That Voice in My Head That Isn't ME

Brenda86

Jedi Master
I have been thinking a lot today about a lot of different things and one them is this idea of trying to observe myself, not just what I do, but what I think, or how I come about a choice, etc.

Well, the thing I have been noticing is this growing gap between myself and this other me, or other "me's". All those "I's" I guess we read and talk about. For example, I recently decided to give up Diet Coke. Aspartame and caffeine are not good for me, so I will not put them in my body if I can help it. I have gone three days without it, but there is this little voice in my mind that keeps saying, "Oh it won't kill you to just have one, you've been doing so good." But I do not recognize this voice as being myself. I say to this other self that I am not backing down. And I do not have the diet coke.

Another instance I have really noticed it, is that this "I" in me will produce a thought of wanting to play a video game. There was a time when I spent literally 75% of my free time playing video games, but lately all of my free time is consumed by learning and the "de-stressing" activity is maybe a hot bath or reflection time. And the thing is, this reading/learning/reflecting is what I want to do. It is fun for me. I have had no real desire to play any games. The few times I have given it, it feels like a complete waste of time after 10-20 minutes (if I make it that long) and I am back to reading or maybe writing some things down that I've learned.

I guess the point I am trying to make is how odd it feels to actually notice the thoughts in my head that I do not feel are truly my own. I can reflect on a time where I would have just went along with most of these other thoughts. I have always been an intellectual person, but I guess until now I did not realize how mechanical I have been in the past.

However, in noticing this, it makes me realize how much further I must have to go if I could think I was so highly developed and yet have been following whims and not making CHOICES.

It produced this image in my head of someone walking down a path with no real conscious effort - going this or that way without any conscious decision. They have no concept of where they are going or how long the journey is.

And then at some point they see themselves where they are and see the journey ahead, and all the choices that must be made, and it doesn't look easy. So part of them says how easy it would be to just go back to obliviousness. But the part of them that can see how pointless that wandering was decides to follow a Conscious path. It is the hard path, but the only one that will get her anywhere.

I guess that is kind of how I imagine these little I's in my head. The ones that want to tell us how easy it would be to go back to all the things we used to do that took up all our time, so we would go through life unaware and unmoving. But now that I have started on this path I cannot see myself purposely getting off.

I guess my BIGGEST fear, is what hardships I may have to face on this path, considering how much I've already been through when I wasn't even ON this path. But then I like to see it as a kind of preparation because I have learned from my experiences. And what I am learning is to ACKNOWLEDGE this fear without letting it RULE me.

I hope this is coherent enough. I remember someone else said this earlier today, but I am having another one of those days where I am so tired. I feel like I haven't been sleeping at all when I have.
 
Funny experience for me, coming here at reading your post.
It could have been written by me, right down to the diet coke and game-playing part. I've been thinking your exact words the last couple of days!

Identifying this other voice clearly, seems to help me, stay Me. I still loose a battle or 2 every week, but I'm getting stronger. Problem is, the stronger I get, the more persistent these other I's seem to get, so I know how you feel :)

Brenda86 said:
I am having another one of those days where I am so tired. I feel like I haven't been sleeping at all when I have.
Have you tried the 5HTP yet? It really helps me sleep better.
 
Hi Brenda,

Your post sounds like a good description of the process G referred to as the struggle between 'yes' and 'no' which forms the magnetic center.

And this:

I guess the point I am trying to make is how odd it feels to actually notice the thoughts in my head that I do not feel are truly my own. I can reflect on a time where I would have just went along with most of these other thoughts. I have always been an intellectual person, but I guess until now I did not realize how mechanical I have been in the past.

Describes what Laura calls "thought loops."
 
Hi Brenda86,

Here you will find info about the "thought loops." referred to MC.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9001.0
 
Helle said:
Funny experience for me, coming here at reading your post.
It could have been written by me, right down to the diet coke and game-playing part. I've been thinking your exact words the last couple of days!

Identifying this other voice clearly, seems to help me, stay Me. I still loose a battle or 2 every week, but I'm getting stronger. Problem is, the stronger I get, the more persistent these other I's seem to get, so I know how you feel :)

I just wanted to say that this thread really resonates with me as well. I don't have a diet coke / game-playing issue, although plenty of similar. What I have noticed is a voice in my head which says the most opposite thing to that which I would normally think.

For example:- I was in the park with my three year old daughter, it was empty, I heard footsteps behind us and turned to see a guy walking towards us who looked a little intimidating, instead of the thought being "Oh I hope he isn't about to hurt us, I feel threatened". it was the reverse. "I hope he does hurt us"!

As soon as it popped into my head I was shocked and alarmed and felt as though I was inviting the possibility of harm through my own thoughts. There have been other madder ones than this and some that I can't even repeat! They are always around things that really scare me not everday issues. It doesn't happen often but it really upsets me when it does.

I discussed it with my husband and he said I should post but I didn't have the courage to post about it as I am afraid of what it might be about. Y

Your post has prompted me to mention it.
 
[quote author=slowone]"I hope he does hurt us"! [/quote]

Thought loops?

As soon as it popped into my head I was shocked and alarmed and felt as though I was inviting the possibility of harm through my own thoughts

This sounds like the anxiety that can result from residual YCYOR beliefs, fwiw. There may be some relief actually, from the knowledge that mechanical thoughts are just that - mechanical, not conscious, and dimissable by choice.
 
MC said:
[quote author=slowone]"I hope he does hurt us"!

Thought loops?

