pointed teeth, a cat bite is more frequently a puncture that doesn't bleed very much, or at all. If the bite is in a joint, such as a finger knuckle, your injury can prove to be even more serious with the possibility of inflammation and bone infection.

The basic rule is to cleanse the wound immediately. You can do this with any soap and hot water. An anti-bacterial soap is even better. Then, sterilize it with Betadine solution. This is surgical soap that kills just about everything. It's for external use only, and keep it away from your eyes. You can get it at any drug store in a liquid. For easy travel, it also comes in an ointment. When you get home, soak the wound in Epsom salts or peroxide and warm water. The idea is to get it as clean as possible. This will reduce the possibility of infection and inflammation.

If you do rescue work or are around cats of "questionable" behavior frequently, it might be a good idea to carry an emergency bite treatment pack. Many cat show judges do just that. They keep a good triple antibiotic ointment and some form of antibiotic oral drugs on hand. Zithromax and Augmentin are the most common drugs of choice, according to Norm Auspitz, a CFA Allbreed judge. Since there's plenty of liquid disinfectant at cat shows, getting a wound clean at a show is not a problem.

It has also been suggested that having a cat carrier nearby may save your body parts from a cat bite. If you need to capture a cat, try having an open carrier in a place where the cat can just run into it. Jane Baretta, a veteran cat fancier, said, "Any cat with even one brain cell still working will streak into the carrier because it looks familiar among all the strange surroundings."

It's highly recommended that you seek professional medical treatment for any cat bite. The bite can turn into a nasty, infected mess in less than 12 hours. Treatment includes an IV antibiotic and oral antibiotics. The most commonly used oral antibiotic is Augmentin, which is an amoxocillin and clavulanate mixture. Most cat bites contain Pasterella multocida bacteria, with some Staph thrown in, and these drugs best treat those bacteria.

A cat bites one in every 170 people in the U.S. each year. This includes children and people who don't even own a cat. So, everyone stands a fairly good chance of experiencing this trauma sometime. My suggestion is to treat it with respect–the cat too.

Cynthia B. Whitney is a freelance writer based in Oklahoma City. She has been a published writer for many years, writing about animals, especially cats. As a long-time cat breeder Cynthia enjoys sharing her knowledge about feline behavior, health, ownership, and humor. Cynthia B. Whitney is a professional member of the Cat Writers' Association, former editor of Cymric Capers, The Write Stuff, and the NCFED, The National Coalition of Federal Employees with Disabilities newsletter (as their National Director of Public Affairs.) Cynthia is currently Assistant Editor of the OK PetGazette, and serves as their Executive Marketing Director.
 
I was faced with the same dilemma while ago when I was bitten by a chipmunk. The wound was quite deep.
The research confirmed what I already knew, animal bites are least likely cause of tetanus although not impossible.
Still I decided to take both serum and the vaccine as next day I woke up with weird twitching and mini tremors in my arm. Having read a lot about tetanus this scared me. In addition, the fact that the tetanus vaccine is legal requirement for my profession and I hadn't have a booster for at least 12 years also weighed on the decision.
I am not sure if these symptoms were early signs of tetanus or psychosomatic reaction. On the other hand I am sure that vaccine caused painful lump size of a marble at the injection site which remained for months after and also my energy level plummeted and was feeling sickly for a week.

In theory you are more likely to contract tetanus from cat's scratches then bites as Clostridium tetani is mostly found in soil, very rarely in animals mouth. But Tetanus is serious disease that can develop quickly and cause very painful death. So it would be irresponsible to advise you not to take the vaccine.
If you decide not to - take homeopathic preparation Ledum 30c - one granule only.
You can also soak your thumb in Calendula tincture. In case you note any nervous symptoms especially in the arms and neck area such as twitching and tremors better take the serum asap.
This is how I treated all my bites and scratches before angry chipmunk and never had any problems.
 
Puzzle said:
I was having extreme nausea, dizziness and then I fainted for a minute. Is this a normal reaction to a cat bite? Are the bacteria that aggressive? Or am I overly sensitive?

I think you had a vasovagal episode, like when people faint when they get punctured with a needle: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasovagal_episode I'm not sure if vasovagal episode is used a lot in English, it seems that dizzy spell is the favored term.
 
Stormy Knight said:
But Tetanus is serious disease that can develop quickly and cause very painful death. So it would be irresponsible to advise you not to take the vaccine.

Things have changed a bit. After reading MAO's article my worries got worse and my boyfriend and me went to the hospital.
The doctor said I should've come immediately, not one day after the bite. I have a beginning sepsis. My lymph ways are affected. He gave me antibiotica which of course I am taking. He wanted to give me the tetanus vaccination, but I declined. He said alright, but be prepared to sit in a wheelchair if it breaks out. My boyfriend's worries got loose then and he urged me to take it. My fears overwhelmed me but still I declined.
With reporting your experience, Stormy Knight, I think I should get this vaccination tomorrow morning (that's still within the time range of 48 hours).

