The Hurt Locker

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So, I haven't seen this movie but was wondering if anyone here has?

Since it won the "Best picture" this year I was wondering how it is. Is it all full of propaganda like most other war movies? I don't usually watch war movies because of that fact. I always figure if I were to watch a war movie, I'd just go read the news...

Also, since its won best picture, everyone wants to see it. At my work, anyone who came to rent- was renting Hurt Locker. So a lot of people are seeing this movie now. It makes me think if it has some sort of message PTB want people to see?

Oh and I found this article interesting...

_http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/news/usmovies.thehollywoodreporter.com/why-oscar-didnt-embrace-avatar

Why Oscar didn't embrace 'Avatar'

By the time "The Hurt Locker" won best picture Sunday night, it seemed almost a foregone conclusion since it previously earned honors from the Producer's Guild, BAFTA, Broadcast Critics, the National Society and critics groups in New York, L.A. and elsewhere.

But "Hurt Locker" was anything but a sure thing. In a historical context, its win is surprising.

After all, it is the lowest-grossing best picture winner of all time; it was never on more than 535 movie screens; and it beat the highest-grossing movie in modern history, one that has continued to play on thousands of screens for nearly three months. In the era of blockbusters, "Locker" cost a mere $11 million to make compared with the more than $230 million cost of "Avatar."

To earn its gold, "Hurt Locker" had to break what producer Greg Shapiro called "The Iraq War Curse," referring to all the movies touching on that conflict that had failed to find an audience. It had to weather attacks in the media and from some in the military who questioned the realism of how it portrayed the bomb removal unit.

The film also drew censure for the behavior of one of its producers, the first to be banned from attending the Academy Awards. And it had to win with backing from Summit Entertainment, a relatively new and small distributor that had never before won an Oscar.

There also is the parallel question of whether "Avatar" and distributor Fox contributed to their own demise in the best picture race.

The sci-fi epic had been critically acclaimed, far more widely seen and was widely heralded for its breakthrough technology. And it boasted the deep pocket backing of a major Hollywood studio.

Could it be explained as the ultimate example of the split personality in Hollywood, where movie choices are mostly driven by the need to make large amounts of money but where the people behind the camera still want to be seen as making art? And was it hurt by attacks from the political right on the movie's plot, which was seen as a dig on America's Iraq incursion?

Or was "Avatar's" Oscar hopes doomed because it was sci-fi, a genre that rarely has been rewarded by Oscar? After all, there are precedents.

In 1977, when " Star Wars " was the breakthrough movie, it lost best picture to Woody Allen 's low-budget comedy "Annie Hall." And in 1982, when "E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial" was rewriting boxoffice records, it was beaten for best picture by the biopic "Gandhi."

The path that "Hurt Locker" took was anything but standard. After Summit picked up domestic distribution in September 2008, it put the movie on the shelf because its release schedule was crowded. Then Summit opened "Hurt Locker" in the summer as counter programming instead of in the fall, when most serious dramas get a showcase launch.

Summit turned the Oscar campaign strategy over to PR firm 42 West, where veteran campaigner Cynthia Swartz called the shots. Swartz was criticized for waiting until early December to send out the DVDs, even though the whole strategy revolved around getting the movie seen by as many voters as possible.

She also had to get attention from Academy voters and guild members for a movie without any marquee names and a subject that put off many people already weary of a war that never seemed to end.

What Swartz did right was to center the campaign around Bigelow, a woman who directed with as much glory and guts as any man, and to feature writer/producer Mark Boal for his screenplay and real-life story as a journalist who was embedded with a bomb disposal unit in Iraq .

She had bound copies of the "Hurt Locker" script sent to every member of the WGA, earning guild honors for the original screenplay and the same award at the Oscars.

Meanwhile, Fox seemed to downplay awards campaigning, letting Cameron take the lead. And what Cameron wanted to talk about was how frustrated he was that his actors, whose performances were captured by CGI technology, were not taken as seriously as live-action actors.

While his righteousness was sincere, that didn't go over well with many real-life actors who feel threatened by the possibility that they might be replaced by synthetic performers. That backlash might have mattered, because actors are by far the largest bloc of voters in the Academy.

At first, Summit's marketing tried to hide the Iraq war theme of "Hurt Locker," just as "Avatar" tried to sidestep the science-fiction label. In the end, both movies tried to position themselves as important parts of screen history. That worked for "Hurt Locker" but not for "Avatar," which will have to settle for being the biggest-grossing movie, even though it didn't gain the respect that comes with the best picture trophy.
 
I saw The Hurt Locker several months ago.

