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> On July 4, 1776, a new nation was born. It was more
> free than any that had ever existed on earth.
>
> By the time we stood up to declare independence, men
> had already been fighting for the new nation for more
> than a year. The fighters were, for the most part, a
> well-trained but un-uniformed rabble. Farmers.
> Shopkeepers. Dockworkers. Members of their local
> militias.
>
> These nobodies had taken on the biggest superpower on
> earth -- Britain.
>
> No president or general or any other central power
> ordered them to start fighting. They just did what had
> to be done. To this day, nobody knows who fired the
> first shot when the British soldiers arrived to
> confiscate firearms and ammunition from the citizens
> of Lexington and Concord.
>
> That much, you probably know.
>
> But the myth of the unorganized rabble putting the
> superpower on the run tells only part of the truth.
> The men who won America actually possessed more
> sophisticated military weaponry than their foes.
>
> The best small arm of the day was the Kentucky long
> rifle. Our little mob had it. The "legally constituted
> government" -- as represented by the red-coated
> soldiers -- didn't.
>
> Let me repeat that. Ordinary American men had a weapon
> not available to the soldiers of the world's biggest
> superpower. They knew how to use it in defense of
> their towns and properties. And they used it to be
> free.
>
> In July 2006, the United Nations held a conference --
> one in a long series of them -- to disarm the ordinary
> men and women of the world.
>
> This has been a long-time goal of the U.N. Anyone who
> loves freedom should carefully consider what the U.N.
> aims to do. Their intention is to ensure that only
> governments have guns.
>
> They want to set up a system that will let any
> government on earth keep all guns out of the hands of
> anybody who isn't approved by government.
>
> That might sound sensible if you don't think too hard.
> But that means that the United Nations wants to make
> sure that the worst, most evil, tyrannical, brutal
> government on this planet has the power to make sure
> that its opponents can never fight against it.
>
> They want to make sure that underdogs always lose.
> That freedom fighters can never win. According to U.N.
> standards, Hitler should have had guns, but German
> Jews should not. (Funny, that was Hitler's plan, too.)
> According to U.N. standards, Stalin should have had
> guns, but the farmers he deliberately starved to death
> in the Ukraine should not. (Stalin would have agreed
> with the U.N.)
>
> If the United Nations had had its way three centuries
> ago, America would never have been born. And you and
> your family, to this day, would be at the mercy of any
> dictator who wanted to rule over you or any thug who
> wanted to attack you.
>
> Don't believe me?
>
> Look what's happened in nations that have confiscated
> firearms or forbidden their possession:
>
> Germany: genocide
> Armenia: genocide
> Russia: genocide
> Rwanda: genocide
> China: genocide
> Uganda: genocide
>
> The list goes on.
>
> The simple fact behind all the complicated issues of
> "gun control" is this: Citizens of free countries have
> guns. Groveling subjects of dictatorships do not.
>
> Not long after the War for Independence ended, the
> founders of America gave us a Bill of Rights. The Bill
> of Rights has one vital function: It is a no
> trespassing sign. It says, "Government, keep out."
>
> It delineates what government is forbidden to do. It
> says government, especially the federal government,
> has only limited, delegated authority. It says the
> people, on the other hand, have a multitude of inborn
> rights that no legitimate government can ever take
> away.
>
> But governments are powerful and individuals are
> small. How could the people retain their hard-won
> rights against the threat of overwhelming force?
>
> Within the great Bill, the founders placed one
> amendment to guard all the rest. The guardian is the
> Second Amendment: the right to keep and bear arms.
>
> But the right to bear arms means nothing without the
> farmers and shopkeepers -- or today we might say the
> computer programmers, assembly-line workers, nurses,
> and auto mechanics -- who are the ones meant to be the
> first defenders of liberty.
>
> Today, the fashionable voices of the media tell us the
> Second doesn't really mean it when it says "the right
> to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." They
> assure us it means only that the states have authority
> to operate National Guard units. They assure us guns
> are too dangerous for mere rabble to possess.
>
> They tell us, most assuredly, that government agents
> should always be able to out-shoot anybody who breaks
> the law -- even if the law in question is unjust and
> tyrannical. They tell us it's for our own good for
> government to be infinitely more powerful than We the
> People.
>
> Is that so? Do you believe it? Then why did James
> Madison, the father of the Bill of Rights, say, "The
> right of self-defense never ceases. It is among the
> most sacred, and alike necessary to nations and to
> individuals"?
>
> Why did Patrick Henry say, "The great object is that
> every man be armed ... Everyone who is able may have a
> gun"?
>
> And why did Thomas Jefferson declare, "No Free man
> shall ever be debarred the use of arms"?
>
> Because free men are armed. Slaves are not.
>
> No, the Second Amendment is not the government's
> right. Governments have no rights. And they shouldn't.
> Governments are big, dangerous dinosaurs. They should
> be kept within limits and carefully watched at all
> times.
>
> The Second is your right. Ultimately it's your right
> to control your own government. Your right to be free.
>
> The Second Amendment is the minuteman standing guard
> over the rights to free speech, fair trials, and a
> free press. The Second puts "liberty teeth" into the
> promise in the Bill of Rights that government won't be
> allowed to lock us up without charges or snoop through
> our lives without warrants.
>
> The Second says, more effectively than any other
> amendment, "Government, keep out."
>
> The fashionable voices laugh at the idea that
> Americans might ever have to shoot back at their own
> government. And let's hope we never do have to. But
> the great beauty of the Second Amendment is that, just
> as the mere presence of a firearm can deter a crook
> from entering a house, the mere presence of millions
> of watchful armed citizens deters tyrants.
>
> The Guardian best does its job when not a single shot
> is ever fired!
>
> Yet despite remaining an armed nation, we've failed
> the Second Amendment. We've failed freedom. And we are
> in peril because of it.
>
> Tyrants don't need to conquer us by force of arms.
> Instead, they buy us off, building enormous
> unconstitutional empires with our hard-earned money
> and promises of handouts. They disarm us mentally so
> they can disarm us physically.
>
> Today, instead of demanding our uninfringed right to
> be just as well armed as soldiers and police officers,
> we've let governments impose rules on us that their
> own people don't have to obey. They invade our homes
> and towns with machine guns. But they tell us our own
> firearms should be fit only for "sporting purposes."
>
> "Sporting purposes" was never written into the Second
> Amendment. And it wouldn't have done the farmers of
> Lexington much good. "Sporting purposes" was unknown
> in U.S. law until 1968 when -- get ready for this -- a
> U.S. Senator, Thomas Dodd, copied it from a Nazi
> German "gun control" law.
>
> Today, we allow the Second Amendment to be violated by
> an illegal agency called the Bureau of Alcohol,
> Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. This agency is
> notorious for its viciousness, its entrapment schemes,
> its false charges against innocent people, and its
> bureaucratic arrogance and incompetence.
>
> It is un-American in the deepest sense. But we
> tolerate it.
>
> Now the government thinks it has defanged its
> citizens. They think they can force our protests into
> prison-like "free speech zones." They think our once
> free press will always be willing to spout what the
> government wants us to hear. They believe we'll
> tolerate imprisonment without charges as long as its
> done to people we don't care about. They think they
> can regulate away all but a few of our weapons. They
> even think they can buy off our churches (once major
> voices against government abuse) with "faith-based"
> government handouts and special tax favors.
>
> But what they fear is this: The Guardian, though
> weakened, still remains.
>
> When the founders wrote the Bill of Rights, they
> didn't "give" us anything. They were merely putting
> into writing what already existed. You have a right to
> defend your life, your family, your community -- and
> your freedom.
>
> You have an inborn, undying right to defend yourself
> against anybody who tries to take your life and
> liberty. Anybody. Whether he's a thug who works only
> for himself or for the biggest superpower on earth.
>
> The Guardian has been battered, weakened, wounded, and
> infringed. But the Guardian remains -- and always will
> -- wherever a few brave men and women are willing to
> stand and say, "Government, keep out."
 