As soon as it popped into my head I was shocked and alarmed and felt as though I was inviting the possibility of harm through my own thoughts

This sounds like the anxiety that can result from residual YCYOR beliefs, fwiw. There may be some relief actually, from the knowledge that mechanical thoughts are just that - mechanical, not conscious, and dimissable by choice.
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Thanks MC, I am bookmarking Thought Loops and I was looking for the thread about Primitive defence mechanisms. It is really upsetting though when it happens. I find them shocking.
 
I'm reading some of the Thought Loop stuff now, and I'm already seeing some things that I think will help me. Thanks :).

I feel like the choices I am making right now are simple ones, but feel they are things I need to do, as MC said, to have this struggle between 'yes' and 'no'. Because in the past it was always yes. To be honest, the very hardest one for me, which actually jumped right out at me while reading In Search of the Miraculous is to keep my promise to myself to wake up at a decent time in the morning.

Quote from In Search of the Miraculous:
A man decides to get up early beginning from the following day. One I, or a group of I's, decides this. But getting up is the business of another I who entirely disagrees with the decision and may even know absolutely nothing about it. Of course the man will again go on sleeping in the morning and again in the evening he will again decide to get up early.
It kind of struck this chord with me and brought me down a few notches to really realize what I was reading. Going to bed early wasn't even helping. My little I in the morning was determined to sleep till mid-afternoon even if I went to bed at 11pm. I do not need 13 hours of sleep.

I'm finally starting to win this battle more often, though.
slowone said:
MC said:
[quote author=slowone]"I hope he does hurt us"!

Thought loops?

As soon as it popped into my head I was shocked and alarmed and felt as though I was inviting the possibility of harm through my own thoughts

This sounds like the anxiety that can result from residual YCYOR beliefs, fwiw. There may be some relief actually, from the knowledge that mechanical thoughts are just that - mechanical, not conscious, and dimissable by choice.

Thanks MC, I am bookmarking Thought Loops and I was looking for the thread about Primitive defence mechanisms. It is really upsetting though when it happens. I find them shocking.
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Also, I completely understand your shock. It reminds me of a very specific memory I have of when I was a child. I was thinking about playing with my little sister, who was only like 2, and this thought popped into my head of physically harming her. I put it immediately out of my head because I knew I had no desire to do that, but I was shocked that such a thing would come into my mind. So yes, I know how you feel.
 
MC said:
Your post sounds like a good description of the process G referred to as the struggle between 'yes' and 'no' which forms the magnetic center.

Hello MC,
Could you give the G's reference for this connection?
To my understanding, the struggle between 'yes' and 'no' is related to 'crystallization'. Or is this from Mouravieff?
I understand what you mean though. :)
 
Hi GotoGo,

I had this in mind when posting:

[quote author=ISOTM]
"Fusion, inner unity, is obtained by means of 'friction,' by the struggle between 'yes' and 'no' in man. If a man lives without inner struggle, if everything happens in him without opposition, if he goes wherever he is drawn or wherever the wind blows, he will remain such as he is.

"But if a struggle begins in him, and particularly if there is a definite line in this struggle, then, gradually, permanent traits begin to form themselves, he begins to 'crystallize.'

"But crystallization is possible on a right foundation and it is possible on a wrong foundation. 'Friction,' the struggle between 'yes' and 'no,' can easily take place on a wrong foundation. For instance, a fanatical belief in some or other idea, or the 'fear of sin,' can evoke a terribly intense struggle between 'yes' and 'no,' and a man may crystallize on these foundations. But this would be a wrong, incomplete crystallization. Such a man will not possess the possibility of further development. In order to make further development possible he must be melted down again, and this can be accomplished only through terrible suffering.[/quote]

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure (I'm at work, difficult to research) whether G even used the term "magnetic center" as Mouravieff certainly did; if he didn't, I think it safe to regard crystallization as meaning the same thing, particularly since he used the words fusion and inner unity.
 
Hi to all,

When I began to read this thread, I realized that little I's resemble neural networks, some of them working independently with cross purposes, some of them working together for their own gain, for making body react to their message. Lets say, to carry out a certain action, all those little I's exert their influence on the organism, and in the brain, all those components of neural network release neurotransmitters or peptides to relay their message. According to their positions, some of them are negative, some of them are positive and when all those things sum up, if overall message is positive, action is carried out. If it is negative, neuron sits still. To better visualize, take a look at this picture:


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Imagine dozens of presynaptic inputs sending their message to a single postsynaptic cell. This is how the neurons work, and I think this is how people work. They collect the information from all their little I's and decide what to do next. I mentioned this, because when I realized this is what is going on inside me, it really helped me to understand my actions and control them, I hope it helps to you.

My two cents, for what its worth.
 
That's why we also talk about rewiring the brain, because on that level it does come down to changing the strength of different neural connections in the brain. Habits form pathways that fire more easily and become dominant. When we go to change the habit, we are working against the path of least resistance. To get new neural connections, we have to ignore the demands of the ones that are going "It's me! It's me!" and give focus on the weaker connections.

At least, that is how I understand it.... :)
 
Galahad said:
That's why we also talk about rewiring the brain, because on that level it does come down to changing the strength of different neural connections in the brain. Habits form pathways that fire more easily and become dominant. When we go to change the habit, we are working against the path of least resistance. To get new neural connections, we have to ignore the demands of the ones that are going "It's me! It's me!" and give focus on the weaker connections.

At least, that is how I understand it.... :)

Your description makes complete sense to me.
It made me think of the similarity of the action of re-patterning muscular habits, the stronger and over tight muscles will always want to jump in, whilst the weaker, due to lack of use, will always step back and often not even be felt at all.
When applying this image that is more familiar to me to the brain, it all became clearer. Thanks!
 

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