The Game Changed in Venezuela ?
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Mr. Premise
The Living Force
Check out this thread: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30522.0.html
Esote
Dagobah Resident
Thank you Kniall for your point of view, which I think is something to really consider.
Interests and partial interpretations are uneasy to discern in the flow of informations.
That's one of the reasons why it's important to be able to participate in a reliable and international network !
Interests and partial interpretations are uneasy to discern in the flow of informations.
That's one of the reasons why it's important to be able to participate in a reliable and international network !
Mr. Premise
The Living Force
Yes, what's cool about this network is we have people on the ground in Venezuela and the Ukraine. Plus people like Kniall and Perceval who are not in the trouble spots but have a great understanding of the geopolitical big picture and how these things are always manipulated behind the scenes.Eos said:
Kniall said:
The blogger is exaggerating a bit but I can confirm it! The army and some armed groups are doing that! A friend's family were assault by the army in their own house just to "search" or whatever and they destroy many things in the house and then went to the house neighbors doing the same thing, they were not doing anything except watching news on TV and some neighbors only were using some whistle to make a protest inside their houses.. What is worst they took prisoners some people and tortured them.. I mean My country could been attacked from US and friends (which is the case) but this government is responding in a wrong way with their citizens too!
Courageous Inmate Sort
Jedi Master
George Ciccariello-Maher, a political science professor explains the protests as a US backed operation: Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt by U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups to Oust Elected Government?.
Here is a recent debate on Al Jazeera with such professor, the opposition blogger mentioned above and the advisor to the national assembly president: Link.
The Brazilian alternative web-based media is largely supporting the protesters, mainly because the government of Nicolas Maduro is seen as part and parcel of the supranational organization that brings together the leftist governments in latin america, including Venezuela, Cuba and Brazil.
Some journalists on the ground don't know what to make of the situation, except for the "atmosphere of terror and fear":
Here is a recent debate on Al Jazeera with such professor, the opposition blogger mentioned above and the advisor to the national assembly president: Link.
The Brazilian alternative web-based media is largely supporting the protesters, mainly because the government of Nicolas Maduro is seen as part and parcel of the supranational organization that brings together the leftist governments in latin america, including Venezuela, Cuba and Brazil.
Some journalists on the ground don't know what to make of the situation, except for the "atmosphere of terror and fear":
Yeah, RT had an interview yesterday or the day before with some guy that said pretty much the same... Western media and it's friends trying to do a Kiev if possible... the usual media routine, and the problems stated are there but blown way out of proportion... sort of like Sochi. The new prez does have the problem of control though, not having the street cred of his old boss, but by now the military et al should be on the same side, something it seems the Ukrainian prez doesn't have. Either way, most people are pretty uniformed and easily led astray. Maduro has his hands full seeing as he has no real experience, but at least he can see it coming.
Courageous Inmate Sort
Jedi Master
Just to add from the South American perspective, Brazil's Workers Party (of president Dilma Rousseff), the trade blocks Mercosul and Unasul, as well as the Brazilian senate have all issued statements in favor of Nicolás Maduro.
Former president Lula, famous for working on the background since out of office, is said to have lead the discussion inside Mercosul to issue the statement after a discussion with José Pepe Mujica, president of Uruguay. The Brazilian senate later jumped on the bandwagon.
Former president Lula, famous for working on the background since out of office, is said to have lead the discussion inside Mercosul to issue the statement after a discussion with José Pepe Mujica, president of Uruguay. The Brazilian senate later jumped on the bandwagon.
Courageous Inmate Sort
Jedi Master
Although later denied by Venezuela's Minister of Interior, there are reports of Cuban special forces working in the country. These special forces are called Avispas Negras and are allegedly working undercover to undermine the opposition.
Given the US-West tension with Russia on the Ukraine issue, and now this possible antagonism between US and Cuba through the suffering of the Venezuelan people, are we back to good old not-so-cold war?
Given the US-West tension with Russia on the Ukraine issue, and now this possible antagonism between US and Cuba through the suffering of the Venezuelan people, are we back to good old not-so-cold war?
Yeah, the "Cold War" never ended, just morphed.
One thing to keep in mind in situations like this is that agents dressed in disguise pull off false flag operations to confuse and throw blame at the government/forces that they're targeting. As most on this forum know, this has been going on for a long time.
As an anecdotal example, a couple of men had told my father years ago that during World War II, Stalin and his gang had Russians/Soviets dressed as Nazi Germans shoot a bunch of people in USSR (pretty large scale massacres) to get people angry and motivated to fight harder. This was during a conversation where it was discussed that if the Germans had a more humane attitude, many things could have turned out differently, and many USSR citizen may have rebelled and/or defected, etc. Such things did in fact happen - defections AND actual Nazi atrocities, but the point of the men bringing this up was that it wasn't always REAL Nazi Germans committing atrocities.
Whenever you hear all the claptrap about human rights violations and lack of freedom and democracy in the mass media, you can pretty much bet that it's another black op. Like Lobaczewski said in Political Ponerology, psychopathic organizations and individuals use any ideology to mask their naked obsession with rape, plunder, domination, and destruction.
One thing to keep in mind in situations like this is that agents dressed in disguise pull off false flag operations to confuse and throw blame at the government/forces that they're targeting. As most on this forum know, this has been going on for a long time.
As an anecdotal example, a couple of men had told my father years ago that during World War II, Stalin and his gang had Russians/Soviets dressed as Nazi Germans shoot a bunch of people in USSR (pretty large scale massacres) to get people angry and motivated to fight harder. This was during a conversation where it was discussed that if the Germans had a more humane attitude, many things could have turned out differently, and many USSR citizen may have rebelled and/or defected, etc. Such things did in fact happen - defections AND actual Nazi atrocities, but the point of the men bringing this up was that it wasn't always REAL Nazi Germans committing atrocities.
Whenever you hear all the claptrap about human rights violations and lack of freedom and democracy in the mass media, you can pretty much bet that it's another black op. Like Lobaczewski said in Political Ponerology, psychopathic organizations and individuals use any ideology to mask their naked obsession with rape, plunder, domination, and destruction.
l apprenti de forgeron
The Living Force
Thanks for sharing those thoughts, SeekinTruth. It's very true. And also thanks to you, Courageous Inmate Sort, for sharing that info.