I'd like to get a link to this article if your aware of the source please.
 
You could have a nation of people with guns, but who says that their critical and analytical faculties are in full gear? Having guns doesn't ensure those people safety from manipulation by psychopathic individuals within their ranks who claim to be fighting for the 'cause' only to be paid secretly by the government to lead the 'armed citizens' astray. Darn, they could even be manipulated to kill each other off.
I think physical self defense by means of guns and weapons is an ultimately last resort. The governments and the PTB running them are way smarter than just physically threatening us. They go about using psychological warfare (subliminal messages, emf etc), to subtly, and slowly weaken our mental faculties and fortitude.

That article incites a knee-jerk reaction in people. That can result in people doing foolish things. When i read it, it had an 'alex jones' type of ring to it, with his constant ranting and fear-mongering.

Please Eyes Wide Open, provide a legitimate link to the article.
 
Eyeswideopen, you may want to read this thread in its entirety to get a better grasp of where we tend to stand on the gun issue. It doesn't answer all the questions, but it's a start.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1077
 
Eyes Wide Open said:
> The simple fact behind all the complicated issues of
> "gun control" is this: Citizens of free countries have
> guns. Groveling subjects of dictatorships do not.
>
Lots of citizens of 'free countries' do not have guns either, nor are they allowed to carry them as a matter of course unless they are hunters or sports shooters.

This article also tends to forget the genocide of the Native Americans and the continuing genocide of people in other countries that the US 'interferes' with, either militarily or economically. Business or profit is one of the most powerful weapons there is and is frequently used as a genocidal weapon.

I've often wondered at America's obsession with 'right to bear arms'... At the time it was written into the constitution, did it mean something different from what it means to people today?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." (Second Amendment to the Constitution.)
taken from here: http://www.constitution.org/mil/rkba1982.htm

Does this mean that the people have a right to a 'well organised Militia' (who will naturally carry guns and are usually known as that country's 'military forces') or does a person have a right to join a militia if they chose... i.e joining the Army.

The way it seems to be interpreted in America just now, is that anyone can carry a gun even if they are not involved in the 'security of a free State', i.e. the military. This would make anyone who carries a gun just for the sake of it guilty of participating in an illegal act. Then, there are the hunters and sports shooters to think about. To me, the quote above talkes more about a country's right to a military - an its peoples right to join one, than it does about an individual keeping guns.

Besides, there are most likely far more important parts of the constitution which relate directly to individual freedoms that are now being destroyed by post 9/11 neocon agenda.

This is only an outsiders view, btw.
 
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