It is actually quite a good movie, if you enjoy picking apart tricks of cinematography. :) Suspenseful in places, violent in others.
If you don't care that I spoil the ending, the main character is so addicted to his job (defusing bombs), and to war, that he actually chooses to go back to what is portrayed in the movie as Iraq rather than staying and looking after his wife and young son.
It is rather shocking and shows how twisted the minds of soldiers can become.

For some reason the film only got rather limited release -- it is only just coming out in Australia, for instance, whereas other films usually are out worldwide within a month or so.
 
I liked it a lot. It's true, the movie is painted as a realistic description of the inner workings of American military "bomb squad" that searches for IEDs, and in particular, the main bomb diffuser. Their is some controversy about how realistic it actually is. In the John Pilger article above, he only really devotes 3 sentences to the film:

Her film offers a vicarious thrill via yet another standard-issue psychopath high on violence in somebody else’s country where the deaths of a million people are consigned to cinematic oblivion. The hype around Bigelow is that she may be the first female director to win an Oscar. How insulting that a woman is celebrated for a typically violent all-male war movie.

This just sounds like a combination of buzzwords and a broad swipe. I would say that if the director were trying to show what it was like to fight in a "war" against an opponent that looks no different than a civilian, she does a great job. I agree with Devar, it's shocking to see how the mind of a soldier is affected and addicted to his circumstances. All of the men in the bomb squad are greatly affected by their milieu. To me, this movie is a study in the affects of war on the mind of man. Those who are close to having psychopathic inclinations are be addicted to it, and those who are more humane will suffer. I thought that made it much different than a "typically violent all-male war movie".
 
I wrote a variation on this in my Intolerable Cruelty SOTT piece:

I didn't know what to expect from The Hurt Locker. The rave reviews and hype suggested it was just propaganda for the war ("Yeah, war is horrible, but..."), but I wanted to see for myself. I was actually quite surprised. Yes, it's got some propaganda elements. The horrors of the war in Iraq are understated in the film. Where's Blackwater? Where is the random murder and rape of civilians and children? Lacuna like these aside, the film is interesting. (Spoiler warning!)

The Hurt Locker follows the operations of an elite U.S. army bomb squad as they handle IEDs, car bombs, "body bombs", and investigate the scenes of exploded materials. Its fairly realistic look and narrative is probably because it was written and produced by Mark Boal, who spent time embedded with a real bomb squad in Iraq.

The script reveals only what the characters see and experience and for those who are paying attention, the absence of any real explanation for the violence throughout the film is telling. Bombs are discovered, but never their creators. Stashes are found, but never their owners. A young boy is found murdered, a bomb sewn into his abdomen. In fact, except for a sole sniper and his companions, the so-called "enemy" is never seen, only assumed to be real. This is understandable, given the fact that armed resistance is a given in any occupied territory. In fact, the only villains seen in the film are the occupiers, like the commander who suggestively orders the murder of an Iraqi man with a survivable wound, or the British (SAS?) bounty hunters dressed in Arab clothing whom the main characters encounter in the desert.

The noticeable absence of any real "terrorist network" is particularly evident in two scenes. In the first, the bomb squad is called to investigate a suicide bombing in the Green Zone. The team Sergeant is the only one to point out that it was probably a remote detonation, not an actual suicide bombing. How many remote bombings, committed by persons unknown, are written off as "suicide bombings" without any real investigation? In the second scene, some soldiers encounter a "suicide bomber" with a bomb vest. While the majority of the near-hysterical soldiers want to shoot the man on site, it's revealed that he was forced against his will, by parties unknown, to wear the vest and approach the soldiers. He was coerced, again by persons unknown.

In fact, while the film doesn't reveal it, the truth is that the vast majority, if not all, of the "suicide bombings" in Iraq are orchestrated and engineered by U.S., U.K., and Israeli intelligence to give the illusion of a real enemy, thus justifying an extended occupation and a profitable War Without End against a fabled enemy. The thought patterns concerning the war in Iraq, whether of the soldiers themselves or the American and world public, are built on the false premise that there is an enemy. We naturally "fill in the blanks", but only after the key pieces of data have been provided to complete our collective substitution of data. As a result, the absence of a real enemy isn't noticed. It's straight out of Nineteen Eighty Four. (Haven't read it? Do so, and learn a lesson from Emmanuel Goldstein.)