Thanks everybody!
 
Puzzle said:
With reporting your experience, Stormy Knight, I think I should get this vaccination tomorrow morning (that's still within the time range of 48 hours).

Thanks everybody!

Hi Puzzle,

If it gives you more peace of mind, I understand that the tetanus vaccine doesn't contain thimerosal (mercury) anymore. Also antibiotics are a life saver at the right times. Have a speedy recovery :flowers:
 
The doctor said I should've come immediately, not one day after the bite. I have a beginning sepsis. My lymph ways are affected. He gave me antibiotica which of course I am taking. He wanted to give me the tetanus vaccination, but I declined. He said alright, but be prepared to sit in a wheelchair if it breaks out. My boyfriend's worries got loose then and he urged me to take it. My fears overwhelmed me but still I declined
It was not my intention in my feedback to induce fear (sorry) but vigilance. In past relationship, a girlfriend in trying to separate her cat ( that was a very big and a typical territorial feline) from another cat that had wandered into the house when the fight ensued. She tried to separate them and got bit very badly to the bone.
She to became light headed it also bleed very little and went into a mild shock from the trauma. So bad and deep was the injury that it took a month after the doctor visit to have use of the arm and only lightly until it healed.
I can appreciate your concern for what any doctor wants to pump in to my veins. I always have questions for them, as the days of blind faith are gone. Good luck in your treatment and take care amiga!
 
Re: Tetanus vaccine necessary?

M.A.O. said:
It was not my intention in my feedback to induce fear (sorry) but vigilance.

No need to apologize, M.A.O., rather a heartfelt thanks for the article and for raising my vigilance through this!

This whole thing was rather interesting to experience: while my mother and her partner (the bite happened on the countryside from an untamed and totally terrfied young cat) didn't even think of sending me to a doctor (especially my mom's pattern is to worry more about her dogs than about her children), my boyfriend was alarmed and worried immediately and urged me to go see a doctor. I on the contrary with my deep distrust of conventional medicine simply observed myself and couldn't detect any further symptoms, so I thought seeing a doc wasn't necessary. Apart from reading this post's responses I did a search in the i-net, too, and every info strongly recommended to treat cat bites with antibiotics, as cat bites can be extremely dangerous because of the bacteria in their saliva.

I must admit that I was pretty worried and at times my fear of getting serious complications from my non-treatment was breaking through. Had I been staying out in the countryside, I probably wouldn't have seen a doc - I can be very stubborn.
A sepsis and tetanus are really serious issues, so I'm really glad to have networked and very thankful to my boyfriend for caring so much for me. Comparing his caring to that of my mother, there's such a vast difference..! But having grown up with little caring from family's side I only see now how someone who loves you cares for you, as opposed to someone who "should" love you (mother) doesn't at all.. makes me pretty sad to realize this.

Especially interesting is the fact that before networking I was thankful for his caring but still thought "Aw well, he's well-meaning, but indoctrinated from conventional medicine, urging me to get standard treatment, so better not let myself be "caught" via fear-mongering." After talking to my bf again, it turned out he does share my opposition against vaccines, but to him, tetanus is something like "better be on the safe side with this".

Thank you too for your wishes for recovery! :flowers:
 
Psyche said:
Puzzle said:
With reporting your experience, Stormy Knight, I think I should get this vaccination tomorrow morning (that's still within the time range of 48 hours).

Thanks everybody!

Hi Puzzle,

If it gives you more peace of mind, I understand that the tetanus vaccine doesn't contain thimerosal (mercury) anymore. Also antibiotics are a life saver at the right times. Have a speedy recovery :flowers:


Hi Psyche, thanks for the info. I got the tetanus shot now. I don't especially like it, as you can all imagine, but if it doesn't contain mercury anymore that's at least one mind-peacing thing.
Also, I'm living among animals, so who knows when the next bite might come, so maybe it could be an advantage after all..

Further, as much as I'm distrusting conventional medicine, when it comes to life-saving situations I won't be stupid.. leaving 3D at this point in "time" is not an option for me, no free will decision you could say, there's simply too much to Do.
 
Puzzle said:
Thanks for this tip, Luthien, I'll buy magnesium chloride on Tuesday then.

In France, they sell it in pharmacies in 20g packets. The protocol for using mag. chloride solution is dissolve 20g in 1 liter of water, and drink 30-40 ml every 2 hours for a few days.
=> waiting for Psyche's confirmation.
More on Magnesium:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
 
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