For those readers used to being fed on the unwholesome chaff of the mainstream media rags, these statements may come as a shock. Scoffs of disbelief and the occasional outburst of "Ridiculous!" accompanied by frantic gesticulations are to be expected. But in a society where entire professions rely on people deliberately manipulating the truth in order to "win" an argument, where policing serves politics and quotas, not care and protection of citizens, where military personnel protect "national interests" and not national safety, and where people are so used to lying that it is considered normal and perfectly acceptable, is such a reality really so hard to believe?

When we consider some facts that, taken separately, are relatively easy to believe, the situation becomes clearer. Psychopaths thrive in corporations and politics (witness Madoff and Blagojevich), and the violent ones are considered the worst of the worst criminals (most serial killers are psychopaths). And with unlimited black budgets, cannon fodder soldiers, crafty intelligence agencies with generations of experience in making murder look like an accident, political psychopaths (check out Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes), simply by virtue of the scope of their influence, are potentially the most dangerous. While The Hurt Locker doesn't go there, the fact that it leaves the interpretation to the viewer is a relief. There's too much terrorism propaganda coming out of Hollywood these days.
 
Puck said:
Hmm and here I thought it was blind propaganda... thanks for the input guys.

Yes that's what I thought too. Thank you for laying out good points & bad points of the movie AI.

I know there will be propaganda in movies- what Hollywood movie doesn't have it? :huh:
But it's nice to know this movie has some non-propaganda elements in it.
 
Deedlet said:
Puck said:
Hmm and here I thought it was blind propaganda... thanks for the input guys.

Yes that's what I thought too. Thank you for laying out good points & bad points of the movie AI.

I know there will be propaganda in movies- what Hollywood movie doesn't have it? :huh:
But it's nice to know this movie has some non-propaganda elements in it.

I think we can just assume that all major Hollywood movies are going to be propaganda pieces in some way. Some have less, some have more, all can be watched, as long as we know what we are watching!
 
Perceval said:
I think we can just assume that all major Hollywood movies are going to be propaganda pieces in some way. Some have less, some have more, all can be watched, as long as we know what we are watching!

The problem is that imo most people take movies like this to be a true representation or maybe just dramatized somewhat.

edit:spelling
 
May be this film has not much propaganda elements (as we used to see) but the thing is it does not give any message either that USA army has invaded Iraq and all those suicide bombers, killings etc. are the results of this. So I don't see any positive side of this movie including the Oscar acceptance speech from the director :

And I'd like to dedicate this to the women and men in the military who risk their lives on a daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan and around the world and may they come home safe.

So what about more than 1 million dead Iraqis Ms. Bigelow ?
 
un chien anadolu said:
And I'd like to dedicate this to the women and men in the military who risk their lives on a daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan and around the world and may they come home safe.

So what about more than 1 million dead Iraqis Ms. Bigelow ?

Exactly. This quote from the director support my first thoughts when I saw the trailer. Although I have not seen the movie itself, the way they raised him and his wishes to return to the war to glory was pure propaganda imo.
 
Nook said:
Although I have not seen the movie itself, the way they raised him and his wishes to return to the war to glory was pure propaganda imo.

I feel the same way about the TV shows NCIS and NCIS Los Angeles. The hype about terrorists, Iraq, and Afghanistan gets very hard to stomach at times. In fact, I turned off NCIS LA because the propaganda was so sickening and haven't watched it since. The original NCIS isn't nearly as bad in that way, but the theme is always an undercurrent in my mind.
 
I saw Hurt Locker recently and, while it was well shot, found it to be a fairly average film. In my opinion, Green Zone (Matt Damon) was much better. The film is credited as having been inspired by the non-fiction book, Imperial Life in the Emerald City by journalist Rajiv Chandrasekaran.The film starts out as what I figured to be your standard "terrorists are real" plot, but things quickly get interesting.

During the U.S.-led occupation of Baghdad in 2003, Chief Warrant Officer Roy Miller (Damon) and his team of Army inspectors were dispatched to find weapons of mass destruction believed to be stockpiled in the Iraqi desert. Rocketing from one booby-trapped and treacherous site to the next, the men search for deadly chemical agents but stumble instead upon an elaborate cover-up that inverts the purpose of their mission.

Spun by operatives with intersecting agendas, Miller must hunt through covert and faulty intelligence hidden on foreign soil for answers that will either clear a rogue regime or escalate a war in an unstable region. And at this blistering time and in this combustible place, he will find the most elusive weapon of all is the truth.

It's a little less propaganda-ish because instead of actual terrorists, we have a leftover Iraqi General and his remaining soldiers who are resisting against the occupation. As already mentioned in this thread, you take these movies with a grain of salt, but I quite enjoyed this.

Trailer:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSX7LaFtwIU
 

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